Notice Yankees Trade Talks pt.2

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Ian Kennedy has signed a 5 year $70M contract with the Kansas city Royals with a .......wait for.............an opt out clause after 2 years. SHIT! these teams will never learn.
 
Rick2583 said:
Ian Kennedy has signed a 5 year $70M contract with the Kansas city Royals with a .......wait for.............an opt out clause after 2 years. SHIT! these teams will never learn.
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(shaking head in disgust or disbelief)??? or both-
 
Yankees and Didi Gregorius avoided arbitration by agreeing to a 1 year 2.425 million contract as per Jack Curry.

Don't know if anyone posted this , just trying to catch up.
 
MLB Network reports that Justin Upton is "close to a deal " with the Tigers as per Jon Heyman.
 
I'm really surprised the he & Cespedes are still available. And for some reason I think Cespedes ends up back with the Mets.
 
Justin Upton to the Tigers, 6 years 132.75 million with an opt out clause not sure what year yet as per Jon Heyman.
 
Lillie said:
Justin Upton to the Tigers, 6 years 132.75 million with an opt out clause not sure what year yet as per Jon Heyman.
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Unbelievable, I didn't expect any team to pick Upton up for more than a one or 2 year deal.

Upton is: "The Glass Man"...
 
...I'm beginning to understand the reasoning behind teams giving certain players under certain conditions, "opt out" clauses.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...I'm beginning to understand the reasoning behind teams giving certain players under certain conditions, "opt out" clauses.
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Well maybe you can explain it to me because I think its stupid, especially after only 1/3rd of the contract is filled.
 
...OK, think of it this way;

1. for example, you want to sign a certain player but to land him, you must over pay and/or over extend. He's 30 years old and you sign him for 6 years with an opt out after 2 years.

2. for his 2 years with your club he's everything you hoped for.

3. after his 2 years he decides to opt out because he's greedy and convinced he can do better on the open market.

4. as soon as he opts out you're no longer on the hook for the final 4 years of a contract that probably won't be as good as his first 2 years.

5. you're now free to renegotiate with him or use that extra money elsewhere...and you can let some other team take the risk with a now 32 year old player.

6. with the premise that the first part of the original contract will better than the last part anyway, at the very worst, you've still had that player for 2 very good years and for very good value.
 
...another example, and an actual one, is to imagine if/when CC "opted out" back in 2011, Cashman had said "no thanx, see ya".
 
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I see your point Ron BUT...........................can you think of ANY player that opted out that wasn't resigned by the same club & for more money? CC & A-roid come to mind.

Here's another way to look at it, the opt-out clause is all on the player. If Upton in his 2nd year hits 10 HRs, has 50 RBI & only bats 240 there's no way he's opting out & the team is stuck with him for the remaining 4 years @ $22M per. HOWEVER, if Upton hits 35 HRs, has 120 RBI & bats 290 in year 2 then the club will try to hold onto him & give him MORE money as idiot Cashman did with CC & A-Roid.
 
Footnote on Upton: Last season he hit 26 HRs, only drove in 81 & only hit 251. He also had a career low .336 OBP & his ops dropped from .833 in 2014 to .790 in 2015. Hardly worth $22M per.


In other news according to the New York Post the Mets have offered Cespedes a 3 year deal for $60M but Cespedes is looking more for a long term deal.
 
Rick2583 said:
I see your point Ron BUT...........................can you think of ANY player that opted out that wasn't resigned by the same club & for more money? CC & A-roid come to mind.

Here's another way to look at it, the opt-out clause is all on the player. If Upton in his 2nd year hits 10 HRs, has 50 RBI & only bats 240 there's no way he's opting out & the team is stuck with him for the remaining 4 years @ $22M per. HOWEVER, if Upton hits 35 HRs, has 120 RBI & bats 290 in year 2 then the club will try to hold onto him & give him MORE money as idiot Cashman did with CC & A-Roid.
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...but that's the point, after an opt out, the team then has the option...it's not our fault that Cashman is a poor GM. And actually, CC never officially opted out because Cashman is a terrible poker player and was bluffed by Sabathia by merely hinting that he would in fact opt out.
...Cashman, as he' notorious for, simply threw his blank checkbook at the situation and made a bad decision by outbidding himself before CC officially opted out.

...fwiw, Zack Grienke, A J Burnette, and J D Drew all opted out and all went elsewhere. As far as I know, the Yanx are the only ones to outbid themselves by resigning players who opt out...that, in itself should tell you something about how poor their management is.

...like I said, I can see an opt out actually benefitting "certain teams in certain situations"...not all, but certain ones.



...can you imagine what the Yanx' pitching staff/roster might look like today if Cashman had not mis-handled the CC scenario in 2011...or if Hank had kept his mouth shut (ARod)?
 
USA Today reports that the Nationals and the Astros have turned their attention to free agent Yoenis Cespedes as per Bob Nightengale.
 
Probably Lillie because as I said, he's looking long term. As I mentioned the Mets offered him 3 years @ 20 per, if he's looking for more years he's going to end up taking less money.
 
^^^this...and I agree that 3 years should be enough...they guy is just too streaky for my liking.
 
FOX Sports reports that the Marlins have discussed pursuing Yoenis Cespedes on a short term deal as per Ken Rosenthal.
 
Marlins President David Samson said Tuesday that the club has no interest in signing Yoenis Cespedes as per Bob Nightengale.

So which is it??? :breakdance:
 
Yankees and RHP Nathan Eovaldi avoided arbitration by agreeing to a 1 year 5.6 million contract as per Chad Jenning.
 
MLB Network reports that the Marlins are considering free agent right-handers Doug Fister and Alfredo Simon as per Jon Heyman.
 
I was wondering when someone was going to take an interest in Fister. Before injuries limited him to only 103 innings last season where he went 5-7 with a 4.19 ERA people forget that he finished in the top 10 CY voting the year before when he went 16-6 with a 2.41 ERA for the Nats.
 
MLB Network reports that the Astros and Orioles are among the teams showing interest in free agent right-hander Yovani Gallardo as per Jon Heyman.
 
Mets owner Fred Wilpon indicated that the team remains in touch with the camp of free agent Yoenis Cespedes as per Jon Heyman.
 
MLB Network reports that the Mets have signed left-hander Antonio Bastardo as per Jon Heyman.
 
USA Today reports that while the White Sox remain interested in free agent outfielder Yoenis Cespedes the team doesn't want to offer more than 3 years as per Bob Nightengale.
 
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