Zach Collins 2nd Round

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BonesJones said:
Why can't you? Maybe we're made it in spite of dilating them. If theres something we can improve, we should do it.
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Will it really be an improvement though? Like he said, different matchups. Our starting five has played gsw very well this year. You dont just toss in the towel because of one bad matchup.
like it was said, aminu and hark would probably check out and if we are to win, we need them to contribute.
If we are gonna win it all this year, its with the help of those two. The changes will happen to start next year.
 
As I recall, Clay starts it, Zach gives it back and walks away, Clay escalates, of course Zach gets a tech, then the Whoriers start throwing out 'retaliatory' cheap shot bullshit around the basket that barely goes punished, Blazers don't back down, so the Whorier bench goes ballistic as if the Blazers were the instigators.

Am I remembering that right?
 
BonesJones said:
Why can't you? Maybe we're made it in spite of dilating them. If theres something we can improve, we should do it.
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I mean they literally did it to start the second half yesterday. In a game 7. I don’t think it’s out of the question. The thing is we’ll need Aminu vs the Warriors more than we needed him against Denver, especially once KD is back.
 
B-Roy said:
Very happy with Zach's play in the postseason. I think it's validated the FO's reason to draft him. All season long it felt like they were grooming him to be the starting PF next year when they don't resign Aminu, but his play after getting Kanter (even after Nurk went down) was brutal. To the point where I thought the team might need to dig into the wallet and resign Chief.

But he's played his way back in the postseason, especially against the Nuggets.

Prediction: He's gonna have a breakout series against Golden State and they let Aminu walk. GS is actually a good matchup for Zach. His strengths like his speed and versatility is great against teams who rely on perimeter scorers, and the Warriors don't have any bigs that can abuse Collins down low.
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Put Zach in charge of pissing off Clay
 
Orion Bailey said:
Will it really be an improvement though? Like he said, different matchups. Our starting five has played gsw very well this year. You dont just toss in the towel because of one bad matchup.
like it was said, aminu and hark would probably check out and if we are to win, we need them to contribute.
If we are gonna win it all this year, its with the help of those two. The changes will happen to start next year.
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I was advocating for a change to the starting lineup a couple of months ago, but I think maybe you are right for this series. I think Zach is needed to play back up center against the Warriors. I am not sure I want him to start and get in foul trouble. Maybe wait until later in the game to play both he and Kanter together.

What I want is for Hood to be healthy enough to start at SF while Terry rotates Aminu and Harkless at PF. At least while Durant is out. We need the extra shooter.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I was advocating for a change to the starting lineup a couple of months ago, but I think maybe you are right for this series. I think Zach is needed to play back up center against the Warriors. I am not sure I want him to start and get in foul trouble. Maybe wait until later in the game to play both he and Kanter together.

What I want is for Hood to be healthy enough to start at SF while Terry rotates Aminu and Harkless at PF. At least while Durant is out. We need the extra shooter.
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Im not sold on hoods help and lateral defense being good enough( is anyones?) to guard curry and especially Clay on the perimeter. Id stick with the starting lineup and make a quick sub if hark cant hang. But if hark cant hang on d, we are gonna be in trouble. When he is engaged he is our best defender i think.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Nope nope nope.

Remember our win against them in the regular season when Kerr decided he wanted attention all for himself and imploded?

Collins played the absolute perfect role as the free safety running in and out of the paint near the rim. We left Green WIDE OPEN with 10+ feet of space on every play while everyone else stayed with shooters.

And I'm not playing Dame on Curry-- he needs all the energy he can conserve for offense. I'd put Dame on Iggy, CJ on Klay, Moe on Steph, and Aminu on Looney, with Collins guarding the middle and helping on every drive. Kanter is gonna become a major liability on defense, but he'll be getting his on offense-- i'd play him judiciously.
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I started to write essentially this. Left to make dinner. Now I'm just gonna like your comment instead!
 
Orion Bailey said:
Im not sold on hoods help and lateral defense being good enough( is anyones?) to guard curry and especially Clay on the perimeter. Id stick with the starting lineup and make a quick sub if hark cant hang. But if hark cant hang on d, we are gonna be in trouble. When he is engaged he is our best defender i think.
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Klay has a quick release and runs off screens well, but is he that quick where lateral quickness is a priority to cover him?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Will it really be an improvement though? Like he said, different matchups. Our starting five has played gsw very well this year. You dont just toss in the towel because of one bad matchup.
like it was said, aminu and hark would probably check out and if we are to win, we need them to contribute.
If we are gonna win it all this year, its with the help of those two. The changes will happen to start next year.
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Im not speculating as to if it would be or wouldnt be. Simply saying he shoupd do whatever would improve the team, even if its a startimg lineup change.
 
To the aggressor go the spoils!
 
BonesJones said:
Why can't you? Maybe we're made it in spite of dilating them. If theres something we can improve, we should do it.
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It's not a bad narrative. And critical thinking would agree with you. If you are Spock.
But this is a team with humans and humanoid emotions. They made it to the WCF's starting Aminu and Harkless. They made in game adjustments as the games went on.
Seriously bones would you really think that a team that is as tight as the Blazers right now would want something like that to happen? Aminu played a total of 7 minutes in game 7. Stotts knows he was not the right guy on the floor for that game but he is a starter and playing him as a starter has been what has happened all season long. You just don't make that change at this point of the season. here is another thing Aminu got 4 wide open looks from 3 in that 7 mins. On two of them he deferred and tried to drive to the basket. on 2 he took the long ball. These were WIDE OPEN looks. If Aminu was hitting those shots the Nuggets are in big trouble early. Aminu was tentative and was unsure of his shooting. He got YANKED!
The Warriors are a completely different team. Aminu might be the very piece they need? Who knows right now?

On a side note and an even bigger thing- Everyone is talking about Kanter not being able to eat or drink. Neither can Aminu. I don't care what anyone says or who's god they want to follow. When you cant eat or drink during, or for 14 hours before the game like we are gonna see on every 6 pm start this series there is a problem. Sunset tonight is 8:32 pm. It is only gonna get worse and later as the week goes on. Do not expect Aminu to shoot well this series.

Point is i agree with you that they should do it. But i understand why they won't do it.
 
kjironman1 said:
On a side note and an even bigger thing- Everyone is talking about Kanter not being able to eat or drink. Neither can Aminu. I don't care what anyone says or who's god they want to follow. When you cant eat or drink during, or for 14 hours before the game like we are gonna see on every 6 pm start this series there is a problem. Sunset tonight is 8:32 pm. It is only gonna get worse and later as the week goes on. Do not expect Aminu to shoot well this series.
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They need to cheat. No one needs to know but them and their God, but it is unhealthy to fast and then exert that much energy. I am sure their god will understand if they drink a little water. Totally absurd not to. But hey that's me. I could never make it through lent without a little meat on Fridays.
 
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kjironman1 said:
On a side note and an even bigger thing- Everyone is talking about Kanter not being able to eat or drink. Neither can Aminu. I don't care what anyone says or who's god they want to follow. When you cant eat or drink during, or for 14 hours before the game like we are gonna see on every 6 pm start this series there is a problem. Sunset tonight is 8:32 pm. It is only gonna get worse and later as the week goes on. Do not expect Aminu to shoot well this series.
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GMs of teams with playoff aspirations should be taking that into account when it comes to the draft and free agency.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
They need to cheat. No one needs to know but them and their God, but it is unhealthy to fast and then exert that much energy. I am sure their god will understand if they drink a little water. Totally absurd not to. But hey thats me. I never make it through lent without a little meat on Fridays.
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I don't think they will. The way it is thought about is that it would be selling your soul to the devil for material gain. A true Muslim would not do that. Might as well eat a pork chop.
 
BBert said:
As I recall, Clay starts it, Zach gives it back and walks away, Clay escalates, of course Zach gets a tech, then the Whoriers start throwing out 'retaliatory' cheap shot bullshit around the basket that barely goes punished, Blazers don't back down, so the Whorier bench goes ballistic as if the Blazers were the instigators.

Am I remembering that right?
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As much as I like playing the victim, it was a double T on Zach and Klay, and then their "cheap shot bullshit" didn't "barely go punished" since they got hit with a flagrant and 3 techs, effectively putting the game away
 
I remember the double techs. I remember the one flagrant. And I remember them acting like the victims and having a total meltdown. It was glorious.

:cheers:
 
BonesJones said:
Im not speculating as to if it would be or wouldnt be. Simply saying he shoupd do whatever would improve the team, even if its a startimg lineup change.
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And I'm saying a lineup change now wont improve the team. It will weaken it. It will create doubt in some players.
 
Orion Bailey said:
And I'm saying a lineup change now wont improve the team. It will weaken it. It will create doubt in some players.
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You mean those same players that already doubt their shot so much that they: a) put us in a 10 point hole within the first 6-9 minutes of Games 6 & 7, and b) barely played in the second half of Game 7? Yeah, I'd hate to see them question their role...

It's really a silly argument, no offense intended, as it's exactly the approach Stotts appears to take, because Harkless disproved it himself by coming out with improved energy off the bench in Game 7, and working closer to the basket where he's vastly more effective.
 
handiman said:
You mean those same players that already doubt their shot so much that they: a) put us in a 10 point hole within the first 6-9 minutes of Games 6 & 7, and b) barely played in the second half of Game 7? Yeah, I'd hate to see them question their role...

It's really a silly argument, no offense intended, as it's exactly the approach Stotts appears to take, because Harkless disproved it himself by coming out with improved energy off the bench in Game 7, and working closer to the basket where he's vastly more effective.
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No its not. You are talking offence. IM talking defense.

Those two that put us in a hole were super tired. after a four OT game. Are you saying they now permanently suck because of it? You are gonna turn your back on the guys that got us this far just because of a bad match up and them being exhausted?

That is whats silly to me, but to each thier own....

In your scenario, then Denver should have benched Millsap too right? Cause he sucked the last two games as well.
 
Also. Show me a team that has swapped two starters in the playoffs that wasn't due to an injury or suspension? Coaches dont do it because they understand cohesion.

Lots of teams have players who dont perform or play well in the playoffs.

Should Houston Bench CP3?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Also. Show me a team that has swapped two starters in the playoffs that wasn't due to an injury or suspension? Coaches dont do it because they understand cohesion.

Lots of teams have players who dont perform or play well in the playoffs.

Should Houston Bench CP3?
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Denver benched Will Barton in favor of Torrey Craig after starting Barton the first couple games against the Spurs.
 
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