WOW. Roy's a bitch?

[OSUBlazerfan]

I don't think LMA has it either. I think Oden does though. There are times when he is on the floor, that he completely takes over the game and set's an impressive tone.

Defensively, I agree. But we disagree on the offensive part, which is fine.

 

[hasoos]

How? He certainly hasn't made Aldridge any better, and Oden's improvements have mostly come from within. Blake has also been the one getting the ball to Oden the most, not Miller.

Actually the guy that gets our bigs involved the most IMO is Rudy. Not any of the PG. Second most is Roy.

 

[B-Roy]

Are you serious? Because their PER's are not better or why do you feel this way?

If you WATCH the games, you can tell that Miller knows how to get everyone involved and CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A FRIKEN ENTRY PASS!!! unlike others on the team.

Plus i think its to early to tell how much he can really help, but i guess he might never get the chance... too bad

No he doesn't. I have been watching the games and it's obvious that Miller doesn't know where to hit players in their sweet spots. I supposed that's partially because Blake has known the team longer, but even still.

Miller, never looks for Aldridge on the pick and pop, unlike Blake. His entry passes are pretty overrated. I haven't really seen many bad ones from Blake that would warrant "OMG ONLY MILLER CAN MAEK AN ENTREEE PASSE".

Also, if you look on 82games, Oden and Aldridge's best 5 man units all include Blake. In Oden's case, his 4 best units all include Blake and not Miller.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

No he doesn't. I have been watching the games and it's obvious that Miller doesn't know where to hit players in their sweet spots. I supposed that's partially because Blake has known the team longer, but even still.

Miller, never looks for Aldridge on the pick and pop, unlike Blake. His entry passes are pretty overrated. I haven't really seen many bad ones from Blake that would warrant "OMG ONLY MILLER CAN MAEK AN ENTREEE PASSE".

Also, if you look on 82games, Oden and Aldridge's best 5 man units all include Blake. In Oden's case, his 4 best units all include Blake and not Miller.

Yet Blakes PER < 10

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

No he doesn't. I have been watching the games and it's obvious that Miller doesn't know where to hit players in their sweet spots. I supposed that's partially because Blake has known the team longer, but even still.

Miller, never looks for Aldridge on the pick and pop, unlike Blake. His entry passes are pretty overrated. I haven't really seen many bad ones from Blake that would warrant "OMG ONLY MILLER CAN MAEK AN ENTREEE PASSE".

Also, if you look on 82games, Oden and Aldridge's best 5 man units all include Blake. In Oden's case, his 4 best units all include Blake and not Miller.

Anyways regardless, This is my opinion, and you have yours.

 

[B-Roy]

Actually the guy that gets our bigs involved the most IMO is Rudy. Not any of the PG. Second most is Roy.

I would actually agree with that.

Rudy, Blake, then Roy.

 

[B-Roy]

Yet Blakes PER < 10

It's actually 10.5, thank you very much, although that has more to do with his own struggling offense. PER measures individual offense btw, not how much better he's making his teammates.

 

[Pontius]

(sigh) And all of those players have one time or another said those "career years" had everything to do with Roy making them better. You must play fantasy basketball. You have no clue about the things that don't end up in the stats sheets.

No, I watch plenty of basketball and I have played plenty of basketball. I am not one to spend ANY time looking up stats, not that they aren't useful. Miller, Batum, Rudy, and Greg have the most team oriented playing styles on offense. They know how to pass. Any good coach will tell you that passing is the quickest way up the court as well as the quickest way to an open shot. Moving without the ball is how you get open within this team system. And the team tends to score a lot when this system is run to perfection(lots of assists).

Webster, for all his inconsistencies, is as close to fitting into that first group than is Roy because he moves well without the ball and understand when to pass. Blake isn't selfish, he just can't pass to save his life and does nothing but camp at the three point line. Roy doesn't move well without the ball and he doesn't create as much offense for others as he should for how much he actually handles the ball. He does pass very well for the most part. Pryzbilla is a decent outlet man and is decent at finding the cutter, but for obvious reasons does not fit among the first group. Aldridge runs up and down the court very well and sometimes makes the brilliant pass and for all intents and purposes, he should probably be within that first group.

Bayless hasn't played enough for me to comment on him. I don't think he's been given enough of a role to provide the doubters any relevant substance.

Outlaw is lost on offense. Enough said. He is almost completely one on one. He rarely makes an offensive play that leads to a teammate's score and rarely does he cut towards the basket to receive a pass for an easy score.

Howard and Dante don't really matter much right now. I don't feel like posting in this thread anymore. Have a good day.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

It's actually 10.5, thank you very much, although that has more to do with his own struggling offense. PER measures individual offense btw, not how much better he's making his teammates.

Right so offensively he is not heloing so that kind of nullifies the "82games.com" thing that some like to reference because Blake averages the THIRD most assist on the team

 

[B-Roy]

Right so offensively he is not heloing so that kind of nullifies the "82games.com" thing that some like to reference because Blake averages the THIRD most assist on the team

Offensively means his own bad shooting.

And you can take the 5-man unit thing anyway you like, but the facts are all there. Despite averaging the third most assists on the team, he manages to make the bigs play better than they do with Andre.

Take it how you will.

 

[Pontius]

Nice dodge. Fact is Roy is our best player, made the all-stars two year in a row, rookie of the year. Ivy league graduates won't cut it, since they aren't the best players in the game. I rate Roy as one of the top 10 players currently (could be argued). So your "sarcasm" was weak. Nice try though.

Did you read this part that I wrote? I believe it was you who dodged my point with your response.


Outlaw, Webster, Przybilla, Blake, and Jack all preceded Roy and are all just as classy. Same thing can be said about Aldridge, Rudy, Batum, Oden. Why are you giving Roy ALL the credit for the makeover of the franchise? Yes, he's the face. But he's nothing without his teammates. He's a first round loser at best right now, so why the cumstains all over his pictures?

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Offensively means his own bad shooting.

And you can take the 5-man unit thing anyway you like, but the facts are all there. Despite averaging the third most assists on the team, he manages to make the bigs play better than they do with Andre.

Take it how you will.

Alright man. Im not gonna argue with you who is better for this team, Blake or Miller. The post was about Roy.

So, thats all i have to say on this issue

 

[BenDavis503]

Opinions? Those are facts

I can see where arguing with you will go. I'll pass.

 

[Natebishop3]

Did Jordan have to change his game to accommodate players, or did they adjust to him?

Kobe?

Wade?

LeBron?

Roy is our King and we need to treat him that way.

Jordan? Yes. Jordan was always changing his game. Jordan could score 60+ and his team would lose. He learned that he had to get his teammates involved if he wanted to win championships. He became a 1st team defensive player. He developed a post up game. Hell yes he changed his game. Jordan was never happy with his game.

Wade? Too soon to tell. He's still young, and he's only won one title. When he wins without Shaq, I will tell you what I think.

LeBron? What has he won? No rings yet home boy. He might be one of the best players of all-time, but until he wins a ring, he will be on the same list as Barkley, Ewing, Stockton, and Malone.

I think we're getting ahead of ourselves by comparing Roy to Michael Jordan and LeBron James. Don't you?

 

[BenDavis503]

Jordan? Yes. Jordan was always changing his game. Jordan could score 60+ and his team would lose. He learned that he had to get his teammates involved if he wanted to win championships. He became a 1st team defensive player. He developed a post up game. Hell yes he changed his game. Jordan was never happy with his game.

Wade? Too soon to tell. He's still young, and he's only won one title. When he wins without Shaq, I will tell you what I think.

LeBron? What has he won? No rings yet home boy. He might be one of the best players of all-time, but until he wins a ring, he will be on the same list as Barkley, Ewing, Stockton, and Malone.

I think we're getting ahead of ourselves by comparing Roy to Michael Jordan and LeBron James. Don't you?

I am most def, not your home boy.

 

[southnc]

This IS Roy's team - not Miller's!

Since Roy is THE MAN, he probably feels obligated to make sure management knows what allows him to perform optimally. Other super stars (Kobe, Wade, CP3) also make their opinions known.

If a super star has in issue with someone, whether it be their manner of play or how bad they smell, that person is gone. Is it fair? who cares. Professional sports is not fantasy sports. If you believe that assembling the best team is simply putting the best statistical PG, SG, SF, PF, and C together, then you have no sense of reality. It simply doesn't work that way. But, I'm sure it does on PlayStation.

Finally, Blake is not as bad as this forum likes to believe. If he was, they could have easily replaced him before. He also started for the Denver Nuggets that got to the playoffs and lost to eventual champ Spurs. And, if that is not incredible enough, he DID get along with AI.

 

[LittleAlex]

I've only stated that Roy is not solely responsible for the Blazers' turnaround as your OP would seem to suggest. And you cannot convince me that a team with Roy and a bunch of scrubs would sniff the playoffs.

And if you are going to heap so much responsibility onto Roy, then what do you make of his first round exit? Sure, he played like a star on offense. How did that work out?

No, Roy and a bunch of stiffs wouldn't get into the playoffs.

However I don't see this as much of a knock on Roy.

The only players in the NBA who can pull a collection of garbage into the playoffs are named LeBron, Kobe and Wade.

There is no shame in not being at that level. Roy isn't right now and will probably never be.

But the teams turn around isn't just based on winning. Fans started coming back during the season they won 30 some games. They started coming back due to a massive "We changed the culture of the team" blitz that centered on B-Roy.

That couldn't have been comfortable or easy to deal with. Roy handled it with more class then I could have possibly hoped for.

Roy is very honest with his opinions when he is asked a question. And he gets killed for it.

Would you rather Roy just utter the typical athlete speak? If he never got quoted with his opinion would you be happier with him?

I am glad Roy is so up front with what he feels is needed by the team. Having opinions typically entails someone not agreeing with you. Roy has an opinion. Apparently a large number of people including some in the media don't agree.

Like it or not Roy is the man on this team right now and for the next 6 years. If you can't stand the guy or think he is arrogant you are in for a very long half a decade.


One last thing to keep in mind; these quotes are taken from a story by Jason Quick in the Oregonian. How do you know he actually said what was printed? Reporters tend to take liberties with such things. Changing a few words could have a dramatic effect on tone.

Perhaps he said some other stuff along with those quotes that make them more reasonable. Who can say?

I for one have felt for some time Quick was a tool with an agenda. Jaynes used to do this same shit back in the day.

Until I see a video interview with Roy saying the above, as far as I am concerned there is only a 50/50 chance he actually said exactly that.