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“All of my realizations came to this conclusion. Black Lives do not matter to most black people. Only the lives that make the national news matter to them. Only the lives that are taken at the hands of cops or white people, matter. The other thousands of lives lost, the other black souls that I along with every cop, have seen taken at the hands of other blacks, do not matter. Their deaths are unnoticed, accepted as the “norm”, and swept underneath the rug by the very people who claim and post “black lives matter”. I realized that this country is full of ignorance…“

—Black police officer Jay Stalien
 
Binx said:
“All of my realizations came to this conclusion. Black Lives do not matter to most black people. Only the lives that make the national news matter to them. Only the lives that are taken at the hands of cops or white people, matter. The other thousands of lives lost, the other black souls that I along with every cop, have seen taken at the hands of other blacks, do not matter. Their deaths are unnoticed, accepted as the “norm”, and swept underneath the rug by the very people who claim and post “black lives matter”. I realized that this country is full of ignorance…“

—Black police officer Jay Stalien
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Getting the sense that the only black people you take seriously are the ones who denounce black people.

You might not be a fan of black people. Fortunately, overt racism is dying out as quickly as...well, as quickly as racists are dying off. It is the older generations that tend to be the most racist.

Unfortunately, systemic racism is the bigger problem and that's a lot harder to solve than just waiting for the racists to age out of the population.
 
Minstrel said:
Getting the sense that the only black people you take seriously are the ones who denounce black people.

You might not be a fan of black people. Fortunately, overt racism is dying out as quickly as...well, as quickly as racists are dying off. It is the older generations that tend to be the most racist.

Unfortunately, systemic racism is the bigger problem and that's a lot harder to solve than just waiting for the racists to age out of the population.
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Actually, I find the younger generation to be highly racist these days. All you hear from them is how horrible white people are. White people are privileged. White people are ignorant. White people are blind. White people are oppressive. White people are selfish. It’s an all-out assault on whiteness. This is why the statues of white people are being pulled down everywhere—even the statue of Ulysses Grant who won the Civil War that freed the slaves.
 
Binx said:
Actually, I find the younger generation to be highly racist these days. All you hear from them is how horrible white people are. White people are privileged. White people are ignorant. White people are blind. White people are oppressive. White people are selfish. It’s an all-out assault on whiteness.
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Yup, white people are the persecuted majority in this country now. I wonder how they'll survive this organized pogrom against them, only controlling every lever of power, being a larger population and having the culture built around them.

It's incredible how limited your perspective is that you could actually whole-heartedly believe what you're posting. Not all white people are ignorant, but your ignorance has been shining through pretty brightly. In the 1700s, you would have been one of the people saying that slaves were better off and live better lives as slaves, with all their needs taken care of for them.
 
Minstrel said:
Yup, white people are the persecuted majority in this country now. I wonder how they'll survive this organized pogrom against them, only controlling every lever of power, being a larger population and having the culture built around them.
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Ah, so racism is okay as long as its directed at the majority group in a country. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Binx said:
Ah, so racism is okay as long as its directed at the majority group in a country. Thanks for clarifying.
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No, I'm telling you that your bizarre belief that white people are being persecuted in this society doesn't reflect reality nor does it even have a passing acquaintance with reality.

The unfortunate truth is that many white people have felt "persecuted" going back to even the Reconstruction era of this nation. Conservatives of that time assured poor white people that at least they enjoyed higher status than the "negroes" and any attempts by black people to better their situation were met with outright hostility by a large number of white people, who felt their status and place in "their nation" was under assault. Look up the Tulsa massacre of "Black Wall Street" for a particularly terrible example.

So your rhetoric is nothing new, it doesn't reflect some "growing racism against white people"--it's a continuation of a very specific type of hostility that (some) white people have had for black (and often other minority) people in this nation pretty much since the end of slavery. Any demand for racial equality by black and minority citizens has been met with a large white backlash alleging "anti-white sentiment."
 
Minstrel said:
No, I'm telling you that your bizarre belief that white people are being persecuted in this society doesn't reflect reality nor does it even have a passing acquaintance with reality.

The unfortunate truth is that many white people have felt "persecuted" going back to even the Reconstruction era of this nation. Conservatives of that time assured poor white people that at least they enjoyed higher status than the "negroes" and any attempts by black people to better their situation were met with outright hostility by a large number of white people, who felt their status and place in "their nation" was under assault. Look up the Tulsa massacre of "Black Wall Street" for a particularly terrible example.

So your rhetoric is nothing new, it doesn't reflect some "growing racism against white people"--it's a continuation of a very specific type of hostility that (some) white people have had for black (and often other minority) people in this nation pretty much since the end of slavery. Any demand for racial equality by black and minority citizens has been met with a large white backlash alleging "anti-white sentiment."
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You just described Fox News.
 
Minstrel said:
Getting the sense that the only black people you take seriously are the ones who denounce black people..
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Ding!Ding!Ding!!!...we have a winner

and that answer fits perfectly just about everywhere in the right-wing sphere
 
riverman said:
Learn the difference between racism and civil rights ..your fear of losing white privilege has no place in the problems we face.
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I’m afraid your “civil rights” crusade is just as racist as you think your enemy is. You are demonizing white people in your rush to embrace a cause that you think is more important than anything.
 
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The Portland Trailblazers organization across the board from players, coaches and staff have come out strong in favor and support of BLM....if you are against BLM you're against the Portland Trailblazers organization...and calling them bad names for supporting their civil rights beliefs...I'm with the Blazers...100% support BLM and you have a problem with that you can take it up with the team...start with the players...tell them how racist and ignorant they are because you're white...right...crickets
 
riverman said:
The Portland Trailblazers organization across the board from players, coaches and staff have come out strong in favor and support of BLM....if you are against BLM you're against the Portland Trailblazers organization...and calling them bad names for supporting their civil rights beliefs...I'm with the Blazers...100% support BLM and you have a problem with that you can take it up with the team...start with the players...tell them how racist and ignorant they are because you're white...right...crickets
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I’m supposed to be impressed because the owners and managers of teams in a league that is 95% black are coming out in support of Black Lives Matter? What world are you living in, riverman? It would be political suicide for any coach, GM, owner, trainer, video technician or towel boy to say a single negative word about BLM. They would never work in the NBA again. The entire NBA and the NFL are caving to the players right now because they are scared to death of losing their revenue or their jobs. The fact that you think the Blazers are taking this path for moral and ethical reasons is laughable.

If I’m against BLM I’m against the Trail Blazers?? What kind of logic is that?
 
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Binx said:
I’m afraid your “civil rights” crusade is just as racist as you think your enemy is. You are demonizing white people in your rush to embrace a cause that you think is more important than anything.
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I don't demonize anybody....I'm hand in hand with a majority of white people in my support of BLM....I don't rush anywhere...I also don't tolerate racist white people calling civil rights protesters demeaning names and trashing their cause for my own privielged agenda....I'm pragmatic..I'm also on the side of civil rights protesting racial profiling..and don't give a shit what you think of my value system or how I express my humanitarian views....I find ignorance rampant in your posts...I will protest it everytime...deal with it...the civil rights crusade isn't mine...it's everyone's that wishes to integrate the world and recognize injustice...we are faced with grave injustice and you just want to feel sorry for yourself.....shallow...and you absolutely would not say what you're saying face to face with any black person or minority...admit it
 
Binx said:
If I’m against BLM I’m against the Trail Blazers?
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yes...you are not showing support to the cause they've come out in support of...so all the negative things you've said about BLM here...relates to them. I'm old as dirt and probably have seen more of life than you'll ever see bucko....you can protest their support of the BLM movement by contacting their front office at the website...you can express these views you have to all the members through twitter or their social media....I'm guessing you would rather lob stones from the shadows...walk the walk
 
riverman said:
yes...you are not showing support to the cause they've come out in support of...so all the negative things you've said about BLM here...relates to them. I'm old as dirt and probably have seen more of life than you'll ever see bucko....you can protest their support of the BLM movement by contacting their front office at the website...you can express these views you have to all the members through twitter or their social media....I'm guessing you would rather lob stones from the shadows...walk the walk
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Not only that you are saying it's fine for Black people to be entertainers, even make a lot of money as entertainers, equal citizens, however, is another matter.
 
Binx said:
Since we’re all going to be seeing “Black Lives Matter” painted on the court at every NBA game this year, it might be good to know what BLM stands for. Here’s a hint: it’s not just racial equality.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nypost....der-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/amp/
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Some of us support the philosophy/sentiment behind Black Lives Matter. The organization behind it is pretty irrelevant to me. You don’t like being called “anti Blazers” because you don’t support BLM. So don’t imply we are “anti white” because we don’t support white supremacy attitudes and behaviors.
 
I cut this from an article in The Atlantic on James Baldwin. Boy howdy does this sum up some of the more recalcitrant stance by some of the white guys on this board......

“I have always been struck, in America, by an emotional poverty so bottomless, and a terror of human life, of human touch, so deep, that virtually no American appears able to achieve any viable, organic connection between his public stance and his private life. …

This failure of the private life has always had the most devastating effect on American public conduct, and on black-white relations. If Americans were not so terrified of their private selves, they would never have become so dependent on what they call “the Negro problem.”

Baldwin’s words are forceful and radical; he punctures the fantasy of white innocence and an infantile attitude toward reality. He understood that there is extraordinary capacity for denial in this country, even when confronted with evidence and logic. His was a deep knowledge of the white psyche, which he thought was marred with immaturity.
 
We had a peaceful BLM in my suburb community with 2000 marchers and there were zero anarchist in the group to piggy back and h9i jack the event. In front of the courthouse with speakers all very courteous.
If more marches were this way and they purged the trouble makers/thieves/anarchist from their movement it would make a diffrence.
 
Binx said:
Since we’re all going to be seeing “Black Lives Matter” painted on the court at every NBA game this year, it might be good to know what BLM stands for. Here’s a hint: it’s not just racial equality.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nypost....der-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/amp/
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BLM is made up of individuals and all these individuals may support all sorts of things. The unifying message that binds everyone in BLM is racial equality, that black rights and lives deserve to be protected. That's what BLM, the cause, stands for. What an individual, even a co-founder believes, is a separate issue which you can agree or disagree with.
 
Someone else posted this earlier, but if you want a very well expressed perspective on black experience in this nation and why BLM matters, this is a good start:

 
The BLM movement went global...and became even a broader landscape than just black americans….in Taiwan they protested against the treatment of 18 aboriginal tribes that are there....in England they exposed a white supremacist cult formed in the 1970s by ex soldiers of fortune and royal marines...this movement went global....it's much bigger than our national issues...it's worldwide...the whole world stood up and demanded to be heard over it....gave me a lot of pride in humanity. I now believe people have taken on the issue themselves because the govt has failed them repeatedly and our govt has given a very loud voice to racists....I believe we should look at reparations for any ancestor of slaves and give them their share of the pie. There are many ways we could do this...I hope we start fixing our country and the world now.
 
riverman said:
The BLM movement went global...and became even a broader landscape than just black americans….in Taiwan they protested against the treatment of 18 aboriginal tribes that are there....in England they exposed a white supremacist cult formed in the 1970s by ex soldiers of fortune and royal marines...this movement went global....it's much bigger than our national issues...it's worldwide...the whole world stood up and demanded to be heard over it....gave me a lot of pride in humanity. I now believe people have taken on the issue themselves because the govt has failed them repeatedly and our govt has given a very loud voice to racists....I believe we should look at reparations for any ancestor of slaves and give them their share of the pie. There are many ways we could do this...I hope we start fixing our country and the world now.
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We said and believed these things back in the 60s. Can we get closer to the finish line?
 
Lanny said:
We said and believed these things back in the 60s. Can we get closer to the finish line?
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They killed John, Bobby, Martin, Fred, Malcolm and many of the leaders of that movement....and when cocaine and disco showed up, the hippies went dancing.....didn't follow through at all..sex drugs and rock and roll became much more important than civil rights sadly...our generation dropped the ball in my view
 
riverman said:
They killed John, Bobby, Martin, Fred, Malcolm and many of the leaders of that movement....and when cocaine and disco showed up, the hippies went dancing.....didn't follow through at all..sex drugs and rock and roll became much more important than civil rights sadly...our generation dropped the ball in my view
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Yeah, this has been on my mind of late also. It seemed like we were on the cusp of real change back then, but in 2020 it’s still “same shit, different day”. But then “they” (an actual deep state) killed virtually all the leaders and the movement petered out for all the reasons you cited. Since WWII Americans seem to have acquired a case of group ADHD. Hopefully the current state of affairs will hold our collective attention long enough to effect real....and permanent....change.
 
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