Your guess for who will be our starting center next year

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Portland's starting center will be

  • Mason Plumlee

    Votes: 17 20.5%
  • Dwight Howard

    Votes: 7 8.4%
  • Bismack Biyombo

    Votes: 4 4.8%
  • Meyers Leonard

    Votes: 4 4.8%
  • Ed Davis

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Al Horford

    Votes: 8 9.6%
  • Hassan Whiteside

    Votes: 30 36.1%
  • Festus Ezeli

    Votes: 3 3.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 12.0%

  • Total voters
    83
1. I think the C Olshey wants most and would pay the max for is Whiteside
2. I think D Howard is 2nd choice if he accepts a 22-24 mil 3 yr or less contract
3. Dark horse Aminu/Davis type "value" contract is Cole Aldrich
4. Pot is legal on OR so we take a wild stab at Latty Sanders for some CHEAP bud
 
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And this is exactly why I think OKC is in trouble and may end up losing this series. They need a reliable third scorer and Kanter is their best option, by far. He's one of the most efficient low post scorers in the game. Just look up his regular season stats (4th in the league in FG%, 4th in ORtg, 6th in TS% and eFG%, etc.). Without his offense, Westbrook and Durant combined for 71 points last night, and they still lost by 9. They also miss Kanter's offensive rebounding. He led the entire league in ORB%, and it really wasn't close. Those ORBs are extra possessions, and given that OKC shoots lower percentages from both 2FG and 3FG range than GSW, those extra possessions are important.

Ibaka and Adams are both way better defensively than Kanter, but neither is a reliable 3rd scorer. Nor are Waiters or Roberson. Given GSWs explosive offense, Westbrook and Durant could both got for 40 and OKC could still lose. That actually seems to be GSW's game plan - let Russ and KD get their's and force somebody else to step up. Unless one of Adams, Ibaka, Waiters or Roberson steps up in Game 6, OKC may be in trouble.

I get that Kanter's defense sucks, but without his offense, they are often playing 2-5 on offense. Yeah, KD and Westbrook are both great scorers, but they can only do so much. Of all the players on OKC's roster, after Westbrook and Durant, the one the most likely to step up and have a good offensive game is Kanter. None of their other players can come close to matching his offensive output or efficiency.

I think that's the real problem here. When Westbrook tries to do too much, it hurts his team. He has a history of freezing out more efficient scoring teammates, including KD and Harden, with the game on the line. That has improved this year, under Donovan. Westbrook isn't freezing out KD the way he used to, but now he's dabbling in coaching and telling Donovan who to play and when to play them. Now, Kanter is barely playing and not getting touches when he does. And if the head coach decides he knows what's best for the team and decides to overrule the player-coach and play Kanter significant minutes, Westbrook is just the type of selfish prick that would freeze out Kanter just to make a point. I mean they guy spent years freezing out Durant because he wanted to play hero ball. He won't hesitate to freeze out Kanter in order to get Donovan to pull him.

OKC really needs to win Game 6. They don't want to go back to GSW for a Game 7. They need to play as a team and right now, they're not all on the same page. Their PG and 3rd best scorer definitely aren't on the same page. If they end up loosing this series, there is bound to be bad blood and finger pointing. Not good, given what they're paying Kanter moving forward and that they'll have to max out both Durant and Westbrook to keep them.

A leader brings his team together. This is why Dame is a leader and Westbrook is not.

BNM

Great post BNM. Here's Billy being soft about it:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...Thunder-Take-Out-Enes-Kanter#google_immersive

Russell Westbrook recommended the Oklahoma City Thunder take Enes Kanter out of the game midway through the second quarter of Game 4.

With Draymond Green shooting a pair of free throws, Westbrook walked over to the Oklahoma City bench. Westbrook first talked to Maurice Cheeks and then to Billy Donovan.

"Take him out," said Westbrook, referring to Kanter.

Donovan, after a brief consultation with Cheeks, went down the bench, called for Andre Roberson to come to the scorer’s table and removed Kanter from the game.

“I’ve tried to foster that kind of stuff because I think what happens a lot of times with players is a lot of times it may be, I don’t want them to feel like they can’t come to me,” Donovan said.

“I want Kevin and Russell and those guys that have been here and have invested so much to be able to communicate with me, and I want to be able to go to them.

“[One thing] I try to do is to get both parties to have ownership. You can sit here and say, ‘Do this, this and this,’ not explain it and say, ‘I’m the coach. It’s my way or the highway,’ and they’re not really bought into it and before you know it you’re never really maximizing what you can do together, so I try to create a situation where there’s accountability for both of us. We’re both on the hook.”

Kanter has been a liability for the Thunder on defense due to his inability to switch out on the Warriors' guards.
 
Great post BNM. Here's Billy being soft about it:




Kanter has been a liability for the Thunder on defense due to his inability to switch out on the Warriors' guards.
This last line is key for me. I don't care about the politics in OKC. The key is that one-way players hurt a team and I am happy BNB hammers away at that all the time--that we need 2-way players in free agency or in our case, at least defensively, because we have so many weak links defensively. I know that I and several others prayed that OKC would match the offer on Kanter.
 
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I'd highly recommend Biyombo if protecting the paint is a high priority for the Blazers. He's like Ben Wallace but lacks the timing Ben had, Biyombo can come out of nowhere and react even when it looks too late.
 
I'd highly recommend Biyombo if protecting the paint is a high priority for the Blazers. He's like Ben Wallace but lacks the timing Ben had, Biyombo can come out of nowhere and react even when it looks too late.
The only downside to Biyombo is you need a scoring PF next to him because he makes Mason Plumlee look like Hakeem offensively.
 
And this is exactly why I think OKC is in trouble and may end up losing this series. They need a reliable third scorer and Kanter is their best option, by far. He's one of the most efficient low post scorers in the game. Just look up his regular season stats (4th in the league in FG%, 4th in ORtg, 6th in TS% and eFG%, etc.). Without his offense, Westbrook and Durant combined for 71 points last night, and they still lost by 9. They also miss Kanter's offensive rebounding. He led the entire league in ORB%, and it really wasn't close. Those ORBs are extra possessions, and given that OKC shoots lower percentages from both 2FG and 3FG range than GSW, those extra possessions are important.

Ibaka and Adams are both way better defensively than Kanter, but neither is a reliable 3rd scorer. Nor are Waiters or Roberson. Given GSWs explosive offense, Westbrook and Durant could both got for 40 and OKC could still lose. That actually seems to be GSW's game plan - let Russ and KD get their's and force somebody else to step up. Unless one of Adams, Ibaka, Waiters or Roberson steps up in Game 6, OKC may be in trouble.

I get that Kanter's defense sucks, but without his offense, they are often playing 2-5 on offense. Yeah, KD and Westbrook are both great scorers, but they can only do so much. Of all the players on OKC's roster, after Westbrook and Durant, the one the most likely to step up and have a good offensive game is Kanter. None of their other players can come close to matching his offensive output or efficiency.

I think that's the real problem here. When Westbrook tries to do too much, it hurts his team. He has a history of freezing out more efficient scoring teammates, including KD and Harden, with the game on the line. That has improved this year, under Donovan. Westbrook isn't freezing out KD the way he used to, but now he's dabbling in coaching and telling Donovan who to play and when to play them. Now, Kanter is barely playing and not getting touches when he does. And if the head coach decides he knows what's best for the team and decides to overrule the player-coach and play Kanter significant minutes, Westbrook is just the type of selfish prick that would freeze out Kanter just to make a point. I mean they guy spent years freezing out Durant because he wanted to play hero ball. He won't hesitate to freeze out Kanter in order to get Donovan to pull him.

OKC really needs to win Game 6. They don't want to go back to GSW for a Game 7. They need to play as a team and right now, they're not all on the same page. Their PG and 3rd best scorer definitely aren't on the same page. If they end up loosing this series, there is bound to be bad blood and finger pointing. Not good, given what they're paying Kanter moving forward and that they'll have to max out both Durant and Westbrook to keep them.

A leader brings his team together. This is why Dame is a leader and Westbrook is not.

BNM

Called it. Coach Westbrook is the reason Kanter barely played tonight. In 10:38 he was 4-5 for 8 points and +15 and the ONLY OKC player with a positive +/1.

Hey Russ, instead of throwing your teammate under the bus, you might want to try passing him the ball a little more.

BNM
 
As an aside, this weekend my 10-year-old son was helping me with some yard-work yesterday. I asked him to grab the clippers to cut a root that was in my way, and his immediate response (in unison with my wife, who was also out there) was to yell "NO GOOD CLIPPERS!"

They were referred to as the no-good-clippers for the rest of the day.
SPD was neutered with no good clippers.
 
Yeah, poor Kanter has a thankless job in Oklahoma. He can't win with fans.

Yep, the guy is a very talented, very efficient scorer and the best offensive rebounder in the league, but Coach Russ benched him. Yeah, Kanter's defense sucks, but they need a reliable 3rd scorer to beat GSW and they have that in Kanter. I would think as the point guard and self-appointed team leader and associate head coach, it would be your job to figure out how to use Kanter's strengths while helping to minimize the impact of his weakness. Or, you could just throw an important teammate under the bus on national TV and blow a series you had well in hand.

BNM
 
They were smart to match. He will bring them an asset this summer when they trade him. And they will trade him.

Wow, Russell Westbrook really is the most versatile talent in the entire league. He is the NBA's first Player-Coach-GM.

BNM
 
This last line is key for me. I don't care about the politics in OKC. The key is that one-way players hurt a team and I am happy BNB hammers away at that all the time--that we need 2-way players in free agency or in our case, at least defensively, because we have so many weak links defensively. I know that I and several others prayed that OKC would match the offer on Kanter.

Say what you want about Kanter he's way better than Plumlee. It's not like Plumlee is some class defender. He sucks at D too. The Blazers would be MUCH better with Kanter.

The point is Russell Westbrook is a little punk for what he did and less of a leader than Dame will ever be.
 
Why are people in here talking about maxing Boyimbo when we can go after Larry Sanders for way cheaper? :dunno:

BB is gonna be $15Mil per for what?

I hope we don't sign him... We need someone who can score inside too.
 
Why are people in here talking about maxing Boyimbo when we can go after Larry Sanders for way cheaper? :dunno:

BB is gonna be $15Mil per for what?

I hope we don't sign him... We need someone who can score inside too.

Sanders doesn't even like playing basketball.. Not sure I'd want someone like him.
 
Say what you want about Kanter he's way better than Plumlee. It's not like Plumlee is some class defender. He sucks at D too. The Blazers would be MUCH better with Kanter.

The point is Russell Westbrook is a little punk for what he did and less of a leader than Dame will ever be.

I think we can all agree on that.
 
Man.... it's amazing how much the playoffs can boost your value. Biyombo was not a big name before the postseason. He wasn't even starting.
We'll only know what his value is when he signs. Even then, we won't know if his value was boosted by the playoffs. The only thing we can know is that he boosted his value on Twitter. But the backlash has probably already begun:

In recent days, estimates of Biyombo's 2016-17 free-agent salary as the result of his playoff emergence have ranged from $15 million to $18 million, or possibly beyond.

"To me," the scout said, "that is a total reach. I'd say $12 million, and a good portion of that is the bump up from there's a lot of money available. There's an over-priced factor. But $17 million? $18 million? That's absurd."

But not, he said, for Whiteside, with a potential $22 million NBA-maximum certainly within the realm for the Heat free agent.
 
We'll only know what his value is when he signs. Even then, we won't know if his value was boosted by the playoffs. The only thing we can know is that he boosted his value on Twitter. But the backlash has probably already begun:

I would like to know where the scout is from. I would laugh if he was from Toronto.
As discussed we just don't know for sure how the increased cap is going to effect things. I hope players like Biyombo don't get 17 million, but if a team is desperate for that type of player........they will pull the trigger.
 
Larry Sanders has Season Tickets to the Lakers games. It may sound like something trivial but I would put them in the lead even with something small like that.
 
Greg Monroe.

Remember Neil tried to land Monroe at the deadline. Or at least they talked - I'm not sure who made the call.

His contract is a bit of an anchor so I'm hoping Neil will try to land their pick as well.
 
They were smart to match. He will bring them an asset this summer when they trade him. And they will trade him.

Respectfullly disagree. Kanter will be making $17 mil next year as a backup.

Suppose KD makes $25 mil next year, that puts their cap at $95 mil, without re-signing Waiters. What's Luxury Tax next year? Of course they could decline the Team option on Morrow, saving them $3.5 mil. Shrug. My feeling is that no one is going to give up an asset + $17 mil for Kanter. In fact, I think it'll be the other way around - they'll have to give up a 1st to get rid of him, but we'll see.
 
Respectfullly disagree. Kanter will be making $17 mil next year as a backup.

Suppose KD makes $25 mil next year, that puts their cap at $95 mil, without re-signing Waiters. What's Luxury Tax next year? Of course they could decline the Team option on Morrow, saving them $3.5 mil. Shrug. My feeling is that no one is going to give up an asset + $17 mil for Kanter. In fact, I think it'll be the other way around - they'll have to give up a 1st to get rid of him, but we'll see.

You do make a good point.
 
You do make a good point.
Yeah, I'm still sticking with my theory that they matched Kanter in case KD left - because, as pointed out, without KD, Russ is really their only reliable offense (and that may even work out with teams overloading on Russ).
 

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