WTF? Hawes to Clips for 4 yrs/23 mil?

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TBpup said:
So it looks like Neil went after his Plan B quickly which I respect. It does concern me that Portland can't get what most would consider a higher quality FA for the same price. Cap space is only useful if you can get players to come. Who is the last quality FA to come here?

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Like someone else said above, we had to go up against the clips who have a better roster and better weather... SO we really have to hope that no other teams really want him like a LA or NY... that's what makes it difficult... not that Neil and co. suck like some try to spew all the time.
 
magnifier661 said:
Cat out of the bag? What cat? I've been partying so I'm not up to speed
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We offered the same years and money. There were some people who were insistent that Neil was terrible and that he can't get them to come and how did Hawes go so cheap yadda-yadda-yadda. Crow has been eaten.
 
Strenuus said:
We offered the same years and money. There were some people who were insistent that Neil was terrible and that he can't get them to come and how did Hawes go so cheap yadda-yadda-yadda. Crow has been eaten.
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Ahhhhh I see said the blind man to his deaf son
 
You guys are taking this too personal. Doc did a better job selling him how close they are. I doubt the cities were the main difference.
 
What would be awesome is kaman outperforming Hawes next season. Maybe sweeping the clips in the second round too!
 
Slightly more depressing is that they met with Channing Frye and he was "out of their price range".
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Keep in mind both offered more money than the MLE. Not much more but still more. In the clippers case 2 million more. Phoenix.......we are not sure what they offered with their cap space.
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MLE is 5.305 plus 4.5% raises so they signed him for exactly the MLE.
 
We offered Hawes 4 years? I thought that all FAs signed by Olshey would expire when Aldridge does.
 
Melo, LeBron, Love, Bosh and Gasol have got the NBA in free agent limbo. Once these guys make decisions it'll be like a KMart blue light special with 4 teams desperately trying to dump salary as quickly as possible.
 
Lopez was good last year, so Center is not a pressing need. So why did Olshey panic when he lost Hawes? Why not wait a couple weeks for the bargains? Just sign the best player available, not necessarily a center.
 
jlprk said:
Lopez was good last year, so Center is not a pressing need. So why did Olshey panic when he lost Hawes? Why not wait a couple weeks for the bargains? Just sign the best player available, not necessarily a center.
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Maybe because LeBron doesn't want to play in the West? The good thing is we did the politically correct thing by having a Brit, a Frenchman, a Spaniard and a German on the team.
 
But the word was that Hawes was "very interested" in Portland. What happened?
 
But by the way, Hawes isn't God. He's fine. And Kaman is pretty decent.
 
KingSpeed said:
But the word was that Hawes was "very interested" in Portland. What happened?
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That billionaire from Seattle buying the Clippers goes back to his college playing days and I'm sure has a lot of incentives for Hawes to chomp on
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Slightly more depressing is that they met with Channing Frye and he was "out of their price range".
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Big men who can shoot are all the rage now, just as low-post threats were the in thing a decade ago.

Poor 'Sheed just came along at the wrong time. Well, kinda. He still won a championship and ended up getting the plaudits. But when he kept shooting the ball from range instead of parking in the post, it turns out he was ahead of his time!
 
Minstrel said:
Big men who can shoot are all the rage now, just as low-post threats were the in thing a decade ago.

Poor 'Sheed just came along at the wrong time. Well, kinda. He still won a championship and ended up getting the plaudits. But when he kept shooting the ball from range instead of parking in the post, it turns out he was ahead of his time!
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Hear hear! Don't let sinobas read this though. He will give you a nerd sheet of facts that say how ineffective it is.
 
How did the Blazers get Matthews?
 
magnifier661 said:
Hear hear! Don't let sinobas read this though. He will give you a nerd sheet of facts that say how ineffective it is.
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Well, stretch 4s and 5s are part of the "efficiency revolution." I'm talking about big men who can shoot three-pointers. When NBA types say that "shots in the paint" are efficient, they generally don't mean low-post opportunities, more driving to the hoop, backdoor cuts, etc.

But very few GMs take that to the extreme. If you have an elite midrange shooter, almost any NBA team will have him shoot midrange jumpers...because that's efficient for him. Even Daryl Morrey, the poster boy for NBA efficiency theory, has said that.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Yeah, but I think that only strengthens the argument that the Blazers have to overpay to nab a free agent.
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You really think? The contract was a MLE contract. Are you saying Hawes is a better player than Matthews?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah, but I think that only strengthens the argument that the Blazers have to overpay to nab a free agent.
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Seemed like an overpay at the time. These days, he'd command a lot more. Three-and-D guys are the new hotness along with stretch bigs. It's why Klay Thompson is being mentioned in the same breath as Kevin Love.
 
magnifier661 said:
You really think? The contract was a MLE contract. Are you saying Hawes is a better player than Matthews?
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He isn't worth an MLE contract now. He's worth probably in the 8 million range, but when we signed him he was an undrafted free agent coming off his rookie season. I remember a lot of Blazer fans had no idea who he was, and a lot of people thought it was an overpay.
 
At the time we did overpay. He showed flashes but even Utah thought a full MLE was too much. It was one of the few gambles that actually worked out.

His stats with Utah:

9.4 PPG | 38 3PT% | 24.7 MPG | 12.3 PER |
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Yeah, but I think that only strengthens the argument that the Blazers have to overpay to nab a free agent.
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But isn't every pro athlete, entertainer, etc grossly overpaid? These guys get what the market dictates and sure, old guys at the end of their careers play for a fraction of there usual salaries to get a ring, doesn't always work. Given the market, Wes was a steal and turned out to be part of what I see as a success story in modern Blazer lore. Bottom line is and always has been, it's Paul Allen's money and he can spend it however he sees fit I'd say major markets have suffered more for overpaying...Knicks for example and they are not contenders
 
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