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Sen.Dennis Linthicum,
Yes we have Climate Change that no tax will change.
I would venture to say that if all men dropped dead today, climate change would continue until it reaches the end of the current cycle.
To see climate change you must look to the sea. Two places on the planet provide the clues one needs to understand some of the cycle that men are not likely to alter.
The Straits of Malacca and the Bering Strait. The first, nearly on the equator, covered by the sea about 13,ooo, years ago. Today, a depth of about 100 feet. The second, at about latitude 65N, covered by the sea some 8,000 years ago. Currently at a depth of about 155'. Remember the native population came to North America across land at the Bering strait in between the time the Strait of Malacca covered and before the covering of the Bering Strait.
It really amazes me that men would think they can change this progression of the sea and our climate by taxing citizens in Oregon in order to stop a process that began the current cycle before any men were even present on this continent.
However, some are trying to do this very deed...
I have seen no science other than the facts that I use, that come to the same conclusions I do. Very curious and I think this should be sorted out before we decide to stop something where we perhaps do not know what is next.
My observations and conclusion;
First look at Malacca, where the sea is 100 feet deep, covered a few thousand years before the Bering Strait which is now covered to a deeper depth. How could that happen? Sea level is sea level! No Sea level is an ancient term, and where that level is, and why is the critical question.
The shape of Earth.
Not a sphere but a spheroid.
Our planet is an iron core covered with a sea of molting magma, on which the crust, mountains and valleys and all, floating on the sea of magma. It also spins which is some what of and exaggeration as it is really rather slow turning. One revolution a day, but it does produce centrifugal force on the molting sea magma, thus the shape. This centrifugal force is in varying opposition to the force of gravity on a high viscosity sea of magma . Where as the Centrifugal force is greatest at the equator and zero at the poles, thus it takes the spheroidal shape of the force. varying with cosine of the latitude on Earth.
Now let's fill in the valleys with sea water up to maybe the level of the Sea some 18,000 years ago, prior to the covering of Malacca.
The level the Sea takes will also be effected by the varying forces of gravity and centrifugal force. Where the force of gravity will vary with the sine of the latitude on Earth and the cosine of the Latitude on Earth with the centrifugal force on a variable density fluid, sea water.
The centrifugal forces will move the maximum circumference of the sea water earth out to the point of equilibrium with the force of gravity associated with the latitude. But only up to the point there is enough water in the basin to complete a sinusoidal sea level covering over the underlying spheroid. The sinusoidal covering will be incomplete at the poles and outward if there is insufficient water.
I think that maximum level being reach at the Strait of Malacca, the sea is has risen to the point that the centrifugal force on the sea water is in equilibrium with the force of gravity at the equator. But perhaps not at the Arctic ocean. And I think that the sea level rose relatively higher at the Bering Strait than it could at Malacca. This observation is also supported by the tidal currents at the Bering sea, always flowing into the Chukchi Sea to the North. It seems it slows to near nothing at low tide but not really a reverse.
This is one hell of a heat transfer from the Pacific Ocean to Arctic, really a heat transfer from the tropics to the northern latitudes. We might not be able to live much north of the Columbia River without this heat transfer. The last major glacier covering should be good clue to this probability.
Man! What happens when sea level rises enough to fill the Arctic and this flow diminishes? We have already lost most of the Glaciers on all the continents. Not much water locked up on land to keep that Pacific current heat pump transfer running. At some point there is trigger point for a toggle.
I am thinking glaciers all over again. And we are taxing fuel? Suppressing fuel supplies? Wrong plan! We need to know when it will happen! Perhaps a task for the folks at the Hatfield Marine Science lab in Newport. Sorry, but I doubt the legislature is up to the task. But you guys are the right body to seek the right research be done. There are various grants to study CO2 this and that. Maybe none to find the answer to what causes or triggers the end of the cycle.
Yes we have Climate Change that no tax will change.
I would venture to say that if all men dropped dead today, climate change would continue until it reaches the end of the current cycle.
To see climate change you must look to the sea. Two places on the planet provide the clues one needs to understand some of the cycle that men are not likely to alter.
The Straits of Malacca and the Bering Strait. The first, nearly on the equator, covered by the sea about 13,ooo, years ago. Today, a depth of about 100 feet. The second, at about latitude 65N, covered by the sea some 8,000 years ago. Currently at a depth of about 155'. Remember the native population came to North America across land at the Bering strait in between the time the Strait of Malacca covered and before the covering of the Bering Strait.
It really amazes me that men would think they can change this progression of the sea and our climate by taxing citizens in Oregon in order to stop a process that began the current cycle before any men were even present on this continent.
However, some are trying to do this very deed...
I have seen no science other than the facts that I use, that come to the same conclusions I do. Very curious and I think this should be sorted out before we decide to stop something where we perhaps do not know what is next.
My observations and conclusion;
First look at Malacca, where the sea is 100 feet deep, covered a few thousand years before the Bering Strait which is now covered to a deeper depth. How could that happen? Sea level is sea level! No Sea level is an ancient term, and where that level is, and why is the critical question.
The shape of Earth.
Not a sphere but a spheroid.
Our planet is an iron core covered with a sea of molting magma, on which the crust, mountains and valleys and all, floating on the sea of magma. It also spins which is some what of and exaggeration as it is really rather slow turning. One revolution a day, but it does produce centrifugal force on the molting sea magma, thus the shape. This centrifugal force is in varying opposition to the force of gravity on a high viscosity sea of magma . Where as the Centrifugal force is greatest at the equator and zero at the poles, thus it takes the spheroidal shape of the force. varying with cosine of the latitude on Earth.
Now let's fill in the valleys with sea water up to maybe the level of the Sea some 18,000 years ago, prior to the covering of Malacca.
The level the Sea takes will also be effected by the varying forces of gravity and centrifugal force. Where the force of gravity will vary with the sine of the latitude on Earth and the cosine of the Latitude on Earth with the centrifugal force on a variable density fluid, sea water.
The centrifugal forces will move the maximum circumference of the sea water earth out to the point of equilibrium with the force of gravity associated with the latitude. But only up to the point there is enough water in the basin to complete a sinusoidal sea level covering over the underlying spheroid. The sinusoidal covering will be incomplete at the poles and outward if there is insufficient water.
I think that maximum level being reach at the Strait of Malacca, the sea is has risen to the point that the centrifugal force on the sea water is in equilibrium with the force of gravity at the equator. But perhaps not at the Arctic ocean. And I think that the sea level rose relatively higher at the Bering Strait than it could at Malacca. This observation is also supported by the tidal currents at the Bering sea, always flowing into the Chukchi Sea to the North. It seems it slows to near nothing at low tide but not really a reverse.
This is one hell of a heat transfer from the Pacific Ocean to Arctic, really a heat transfer from the tropics to the northern latitudes. We might not be able to live much north of the Columbia River without this heat transfer. The last major glacier covering should be good clue to this probability.
Man! What happens when sea level rises enough to fill the Arctic and this flow diminishes? We have already lost most of the Glaciers on all the continents. Not much water locked up on land to keep that Pacific current heat pump transfer running. At some point there is trigger point for a toggle.
I am thinking glaciers all over again. And we are taxing fuel? Suppressing fuel supplies? Wrong plan! We need to know when it will happen! Perhaps a task for the folks at the Hatfield Marine Science lab in Newport. Sorry, but I doubt the legislature is up to the task. But you guys are the right body to seek the right research be done. There are various grants to study CO2 this and that. Maybe none to find the answer to what causes or triggers the end of the cycle.
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