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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 19 2007, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Overrated? Its fake, hes supposed to win. Haha.
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Let me get this straight though, everyone boo's the guy because he is overrated? I'm sure the Fans would cheer on Edge, and Edge is the guy that tells the fans there morons, well I agree with him.</div>Overrated in the sense that he can't actually wrestle worth a crap. Edge is a much better wrestler than he is, and Cena doesn't know how to sell anything. One minute he's acting like he broke his leg, and then five seconds later he's running around like a retard.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LAZY @ Jun 19 2007, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>calling them Ace and Kojak</div>I don't know, I kinda laughed at it...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Overrated in the sense that he can't actually wrestle worth a crap. Edge is a much better wrestler than he is, and Cena doesn't know how to sell anything. One minute he's acting like he broke his leg, and then five seconds later he's running around like a retard.</div>Because it's FAKE! Everyone does it. Not just Cena, every wrestling show does this. TNA, WWE, whatever. They all do it. One minutes you're hit with a chair and you fall down and act like you're knocked out. 5 seconds later you get right back up and act like you're superman.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 19 2007, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know, I kinda laughed at it...
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Because it's FAKE! Everyone does it. Not just Cena, every wrestling show does this. TNA, WWE, whatever. They all do it. One minutes you're hit with a chair and you fall down and act like you're knocked out. 5 seconds later you get right back up and act like you're superman.</div>Yeah but he maes it so obvious that it is fake. HBK, Triple H, Edge are all good performers because they dont make THAT obvious.
 
I hope people realize that its not all fake. there are alot of things that are unscripted and are real. alot of people forget that Mick Foley almost died multiple times.
 
Cavsrules is just a mark. Kojak has been portrayed by Telly Savalas and Ving Rhames. Booka resembles neither. And Orton as Ace Ventura? That's like equivalent to throwing sh*t on the wall, and seeing if it sticks.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Because it's FAKE! Everyone does it. Not just Cena, every wrestling show does this. TNA, WWE, whatever. They all do it. One minutes you're hit with a chair and you fall down and act like you're knocked out. 5 seconds later you get right back up and act like you're superman</div>I agree, there are others who do it as well. Like Batista, Johnny Nitro, Khali, they can't sell. But there are also others who do sell and put an effort into making wrestling innovative. That's the difference between Cena and say Chris Benoit.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 19 2007, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know, I kinda laughed at it...
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Because it's FAKE! Everyone does it. Not just Cena, every wrestling show does this. TNA, WWE, whatever. They all do it. One minutes you're hit with a chair and you fall down and act like you're knocked out. 5 seconds later you get right back up and act like you're superman.</div>It's called selling... watch HBK, Edge, HHH, etc., and you'll see a huge difference. Those guys can sell and can actually wrestle. Cena can't, at least not on their level (but Vince and the WWE seem to think otherwise).
 
Cena's problem is that he's so vanilla. He has no defined character. Is he supposed to be a street thug rapper? Is he supposed to be the new Rock? Basically the guy can't pull either act off convincingly, and that's why so many people hate him despite his ability to have excellent main events and for the most part fairly entertaining promos.
 
I've watched WWE[F] since I was 6-years old. I've seen it all. I've seen fake, non-fake and whatever you have. I've seen it. I've seen people doing it worser than John at "selling" it, and they've done alright throughout their careers in WWE. You're points are all good ones of why you dislike Cena, but hes still pretty good IMO. Guess it's just me, but whatever.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 19 2007, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I've watched WWE[F] since I was 6-years old. I've seen it all. I've seen fake, non-fake and whatever you have. I've seen it. I've seen people doing it worser than John at "selling" it, and they've done alright throughout their careers in WWE. You're points are all good ones of why you dislike Cena, but hes still pretty good IMO. Guess it's just me, but whatever.</div>I'm not denying that he's good, but is he worthy of getting a better push then everyone since Hulk Hogan?
 
Cena has sex with marines and he's has a really ugly haircut and get this, he can't actually wrestle very good, yes he can be in a WWE ring and wrestling but as a main eventer, um no, mabye the WWE made a mistake by letting him in a main event once upon a time and everyone seemed to like it so they went along with it and forgot that he actually sucks ass at wrestling in a way that's traditional and exciting to watch.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>WNO June 19McMahon Furious At Top Star, Update On His "Death"Paul London received a tongue lashing backstage after RAW went off the air for laughing during the Vince McMahon segment where he walked to his death. Vince was furious when he saw the tape of RAW and noticed that London was smiling.Speaking of the Vince/death storyline, Mr. McMahon has been working hard to keep himself in hiding so nobody snaps a picture of him while he is supposed to be "dead".</div>ahaha
 
I don't get why they keep making up these ridiculous stories... Vince is actually dead, that's why he is "hiding" (he is hiding underground). Paul London was laughing because the show was funny. He didn't know Vince was going to be... murdered. :no1:
 
I think the key reason why Sting choose TNA over WWE in there last contract talks was because of what WWE did with DDP. DDP was a Household name when he was in WCW at it's best. He was a former World Champion and has a huge fan base but when he went over to WWE they turned him into a Mid Carder with a stupid gimmick. DDP is just as big a name in the Pro Wrestling Industry so I think Sting made the right move. Anyone agree?
 
I think the key reason why Sting choose TNA over WWE in there last contract talks was because of what WWE did with DDP. DDP was a Household name when he was in WCW at it's best. He was a former World Champion and has a huge fan base but when he went over to WWE they turned him into a Mid Carder with a stupid gimmick. DDP is just as big a name in the Pro Wrestling Industry so I think Sting made the right move. Anyone agree?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dagameplayer @ Jun 20 2007, 05:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think the key reason why Sting choose TNA over WWE in there last contract talks was because of what WWE did with DDP. DDP was a Household name when he was in WCW at it's best. He was a former World Champion and has a huge fan base but when he went over to WWE they turned him into a Mid Carder with a stupid gimmick. DDP is just as big a name in the Pro Wrestling Industry so I think Sting made the right move. Anyone agree?</div>Agreed. And Vince only did that because he hated everything about WCW. He did that to pretty much every WCW wrestler that came to WWE, except for a few like Rey Mysteriol
 
Vince has ego issues. When someone is main event status he wants to be the guy known as creating that star so when someone comes along and is already seen as a main eventer with the things he has done elsewhere Vince just throws him into mid card pile (Chris Benoit, Booker T, Eddie Guerrero, DDP, basically everyone from ECW). The only guy I can really think of who was brought in as a top star and Vince kept him that way was Goldberg of all people
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. Though at the same time he has taken guys who were realtively unknown and turned them into stars (Stone Cold, Triple H)
 
The one I hear about Sting not going to WWE is because of his Christian beliefs. He doesn't like the way WWE gears their programming. But Yeah I think if anyone were to show how WCW wrestlers were treated in the WWE, look at nobody but Goldberg. And I laughed all the way through.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jun 20 2007, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The one I hear about Sting not going to WWE is because of his Christian beliefs. He doesn't like the way WWE gears their programming. But Yeah I think if anyone were to show how WCW wrestlers were treated in the WWE, look at nobody but Goldberg. And I laughed all the way through.</div>He claimed in his TNA DVD that Vince never respected the WCW talent, and that's why he made the decision to never work there.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jun 19 2007, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Most likely no one if you believe Vince can keep himself out of public's view to sell the angle. This needs to be dropped as fast as that Eddie storyline should have been. Not everyone does. The ones who do don't think he's deserving of the main event spot. His mic skills aren't really that good anymore(calling Orton and Booka Ace Ventura and Kojak was not funny, neither look like the counterpart). And his wrestling leaves a lot to be desired.</div>What eddie storyline? Eddie Guerrero isnt really dead? I dont follow wwe much so im not sure what you're talking about.
 
^^ He really is dead it was over the news like 2 years ago.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iFR3SHi @ Jun 21 2007, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^^ He really is dead it was over the news like 2 years ago.</div>What ''eddie storyline '' is rok talking about then?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 21 2007, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What ''eddie storyline '' is rok talking about then?</div>I'm guessing that the eddie storyline in mention was how WWE tried to market Eddie's death by givng Rey Mysterio the biggest push he had ever gotten. For about a year, Rey Mysterio would dedicate all of his matches to "honor" Eddie. Also you would see the heels (Triple H, Randy Orton) make remarks about Eddie to gain heat from the crowd. Then you have the Chavo vs Rey fued which was entirely about Eddie.If it wasn't for Guerrero's death they would never have had Rey win the royal rumble or the world heavyweight championship.Edit: I completely forgot about little Dominac or whatever his name was. man what a worthless storyline
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 21 2007, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What ''eddie storyline '' is rok talking about then?</div>I think he's referring to the one with Rey Mysterio... basically it was Eddie trying to mess with Rey and his son. It just made Eddie look creepy and it was a strange angle. Maybe Rok can elaborate more on this if he wants to.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What eddie storyline? Eddie Guerrero isnt really dead? I dont follow wwe much so im not sure what you're talking about.</div>The Eddie angle they used after his death with Rey Mysterio and Chavo Guerrero and involving his wife Vickie. The fact his wife even did that to me is low. Your husband dies and you're going to carry on a bushwack storyline like that?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jun 21 2007, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Eddie angle they used after his death with Rey Mysterio and Chavo Guerrero and involving his wife Vickie. The fact his wife even did that to me is low. Your husband dies and you're going to carry on a bushwack storyline like that?</div>Ha, yeah. That was pretty bad. Way to beat a dead horse, Vince.lol.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 21 2007, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ha, yeah. That was pretty bad. Way to beat a dead horse, Vince.lol.</div>Anyone remember LWO in the wcw? thats what I remember eddie Guerrero from mostly.
 
Latino World Order? Iv'e heard of them and downloaded a couple matches with them in it, pretty cool they were.and vince mchmonamana is fuckedup, he's just being over creative and in the wrong way, I swear to good I could write shows better than he has ever or his storyline .writters
 
Wait so are u guys saying eddie isnt dead.? I'm pretty sure he is
 
No Eddie really did die. WWE just had this feud Rey vs. Chavo which was very disrespectful towards Eddie, imo
 
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