Your Personal 5 Most Disliked Trail Blazers of All Time

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Rastapopoulos said:
Obviously Ruben Patterson, that goes without saying. But that's because we know he's scum of the earth. On the court, if I knew nothing of his character, I might've liked him as a player. So I'm going to pick players by how I disliked them as basketball players (because, for all I know, there's a player who's a secret serial killer in his private life).

So: Telfair, Kenny Anderson, Damon Stoudamire, Shawn Kemp (because trading for him was what broke the Whitsitt era) and, I guess, Detlef Schrempf, because I loved him as a player when he wasn't on the Blazers and he just sulked the whole time because we traded for Pippen immediately after acquiring him.
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Trading Brian Grant for Shawn Kemp didn’t break the team. It was an upgrade. He played great as Sheed’s understudy. For whatever reason, what broke us was reacquiring Rod Strickland late in the 00-01 season. We were in first place and didn’t need him. He played well but somehow it killed chemistry because we rapidly fell to 7th and got swept in the first round.
 
Once again, do you base your opinion on a player based on someone else’s opinion? My only interactions with Reef were fantastic, quality dude. Now Von Wafer on the other hand….
 
I also had positive interaction with Reef. Go Bears!

Some of my dislikes were personal, like Bonzi. Others were social issues.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Chad - "why haven't you made a return or been to Portland or been associated with the franchise at all. Is the relationship between you and the franchise good now or is there still strains there?'

Clyde - "I don't know if you could say estranged or good or bad. There's just no relationship. I don't think its anybody's fault. If you look at Mark Cuban and what he has been able to do with Dallas, anybody who played for the Mavericks if you want to work and still be involved with the Mavericks he will give guys a job. He has 15-20 guys working, ex players, for the Mavericks in some capacity. Paul Allen.... and I don't want to talk about him because he's no longer with us... and I never said anything to him, but he never had any players working for him ever. Some franchises are welcoming to the Ex players and some will lose your number."

Total.
Horse.
Shit.

Jerome Kersey?
Terry Porter?
Dan Dickau?

That's just off the top of my head.
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Brian Grant
 
Roy (bad breakup)
Clyde (never meet your heroes)
Aldridge (broke my heart)
Walton (fuckin Californian)
Sheed (most frustrating player ever)
 
1. Felton



2. GP2
3. Festus
4. Olshey
5. Schrempf
HM. Nash/Patterson
 
Natebishop3 said:
Isn’t that the whole point of these kinds of threads?
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Yes, but.

I just didn't expect things to be so personal and emotional for people. It kind of freaks me out...like I walked into the wrong room or something.

I also learned that I like waaaaaaaaaaaay more players than the average poster in here. I'm seeing some of my favorite players on people's lists.
 
I can never hate on Clyde. I met him a few times and he was always very pleasant to be around. He was a spectacular player and I'll remember some of the plays he made forever. I don't begrudge him for wanting to be in Houston where he won a ring with Olajuwon.
 
Propagandist said:
Yes, but.

I just didn't expect things to be so personal and emotional for people. It kind of freaks me out...like I walked into the wrong room or something.

I also learned that I like waaaaaaaaaaaay more players than the average poster in here. I'm seeing some of my favorite players on people's lists.
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Strange…. People listed 5 players they don’t like. I had to really think about it to come up with 5. So out of hundreds of players I dislike 5.

A lot of those former players I am indifferent towards. A good deal I liked or have fond memories of.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Strange…. People listed 5 players they don’t like. I had to really think about it to come up with 5. So out of hundreds of players I dislike 5.

A lot of those former players I am indifferent towards. A good deal I liked or have fond memories of.
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I think you misunderstood me or something.
 
Propagandist said:
I think you misunderstood me or something.
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" Just want to be misunderstood
want to be feared in my neighborhood
Just want to be a moody man
Say things that nobody can understand

I want to be obscure and oblique
Inscrutable and vague
So hard to pin down
I want to leave open mouths when I speak
Want people to cry when I put them down

Coolwalking smoothtalking straightsmoking firestoking
Coolwalking smoothtalking, yeah!"
 
Propagandist said:
I think you misunderstood me or something.
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Not really. You said you like way more players than the average fan, but I’m just saying that having 5 players you don’t like out of hundreds of players is not really significant. They just happen to be players that everyone remembers for good or bad reasons.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Strange…. People listed 5 players they don’t like. I had to really think about it to come up with 5. So out of hundreds of players I dislike 5.

A lot of those former players I am indifferent towards. A good deal I liked or have fond memories of.
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I agree.. After Felton I had to think and some of my list felt like a stretch just to get there.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Not really. You said you like way more players than the average fan, but I’m just saying that having 5 players you don’t like out of hundreds of players is not really significant. They just happen to be players that everyone remembers for good or bad reasons.
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Not that it matters but I still think we are talking about different things. And I’m only continuing because I think it’s interesting…

My astonishment is due to 1. the sort of anecdotal reasons for liking or disliking players. I just figured it’d be 95% analytics and 5% emotional. Instead, it’s practically the inverse. And 2. (which is where your attention is) that players on my top 5 are appearing in people’s bottom 5, as a whole. That’s wild to me that fans can vary so drastically. It’s not about the numbers, it’s about the players, ie not the 5 but the who.
 
Propagandist said:
Not that it matters but I still think we are talking about different things. And I’m only continuing because I think it’s interesting…

My astonishment is due to 1. the sort of anecdotal reasons for liking or disliking players. I just figured it’d be 95% analytics and 5% emotional. Instead, it’s practically the inverse. And 2. (which is where your attention is) that players on my top 5 are appearing in people’s bottom 5, as a whole. That’s wild to me that fans can vary so drastically. It’s not about the numbers, it’s about the players, ie not the 5 but the who.
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Fans value different things. There are fans on this site that will stand by a shitty player or coach until the end of time, but as soon as that player breaks the law or does something that would be considered low moral character, that fan will be done with them.

One of my examples, Damon Stoudamire, was because I was fiercely loyal to Damon but I soured on him as soon as he publicly complained about playing time right as we were heading into the WCF against San Antonio. That really pissed me off. That's not the time to be creating team drama. He should have been focused on playing his best to help us get to the Finals. I never forgave him after that.
 
I have to admit that I must not be that invested in the Blazers to actually hate anyone. I like some players more than others, but overall, hate? Nope. It's just not that important to me.

Didn't love having Ariza on the squad, for example, because of the Rudy incident, but hate? No. Didn't care one bit for Roco.


People I enjoyed as Blazers on the other hand is easier... I will always love winner winner Travis Diener for example, because I like to write winner winner Travis Diener.
 
andalusian said:
I have to admit that I must not be that invested in the Blazers to actually hate anyone. I like some players more than others, but overall, hate? Nope. It's just not that important to me.

Didn't love having Ariza on the squad, for example, because of the Rudy incident, but hate? No. Didn't care one bit for Roco.


People I enjoyed as Blazers on the other hand is easier... I will always love winner winner Travis Diener for example, because I like to write winner winner Travis Diener.
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I think HATE is a rough word. I don't fucking hate Raymond Felton but I didn't like (aka disliked) what he brought to our team the short time he was here.
 
blazerkor said:
I think HATE is a rough word. I don't fucking hate Raymond Felton but I didn't like (aka disliked) what he brought to our team the short time he was here.
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I think once you say "most" it kind of implies "hate". At least that's my take on it.

I do not rank people I dislike. I just forget about them as soon as they are out of my life. Per usual, YMMV.
 
Hate's a strong word, but Felton was the big one I didn't like. I didn't like the trade that brought him here and I didn't like that he didn't seem to be in shape when he played for the Blazers ... he just didn't seem to care.

The whole Toradol nonsense has made me not like Payton.

I'm sure there were other guys that I didn't like at the time but eventually that faded away. I generally don't like having players on my team who do awful stuff off the court, like abuse women or drive well under the influence and endanger lives. I wasn't over-the-top against Rasheed, but throwing the towel at Arvydas to me made him a guy I didn't care about; he also was more potential to me than performance, so in general I was left with the impression the guy was an immature bonehead.

I still am irritated at Aldridge for the way the end of his Blazer days played out. I don't know how much of that was him and how much was the organization, but it just seemed there was a bit of selfishness on his part and a woe-is-me attitude because he didn't feel as embraced by the community as Dame was when Dame's community involvement in comparison with LA's played a big part of that. A part of the reason the organization is stuck in neutral now is that Aldridge left and he left without the Blazers getting any compensation for him leaving.
 
andalusian said:
I think once you say "most" it kind of implies "hate". At least that's my take on it.

I do not rank people I dislike. I just forget about them as soon as they are out of my life. Per usual, YMMV.
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"Most" meaning keeping the numerical number to no more than five. So if you have 7 disliked players you should narrow it down to the "worst" five. Anyhow that was the intention. I don't hate any of these guys. (except maybe Bonzi a little) :)
 
Kerry Eggers was on Rip City Radio yesterday. He had some interesting comments on Sheed and Bonzi , and the Jailblazers Era. Basically that Sheed and Bonzi want to act like they were misunderstood, but their actions , in many cases were deplorable. It was a good listen.
 
Most disliked...

Raymond Felton
Ruben Patterson
Sebastian Telfair
Shawn Kemp
JR Rider

The worst Blazers of all time are a different list.
 
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