WTF is Collins?

[kjironman1]

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I mostly agree - but Ed and Vonleh are equal in my book. One should be kept and the other traded. Keep the one that will be cheapest. All things equal, I'd probably keep Noah over Ed because he can actually hit a shot outside of 3 feet of the hoop...he just needs to learn how to make the ones INSIDE 3 feet!

I'm just not seeing Vonleh do anything as well as Ed Davis other than hit an outside shot on occasion. Noah has the tools but just doesn't have that motor or drive. My pick would be Ed at this point.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Collins actually reminds me to LMA and Durant. Coming out of Texas where the
coach didn't use a weight program, they played small when they came into the
league. Durant's rookie year was spent playing SG. Durant isn't an SG.

In a related story, PJ Carlesimo is no longer an NBA coach.

 

[dviss1]

In a related story, PJ Carlesimo is no longer an NBA coach.

Didn't that happen back in the 12-13' season?

I'd say it's because he choked.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Didn't that happen back in the 12-13' season?

I'd say it's because he choked.

TBH, I'd totally forgotten that he'd been an interim coach. The Sonics gig was his last real one.

 

[blue9]

I'm just not seeing Vonleh do anything as well as Ed Davis other than hit an outside shot on occasion. Noah has the tools but just doesn't have that motor or drive. My pick would be Ed at this point.

No, he doesn't have Ed's motor. No disputing that. But last season, and for a few brief moments this season, his defense was every bit as good as Ed's...and better on the perimeter. Really, the only defining differences are:

Ed: Motor
Noah: Jumper

It'd be nice if one player had both qualities, but then we wouldn't be discussing which one to keep! Well, I guess there is one player who has both qualities - Zach!

 

[dviss1]

No, he doesn't have Ed's motor. No disputing that. But last season, and for a few brief moments this season, his defense was every bit as good as Ed's...and better on the perimeter. Really, the only defining differences are:

Ed: Motor
Noah: Jumper

It'd be nice if one player had both qualities, but then we wouldn't be discussing which one to keep! Well, I guess there is one player who has both qualities - Zach!

IMHO Ed doesn't need a jumper. Not sure why we want him to do anything other than what he does.

 

[blue9]

IMHO Ed doesn't need a jumper. Not sure why we want him to do anything other than what he does.

We DON'T want him to do anything he can't! That's largely the best thing about Ed - he knows his limitations. But he'd be a MUCH better player if he could stick a 10' jumper - if he could do that, then he'd deserve the Haslem comparison!

 

[kjironman1]

We DON'T want him to do anything he can't! That's largely the best thing about Ed - he knows his limitations. But he'd be a MUCH better player if he could stick a 10' jumper - if he could do that, then he'd deserve the Haslem comparison!

Heck i'd be happy with a 5-6 foot hook shot or 7-8 quick turnaround type jumper. But he does good things as it is. Hustles every play. Just can't say much bad about the guy that works that hard every game.

 

[dviss1]

To answer the thread title:

He's a tall white guy who has a complete understanding of the principle of verticality.

 

[Boob-No-More]

To answer the thread title:

He's a tall white guy who has a complete understanding of the principle of verticality.

Exactly. Whether you call him a center, or a power forward doesn't really matter. The game has changed. The NBA announced back in 2012 that the center position was being eliminated from the all star ballot:

"The league will announce Wednesday a change to its All-Star ballot that will, for the first time, allow fans to vote for three undefined "frontcourt" players instead of having to vote for two forwards and a center. With more and more teams playing smaller than in the past, the definition of "center" was becoming increasingly difficult..."

So, he can be a small ball center or a stretch 4, depending on the situation. This versatility, on both ends of they floor will make Collins work well with a variety of other front court players. He reminds me of Al Horford in this way. Horford has been a total chameleon of a player his entire career. Depending on who else is on the floor with him, he moves seamlessly between the 4 and 5 spots and is very effective at both.

BNM

 

[Schilly]

I don't think Ed will be in a Blazers uniform to start next season, he will either be traded between now and next Thursday or he will not be re-signed because of sallary issues.

 

[Minstrel]

We DON'T want him to do anything he can't! That's largely the best thing about Ed - he knows his limitations. But he'd be a MUCH better player if he could stick a 10' jumper - if he could do that, then he'd deserve the Haslem comparison!

He's a pick-and-roll rim runner. Even if he could stick 10' jumpers, that isn't what I'd want him doing. 10' jumpers don't create a ton of spacing. Rim runners can create a type of space, drawing defenses in to the hoop area.