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totus44 said:
Let all 3 walk. I'd rather add Heathcock to the lineup.
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I'd like to see what Heathcott can do with some playing time.
Good speedy outfielder, quick bat - good athlete.
When he was in the lineup, he was an asset.
Needs to stay healthy.
 
Bingo on Heatccock, speaking of cockroaches the big one has to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
Bingo on Heatccock, speaking of cockroaches the big one has to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And after that, the Yanks need to have a bunch of lousy seasons so they can pile up a few early first round draft picks and "build" a team over 6-7 years like the Royals did.

Hosmer: 1st round, #3, 2008 draft.
Moustakas: 1st round, #2, 2007 draft.
Gordon: 1st round, #2, 2005 draft.
Grienke: 1st round, #6, 2002 draft, turned into Lorenzo Cain and Alcides Escobar.

That's the ticket.
 
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What I want to see is a Yankees return of setting standards instead of a bunch of waana be likes.
 
blgridesagain said:
And after that, the Yanks need to have a bunch of lousy seasons so they can pile up a few early first round draft picks and "build" a team over 6-7 years like the Royals did.

Hosmer: 1st round, #3, 2008 draft.
Moustakas: 1st round, #2, 2007 draft.
Gordon: 1st round, #2, 2005 draft.
Grienke: 1st round, #6, 2002 draft, turned into Lorenzo Cain and Alcides Escobar.

That's the ticket.
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My problem with this is, over the last 15-20 years now the Yankees got away from drafting and scouting properly. With the resources this organization has picking in the top ten like the royals did is unnecessary, there is a wealth of talented young men out there that havent been noticed for any number of reasons. The Yankees have become addicted to the high priced has beens for bandaid fixes the last 15years. thankfully they seem to have realized it isnt working anymore and have started to take a new approach. My point is, they could have easily drafted quality young talent even out of the top 10-15 but they choose otherwise and its proven costly with an aged roster.
 
...^^^ it's apparently always been much simpler for Cashman when he pretty much had a blank checkbook to simply throw money at holes, and blindly give players opt out clauses and no trade clauses, and ultimately over paying and over extending players to lure them to the Yanx. And it is that kind of strategy that has gotten the Yanx into the mess they are now in...too many aging/under performing vets who still clog up roster spots that should be available to some of the youngsters.
...now that Cashman's money supply has been cut off, he finds himself in the position of finally having to use his fucking head for a change...something he is obviously unable to do.

...unless some serious restructuring is done, 2016 will be no better than the last few years.
 
^^^I'm in full agreement on all counts & I also don't see much of an upgrade for the 2016 season. With the exception of a few players (Drew & Crapuano) I basically see the same team that we had this past season.
 
lol...the voices of reason....

I'll take a stab at trying to put things into proper perspective.

I didn't hear too much complaining when these under performing veterans ( CC, Arod, Tex) helped the Yanks win the 2009 WS.
Yes, I agree the Yanks (see Hank regarding the Arod extension) it hasn't worked out extending Arod and CC's opt out situation in 2011.
However, he was 31 at the time - 59-23, ERA 3.18 as a Yankee.
Let's not try and act too smart, okay?


One was partly a business decision (Arod) prior to 2014 based on Arod potentially breaking the all time HR record and in CC's case, yes it was too long a contract especially if the Yanks knew he would need knee (NOT ARM) surgery a couple years down the road.

Did Tex and Arod "under perform" this year as compared to other 1b and DH? Maybe Tex broke his leg because of his age and contract? lol
I don't recall how many had a problem with the McCann contract, help me out on this one....nah, never mind- all of the usual Monday morning QBs had no problem with this signing....
...until 2 more years from now...lmao

CC - yes, he has absolutely "under performed".
Beltran- Yes, I guess you can say he under performed ranking 6th amoung qualified ("everyday") RF in RBI and 5th in OPS.

Gardner- should the Yanks have dumped him after the 2014 season?
Yes? No? Offer him a one or two year deal instead?
In any case, the Yanks should have no problem dealing him away at the deadline in 2016 or sooner....he isn't "clogging up" anything.
I'm sure there will be a team or two who could use a good defensive LF/CF who hits around .260, can steal a few bases and hit a couple of HRs.

Ellsbury did not under perform in his first year as a Yankee and was having a great season in 2015 before he got injured.
Is he overpaid? For too long? Yep, I agree.

And by the way, when Cashman did have to his "fucking head" to fill a couple of holes last offseason, he came through with flying colors with immediate success.
Gregorious for Greene.
Miller instead of Robertson (for less money and a 1st round pick)
Cervelli for Wilson - a very respectable mid reliever AND opened up a spot for John Ryan Murphy.

No doubt it was inexcusable going so long with Drew and CC although CC did show signs of life after the all start break.
Drew is GONE and now Refsnyder is here- Bird is here, Severino is here...Judge could could be here very soon....very soon.

I never said, nor do I think Cashman is a "top" GM known for being shrewd or rebuildin teams...the Yanks had the 4th best record in the THEIR league - and while I am also not satisfied with that, a couple of tweaks and changes can easily put them at the top of the division.

Lets see where Toronto goes from here after their big splash in 2015.
KC finally made it to the top, lets see what kind of staying power they'll have.

Since the Yanks last one their WS, there have been four other franchises winning the WS. Four.

2016 - first place or bust!
 
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blgridesagain said:
lol...the voices of reason....

I'll take a stab at trying to put things into proper perspective.

I didn't hear too much complaining when these under performing veterans ( CC, Arod, Tex) helped the Yanks win the 2009 WS.
Yes, I agree the Yanks (see Hank regarding the Arod extension) it hasn't worked out extending Arod and CC's opt out situation in 2011.
However, he was 31 at the time - 59-23, ERA 3.18 as a Yankee.
Let's not try and act too smart, okay?


One was partly a business decision (Arod) prior to 2014 based on Arod potentially breaking the all time HR record and in CC's case, yes it was too long a contract especially if the Yanks knew he would need knee (NOT ARM) surgery a couple years down the road.

Did Tex and Arod "under perform" this year as compared to other 1b and DH? Maybe Tex broke his leg because of his age and contract? lol
I don't recall how many had a problem with the McCaan contract, help me out on this one....nah, never mind- all of the usual Monday morning QBs had no problem with this signing....
...until 2 more years from now...lmao

CC - yes, he has absolutely "under performed".
Beltran- Yes, I guess you can say he under performed ranking 6th amoung qualified ("everyday") RF in RBI and 5th in OPS.

Gardner- should the Yanks have dumped him after the 2014 season?
Yes? No? Offer him a one or two year deal instead?
In any case, the Yanks should have no problem dealing him away at the deadline in 2016 or sooner....he isn't "clogging up" anything.
I'm sure there will be a team or two who could use a good defensive LF/CF who hits around .260, can steal a few bases and hit a couple of HRs.

Ellsbury did not under perform in his first year as a Yankee and was having a great season in 2015 before he got injured.
Is he overpaid? For too long? Yep, I agree.

And by the way, when Cashman did have to his "fucking head" to fill a couple of holes last offseason, he came through with flying colors with immediate success.
Gregorious for Greene.
Miller instead of Robertson (for less money and a 1st round pick)
Cervelli for Wilson - a very respectable mid reliever AND opened up a spot for John Ryan Murphy.

No doubt it was inexcusable going so long with Drew and CC although CC did show signs of life after the all start break.
Drew is GONE and now Refsnyder is here- Bird is here, Severing is here...Judge could could be here very soon....very soon.

I never said, nor do I think Cashman is a "top" GM known for being shrewd or rebuildin teams...the Yanks had the 4th best record in the THEIR league - and while I am also not satisfied with that, a couple of tweaks and changes can easily put them at the top of the division.

Lets see where Toronto goes from here after their big splash in 2015.
KC finally made it to the top, lets see what kind of staying power they'll have.

Since the Yanks last one their WS, there have been four other franchises winning the WS. Four.

2016 - first place or bust!
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Since most of your posts put many of us to sleep I'll only respond to the opening line that I highlighted since that's the only part I read.

2009 was 6 years ago & they weren't UNDER PERFORMING then so why would anyone complain? Seriously, try putting a little common sense into your posts BEFORE you hit "Post reply".
 
Rick2583 said:
Since most of your posts put many of us to sleep I'll only respond to the opening line that I highlighted since that's the only part I read.

2009 was 6 years ago & they weren't UNDER PERFORMING then so why would anyone complain? Seriously, try putting a little common sense into your posts BEFORE you hit "Post reply".
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I agree, once again you hit the nail on the head with keen insight.
You always seem to be correct and as you wade through all the nonsense which you and some others who are always keenful, correct having a true firm grip on the pulse of the Yankee team and management.

But as I'm begging for forgiveness.....I must ask in all humbleness:
Please read more of my post (#14) which caused you to insult me and made yourself look ignorant and try and summon up enough class and manhood to respond.
Here are some parts of my post (#14) you chose to conveniently ignore.

Yes, I agree the Yanks (see Hank regarding the Arod extension) it hasn't worked out extending Arod and CC's opt out situation in 2011.
However, he was 31 at the time - 59-23, ERA 3.18 as a Yankee.
Let's not try and act too smart, okay?

Did Tex and Arod "under perform" this year as compared to other 1b and DH? Maybe Tex broke his leg because of his age and contract? lol

Ellsbury did not under perform in his first year as a Yankee and was having a great season in 2015 before he got injured.
Is he overpaid? For too long? Yep, I agree.

And by the way, when Cashman did have to use his "fucking head" to fill a couple of holes last offseason, he came through with flying colors with immediate success.
Gregorious for Greene.
Miller instead of Robertson (for less money and a 1st round pick)
Cervelli for Wilson - a very respectable mid reliever AND opened up a spot for John Ryan Murphy.

No doubt it was inexcusable going so long with Drew and CC.
Drew is GONE and now Refsnyder is here- Bird is here, Severino is here...Judge could could be here very soon....very soon.

I never said, nor do I think Cashman is a "top" GM known for being shrewd or rebuilding teams...the Yanks had the 4th best record in the THEIR league - and while I am also not satisfied with that, a couple of tweaks and changes can easily put them at the top of the division.

Lets see where Toronto goes from here after their big splash in 2015.
KC finally made it to the top, lets see what kind of staying power they'll have.


This was a response to the typical "opinion" of Cashman and Yankee management which is usually a predictably SLANTED booring assessment of Yankee management and Cashman.
And the usual knee-jerk genuflecting parrot agreement.

Just offering my opinion.....
Now, would you care to show some decency and comment on the parts of my post (#14) which you admittedly didn't read before you chose to insult me?
Go ahead...man-up. It'll make you feel better.


lol
 
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"Needless to say, none of the three will receive the $15.8 million qualifying offer. The Yankees have until 12:01 a.m. ET on Saturday to negotiate with the players, after which they will enter the open market."


IF Trashman even entertains the thought of signing any of the 3, he should be hung, and Hank shot....!!!

Mediocrity is NOT a Yankee Pin Stripe Mentality, and should never be entertained......

Watching both fools playing charades with the Greatest Sports Team on the Planet, is getting hard to digest, i.e., "Mediocrity"......
 
Mattingly23NY said:
"Needless to say, none of the three will receive the $15.8 million qualifying offer. The Yankees have until 12:01 a.m. ET on Saturday to negotiate with the players, after which they will enter the open market."


IF Trashman even entertains the thought of signing any of the 3, he should be hung, and Hank shot....!!!

Mediocrity is NOT a Yankee Pin Stripe Mentality, and should never be entertained......

Watching both fools playing charades with the Greatest Sports Team on the Planet, is getting hard to digest, i.e., "Mediocrity"......
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Not to worry Rob, none of them will be back. Someone will pick up Young, Crapuano is finished & some team will pick up Drew strictly for late inning defense only.
 
...^^^ Rick, just keep telling yourself that there will always be 2009.
 
blgridesagain said:
lol...the voices of reason....

I'll take a stab at trying to put things into proper perspective.

I didn't hear too much complaining when these under performing veterans ( CC, Arod, Tex) helped the Yanks win the 2009 WS.
Yes, I agree the Yanks (see Hank regarding the Arod extension) it hasn't worked out extending Arod and CC's opt out situation in 2011.
However, he was 31 at the time - 59-23, ERA 3.18 as a Yankee.
Let's not try and act too smart, okay?


One was partly a business decision (Arod) prior to 2014 based on Arod potentially breaking the all time HR record and in CC's case, yes it was too long a contract especially if the Yanks knew he would need knee (NOT ARM) surgery a couple years down the road.

Did Tex and Arod "under perform" this year as compared to other 1b and DH? Maybe Tex broke his leg because of his age and contract? lol
I don't recall how many had a problem with the McCann contract, help me out on this one....nah, never mind- all of the usual Monday morning QBs had no problem with this signing....
...until 2 more years from now...lmao

CC - yes, he has absolutely "under performed".
Beltran- Yes, I guess you can say he under performed ranking 6th amoung qualified ("everyday") RF in RBI and 5th in OPS.

Gardner- should the Yanks have dumped him after the 2014 season?
Yes? No? Offer him a one or two year deal instead?
In any case, the Yanks should have no problem dealing him away at the deadline in 2016 or sooner....he isn't "clogging up" anything.
I'm sure there will be a team or two who could use a good defensive LF/CF who hits around .260, can steal a few bases and hit a couple of HRs.

Ellsbury did not under perform in his first year as a Yankee and was having a great season in 2015 before he got injured.
Is he overpaid? For too long? Yep, I agree.

And by the way, when Cashman did have to his "fucking head" to fill a couple of holes last offseason, he came through with flying colors with immediate success.
Gregorious for Greene.
Miller instead of Robertson (for less money and a 1st round pick)
Cervelli for Wilson - a very respectable mid reliever AND opened up a spot for John Ryan Murphy.

No doubt it was inexcusable going so long with Drew and CC although CC did show signs of life after the all start break.
Drew is GONE and now Refsnyder is here- Bird is here, Severino is here...Judge could could be here very soon....very soon.

I never said, nor do I think Cashman is a "top" GM known for being shrewd or rebuildin teams...the Yanks had the 4th best record in the THEIR league - and while I am also not satisfied with that, a couple of tweaks and changes can easily put them at the top of the division.

Lets see where Toronto goes from here after their big splash in 2015.
KC finally made it to the top, lets see what kind of staying power they'll have.

Since the Yanks last one their WS, there have been four other franchises winning the WS. Four.

2016 - first place or bust!
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None of this diatribe of nonsense has to do with the topic of DRAFTING. You brought up alot of aging players and bad contracts for no reason. You for some reason think back into 2009 because they were in Win now mode, that they couldnt have been drafting quality players. Your lack of focus and need to side track off to no mans land is ridiculous, cause you did it TWICE.

Fin - Voice of Reason -

P.S. most yankee fans were still complaining in 2009.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...^^^ it's apparently always been much simpler for Cashman when he pretty much had a blank checkbook to simply throw money at holes, and blindly give players opt out clauses and no trade clauses, and ultimately over paying and over extending players to lure them to the Yanx. And it is that kind of strategy that has gotten the Yanx into the mess they are now in...too many aging/under performing vets who still clog up roster spots that should be available to some of the youngsters.
...now that Cashman's money supply has been cut off, he finds himself in the position of finally having to use his fucking head for a change...something he is obviously unable to do.

...unless some serious restructuring is done, 2016 will be no better than the last few years.
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yankeesince59 said:
...^^^ it's apparently always been much simpler for Cashman when he pretty much had a blank checkbook to simply throw money at holes, and blindly give players opt out clauses and no trade clauses, and ultimately over paying and over extending players to lure them to the Yanx. And it is that kind of strategy that has gotten the Yanx into the mess they are now in...too many aging/under performing vets who still clog up roster spots that should be available to some of the youngsters.
...now that Cashman's money supply has been cut off, he finds himself in the position of finally having to use his fucking head for a change...something he is obviously unable to do.

...unless some serious restructuring is done, 2016 will be no better than the last few years.
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ho hum...

See post #14


And add this to it-
Yanks had 87 wins in 2015, a couple of tweaks could very well put them at the top of the division in 2016.


The same usual hogwash will always be met by my unbiased clear thinking.
 
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SaveLundy said:
None of this diatribe of nonsense has to do with the topic of DRAFTING. You brought up alot of aging players and bad contracts for no reason. You for some reason think back into 2009 because they were in Win now mode, that they couldnt have been drafting quality players. Your lack of focus and need to side track off to no mans land is ridiculous, cause you did it TWICE.

Fin - Voice of Reason -

P.S. most yankee fans were still complaining in 2009.
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Be careful, he gets very upset & defensive when others (that would be everyone) doesn't agree with him.
 
blgridesagain said:
ho hum...

See post #14


And add this to it-
Yanks had 87 wins in 2015, a couple of tweaks could very well put them at the top of the division in 2016.


The same usual hogwash will always be met by my unbiased clear thinking.
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I'm curious to know what kind of TWEAKS you have in mind. Seriously, I'll keep an open mind.
 
Yanks finished with the 4th best record and were defeated in the WC game by a team which won less games in the reg season by virtue of a pitcher (Keuchel) who had the year of his life while Yankee pitching held his team (a high scoring team) to three runs on five hits?

2009 was brought up by me because the large long contracts to "aging" players were gagged up once again - we're talking about Tex, CC and Arod. Yes indeed, they are aging, taking up a lot of payroll and are taking up roster spots which could go to youngsters.

So, one more time- Tex and CC were signed in the 2008 off season and along with another big long contract player (Arod) were big contributers. Of course the contracts were long, and at this point only CC has gone into the tank and has given poor production.
Tex is nearing the end of his contract and this goes with the territory...can't have it both ways. He was 28 yrs old when the Yanks signed him and he'll be 36 in the 2016 season....not exactly ancient and was producing before he broke a bone in his leg which I don't believe had anything to due with his age or salary. Lmao.

I agree the Yanks went much to far with CC in 2015.
Drew is now gone and Refsnyder will be the 2b unless he flops.
This is Beltran's last year and it's probably right on time for the arrival of Judge who could even make the team in 2016 if he can improve on his weak AAA 2015 performance which wasn't Cashman's fault.

Yanks 2009 first round draft choice Heathcott may have already been in LF prior to Beltran if he could've avoided a couple of nagging injuries in his minor league career. And if he stays healthy, he'll be another young player the Yanks will have on the team in 2016 along with Refsnyder, Murphy, Gregorius and Bird.

Yanks need a big bat in the outfield, and as of now it looks Gardy is the weak link.


My biggest issue with Yankee management and farm directors has been, and is the organization's inability to produce at least ONE top of the rotation youngster.

This team is certainly NOT far away from returning to the top of the divison by any stretch. imo
 
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Rick2583 said:
Be careful, he gets very upset & defensive when others (that would be everyone) doesn't agree with him.
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You get upset when I or others don't see things your way all the time.....as you seem to agree with a few here ALL THE TIME.....lol, are you nuts?

I subscribe to the Ed Koch proposal.
"If you agree with me on 6 or 7 issues out of 10, vote for me"....
"If you agree with me on 10 out of 10 issues, see a Psychiatrist"

You may need a Psychiatrist when it comes to a couple of other posters on this board...you seem to agree with them 100 out of 100 times...lmao...

As for me getting defensive when someone disagrees with me....nope, you're full of baloney...I just respond in kind to replies like yours when you insulted me (your post 15) after admitting you only read the first line of my post (#14) and conveniently avoided addressing the rest of the post.
You seem to miss a lot in various posts by others along with making a lot of mistakes in some of your supposed "facts", and also in writing and spelling....lol, that's not that important. No problem.
If I didn't know you any better, I would think you're not too bright....but of course you are.


Keep up the good work!
 
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blgridesagain said:
You get upset when I or others don't see things your way all the time.....as you Sam to agree with a few here ALL THE TIME.....lol, are you nuts?

I subscribe to the Ed Koch theory-
"If you agree with me on 6 or 7 issues out of 10, vote for me"....
"If you agree with me on 10 out of 10 issues, see a Psychiatrist"

You may need a Psychiatrist when it comes to a couple of other posters on this board...you seem to agree with them 100 out of 100 times...lmao...

As for me getting defensive when someone disagrees with me....nope, your're full of baloney...I just respond in kind to replies like yours when you insulted me (your post 15) after admitting you only read the first line of my post (#14) and conveniently avoided addressing the rest of the post.
You seem to miss a lot in various posts by others along with making a lot of mistakes in some of your supposed "facts", and in writing and spelling.
If I didn't know you any better, I would think you're not too bright....but of course you are.


Keep up the good work!
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And what if no one ever agrees with you? Oh yeah then you just LOL on every post.

And I guess my simple question in post #25 was a little to tough for you, no problem, I understand.
 
Rick2583 said:
Not to worry Rob, none of them will be back. Someone will pick up Young, Crapuano is finished & some team will pick up Drew strictly for late inning defense only.
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I really really hope we've seen the end of both Crap and Drew. I'd have to find a shrink otherwise, and I hear those sessions are costly.....
 
another pissin' in the wind post....

damn I'm getting tired of hearing this tune ovah and ovah........





next thing ya' know we'll be wearing raincoats........!!~~
 
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