Game Thread Yankees vs. Tigers Game 1 Monday, 6/4/18 pm 1:10 pm (1 Viewer)

[Lillie]

This Game is Ovah 1 down 1 to go.

 

[yankeesince59]

how many stud pitchers are out there?
Why doesn't Seve count its not like another team drafted him.

Jesus Christ, Al...how many draft picks have the Yanx had in the last 20 years?...Cashman is in charge of the draft and there is accountable...and he's done a piss poor job, period.

And I did not say Seve does not count, only that he was acquired as a FA.


...seriously, do you think Cashman has done well in drafting pitching?...yes or no?

 

[yankeesince59]

FWIW Al, in the 20 drafts since Cashman became GM he has drafted a pitcher with their initial pick 13 freaking times...without googling, how many can you name?

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

FWIW Al, in the 20 drafts since Cashman became GM he has drafted a pitcher with their initial pick 13 freaking times...without googling, how many can you name?

zero because to me the draft is a frigen crap shoot...

although i do believe we traded a former first rounder in the Sonny Grey who had arm surgery.


two guys that have been drafted by the yanks are sitting in their pen

 

[Lillie]

Blood Pressure 150/90 time to pop a pill.

 

[yankeesince59]

zero because to me the draft is a frigen crap shoot...

although i do believe we traded a former first rounder in the Sonny Grey who had arm surgery.


two guys that have been drafted by the yanks are sitting in their pen

...lol, you could have just stopped at "zero".

...20 years Al, 20 freaking years, and Cashman has never drafted a pitcher who has distinguished himself...so I really don't understand the point you are trying to make.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

now with the help of google...
Yankee First picks by year
2004 Phil Hughes...23rd pick overall
2004 Jonathan Poterson (catcher) 37th overall pick and Jeffrey Marquez ....41st pick overall
2005 Carl Henry shortsop 17th overall pick
2006 Ian Kennedy 21st overall pick
2006 Joba 41st overall pick
2007 Andrew Brackman 30th overall pick --tommy john surgery in 2007
2008 Gerrit Cole... 28th overall pick...and went on to become a very good pitcher with Pittsburgh and now Houston
2008 Jeremy Bleich 44th overall pick surgery on torn glenoid labrum 2010
2009 Slade Heathcott 29th overall pick outfielder
2010 Cito Culver 32nd overall pick shortstop
2011 Dante Bichette 51st overall pick thirdbaseman
2012 Ty Hensley 30th overall pick 2013 surgery on both hip labrums and in 2015 torn ulner collateral ligament and had 2 Tommy John surgeries
2013 Eric Jagielo 26th overall pickthird baseman
2013 All Rise 32nd overall pick
2013 Ian Clarkin 33rd overall pick traded for Frzier, Robertson and Kahnle
2014 NO FIRST ROUND PICK
2015 James Kaprielian 16th overall pick TJ Surgery traded for Sonny Gray

outside of kaprielian...no pitching picks in the top 20 and alot of picks with surgeries

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

my point is ...what team produces great pitchers that were drafted and with picks after the 20th overall pick

 

[yankeesince59]

my point is ...what team produces great pitchers that were drafted and with picks after the 20th overall pick

I don't give 2 shits about other teams...I care about the Yanx...if I followed other teams, I'd probably be able to answer you without googling like you did.

...what difference does it make when according to you, "the draft is a crap shoot"?


...but I do recall Roger Clemens and Mike Mussina being drafted in the 2nd half of the draft...and I also know that the Braves, Cardinals, and Rays are all ver good at cultivating young pitchers...and I'm sure there are others as well.

 

[yankeesince59]

now with the help of google...
Yankee First picks by year
2004 Phil Hughes...23rd pick overall
2004 Jonathan Poterson (catcher) 37th overall pick and Jeffrey Marquez ....41st pick overall
2005 Carl Henry shortsop 17th overall pick
2006 Ian Kennedy 21st overall pick
2006 Joba 41st overall pick
2007 Andrew Brackman 30th overall pick --tommy john surgery in 2007
2008 Gerrit Cole... 28th overall pick...and went on to become a very good pitcher with Pittsburgh and now Houston
2008 Jeremy Bleich 44th overall pick surgery on torn glenoid labrum 2010
2009 Slade Heathcott 29th overall pick outfielder
2010 Cito Culver 32nd overall pick shortstop
2011 Dante Bichette 51st overall pick thirdbaseman
2012 Ty Hensley 30th overall pick 2013 surgery on both hip labrums and in 2015 torn ulner collateral ligament and had 2 Tommy John surgeries
2013 Eric Jagielo 26th overall pickthird baseman
2013 All Rise 32nd overall pick
2013 Ian Clarkin 33rd overall pick traded for Frzier, Robertson and Kahnle
2014 NO FIRST ROUND PICK
2015 James Kaprielian 16th overall pick TJ Surgery traded for Sonny Gray

outside of kaprielian...no pitching picks in the top 20 and alot of picks with surgeries

...don't look now but you just proved what I and others have been trying to say.

 

[Lillie]

Yankees reinstated Adam Warren from the DL optioned Kahnle to Triple A.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Keep in mind Cole refused to sign...can't count a non-signed player...

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Yankees reinstated Adam Warren from the DL optioned Kahnle to Triple A.

Wow, and I expected 2 hear: "Down Goes Frazier"...

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Kennedy was/is a good pitcher
Phil Hughes and Joba got fucked around with between being a starter and reliever

Should Cashman have done better..sure...

Lets look at who is leading the ERA

Verlander....drafted by Detroit and with the 2nd overall pick traded
DeGrom...drafted by the Mets in the 9th round 272 overall pick...
Scherzer drafted by the Dbacks with the 11th overall pick traded
Kluber drafted by San Diego in the 4th round 134th overall pick traded
Aaron Nola drafted by Philidelphia 7th overall pick
Severino...international free agent by the yankees
Cole drafted by Pitt (after the yanks drafted and failed to sign) 1st overall
Mike Foltynewicz drafted by Houston 19th overall traded
Gio Gonzalez drafted by Chicago 38th overall traded 3rd team
Snell drafted by Tampa 52nd overall
Wacha drafted by St Louis 19th overall
Lester drafted by Boston 57th overall 3rd team
Miles Mikolas drafted by San Diego 7th round 204th overall 3rd team
Arrieta drafted by Baltimore 5th round 159th overall 3rd team
Newcomb drafted by the Angles 15th overall
Bauer drafted by Arizona 3rd overall
Morton drafted by Atlanta 95th overall 4th team
Daniel Mengdan drafted by Houston 106th overall
Corbin drafted by Angles 80th overall
Sale drafted by White Sox 13th overall

Alot of picks some very high..some not so...not many playing for the team that drafted them

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...don't look now but you just proved what I and others have been trying to say.

I was unaware Tanaka decided not to opt out. Smart move, as I doubt any other Team would pay him half his salary...

I don't see much in this year's FA Class. Just say NO to Kershaw, and most others over the age of 30, and those with big fat contracts. IF Corbin didn't already have TJ, he'd be a nice pick up, but he's already blown his elbow out once. No SP's under the age of 30??? Richards??? Slim Pickings...

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/04/2018-19-mlb-free-agent-power-rankings.html

 

[yankeesince59]

Keep in mind Cole refused to sign...can't count a non-signed player...

...true, but he told the Yanx not to draft him, but they did it anyway.

 

[yankeesince59]

Kennedy was/is a good pitcher
Phil Hughes and Joba got fucked around with between being a starter and reliever.
...yeah, and Kennedy was traded away, Cashman's move... Hughes and Joba were also Cashman's responsibility.

Should Cashman have done better..sure...
...thank you !

 

[yankeesince59]

I was unaware Tanaka decided not to opt out. Smart move, as I doubt any other Team would pay him half his salary...

I don't see much in this year's FA Class. Just say NO to Kershaw, and most others over the age of 30, and those with big fat contracts. IF Corbin didn't already have TJ, he'd be a nice pick up, but he's already blown his elbow out once. No SP's under the age of 30??? Richards??? Slim Pickings...

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/04/2018-19-mlb-free-agent-power-rankings.html

...also true, but I'm sure there will be a lot of "sellers" by the trade deadline.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...also true, but I'm sure there will be a lot of "sellers" by the trade deadline.

Indeed, I have <little faith in Trashman making the right moves/trade... Steinbrenner should put Trashman's ass on the line, if they do not make postseason!!! Or bumbles obtaining the right SP..
.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Game recap

Yankees win 25 of Severino's last 28 starts.

Yankees with 93 home runs on the year - HFC...
Perhaps Sanchez needs to be SAT down for a few games...

 

[yankeesince59]

Indeed, I have <little faith in Trashman making the right moves/trade... Steinbrenner should put Trashman's ass on the line, if they do not make postseason!!! Or bumbles obtaining the right SP..
.

...Tanaka, Sabathia and Gray to this point appear to be bad signings.