Zach Collins in January

[BBert]

And I was ridiculed for insisting we pick the kid...

You get teased because....Gonzaga

 

[rotary111]

Well, you've pretty much wanted to draft EVERY player out of Gonzaga (Morrison, Olynyk, Sabonis, Collins). So, congrats on getting one right!

BNM

Funny.. Looking at that list. I also wanted each of them. Go Gonzaga! Sabonis would be great on this team!

 

[riverman]

And I was ridiculed for insisting we pick the kid...

Not as much as I was for saying we should pick Jordan Bell.....

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Only one of those Gonzaga players isn't a top 8-9 player on their team. That is pretty decent imo.

 

[handiman]

Not as much as I was for saying we should pick Jordan Bell.....

Pretty much everyone here said they would be happy with him with our second pick.

 

[riverman]

Pretty much everyone here said they would be happy with him with our second pick.

I wanted to take him at 26.....don't remember anyone but mediocre man and myself in that lobby

 

[handiman]

I wanted to take him at 26.....don't remember anyone but mediocre man and myself in that lobby

Start a poll and I bet you find 90%+ were in favor.

 

[BonesJones]

You get teased because....Gonzaga

Why would someone get teased because Gonzaga?

 

[BonesJones]

Pretty much everyone here said they would be happy with him with our second pick.

Even I was fine with it. I was pissed at the Swanigan pick. And I feel like in the long run it'll be the correct reaction.

 

[BonesJones]

Well, you've pretty much wanted to draft EVERY player out of Gonzaga (Morrison, Olynyk, Sabonis, Collins). So, congrats on getting one right!

BNM

Olynyk and Sabonis are looking like pretty good picks for where they were drafted.

 

[BonesJones]

Rui Hachimura is the next Zag we should add.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I wanted to take him at 26.....don't remember anyone but mediocre man and myself in that lobby

Some of us wanted him during the tourney. RipCityBoy and RipCityDSCPL said it in the draft thread...h/t to MM for not being sold on Swanigan being able to cut it.

 

[rotary111]

I not only wanted Bell at 26 but Dillon Brooks too. Brooks would be the best SF on our team right now and he was a second round pick!(45th by Houston!) I would agree to a trade bringing us Tyreke on his expiring and brooks....maybe even Marc Gasol. What do they want? Looking at their roster..... Everything.

Ducks and Bulldogs are both really good programs with Great coaching.

 

[BBert]

Why would someone get teased because Gonzaga?

By that I was alluding to the same thing the others said. He's pimped every Gonzaga player since Adam Morrison. It was an epic debate back then, so any time he brings up a Zag, he gets it thrown in his face. I can't speak for anyone else, for me it's just in fun.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Olynyk and Sabonis are looking like pretty good picks for where they were drafted.

Who would you rather have, Olynyk or C.J.? Because that's what he was advocating - taking Olynyk with our 10th pick.

We didn't even have a first round pick the year Sabonis Jr. was drafted. So, it's a moot point.

And then there was the whole Draft the Stache nonsense and the bitterness that we took Aldridge and Roy when we could have had Adam Morrison.

BNM

 

[Minstrel]

Adam Morrison was a generational shooter and ahead of his time. He should have been Steph Curry before Steph Curry, but teams didn't know how to use him. He was miscast as the new Larry Bird.

Sad.

What's he up to these days? We need a small forward. Or a small ball center.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Adam Morrison was a generational shooter and ahead of his time. He should have been Steph Curry before Steph Curry, but teams didn't know how to use him. He was miscast as the new Larry Bird.

Sad.

What's he up to these days? We need a small forward. Or a small ball center.

He was miscast as an NBA player.

BNM

 

[MickZagger]

Well, you've pretty much wanted to draft EVERY player out of Gonzaga (Morrison, Olynyk, Sabonis, Collins). So, congrats on getting one right!

BNM

Olynyk and Sabonis are both quality players who I'd love to have on my team. Rui Hachimura is the next in that line.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Olynyk and Sabonis are both quality players who I'd love to have on my team. Rui Hachimura is the next in that line.

Who would you rather have, Olynyk or C.J.? That was the choice on draft day.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

Who would you rather have, Olynyk or C.J.? Because that's what he was advocating - taking Olynyk with our 10th pick.

We didn't even have a first round pick the year Sabonis Jr. was drafted. So, it's a moot point.

And then there was the whole Draft the Stache nonsense and the bitterness that we took Aldridge and Roy when we could have had Adam Morrison.

BNM

Lol. If C.J. was taken Olynyk would've been a decent choice. He was correct about Sabonis. He wanted Adam Morrison, so what? Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[BonesJones]

I not only wanted Bell at 26 but Dillon Brooks too. Brooks would be the best SF on our team right now and he was a second round pick!(45th by Houston!) I would agree to a trade bringing us Tyreke on his expiring and brooks....maybe even Marc Gasol. What do they want? Looking at their roster..... Everything.

Ducks and Bulldogs are both really good programs with Great coaching.

I would support trying to get two late 1sts for Napier, Vonleh, and Aminu, then using one of those late 1sts for Tyreke and Brooks (MEM wants a 1st) and the other with our picks (2018, 2020, 2022?) and Nurk to get a star PF (Someone like Griffin, not Love)

A lineup of
Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Turner
Evans / Brooks
Griffin / Collins
Davis / Reed

That's a nice lineup.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Lol. If C.J. was taken Olynyk would've been a decent choice. He was correct about Sabonis. He wanted Adam Morrison, so what? Hindsight is 20/20.

I don't want to speak for someone else, but I think that's just the point. Hindsight isn't 20/20 when you're a Zags fan and your idea is "always get the Zags guy." In fact, hindsight does you no good at all.

 

[MickZagger]

Who would you rather have, Olynyk or C.J.? That was the choice on draft day.

BNM

CJ. But, its not that wide of a margin. Olynyk is one of the most versatile big men in the league.

 

[MickZagger]

Adam Morrison was a generational shooter and ahead of his time. He should have been Steph Curry before Steph Curry, but teams didn't know how to use him. He was miscast as the new Larry Bird.

Sad.

What's he up to these days? We need a small forward. Or a small ball center.

Unfortunately the daily grind of the NBA while being an insulin dependent diabetic was too much to handle. Hasn't really been done before. From stories I heard he would dominate in practices. Even Kobe called him one of the fiercest competitors he ever faced. He showed flashes in his rookie season, just couldn't put it all together.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Another Random Stat:
ZCo is currently 4th in +/- among rookies
https://www.basketball-reference.co...=2018&age_min=18&age_max=20&order_by=diff_pts

 

[PCmor7]

CJ. But, its not that wide of a margin. Olynyk is one of the most versatile big men in the league.

Personally, unless that versatility makes you a superstar level player, being an elite scorer makes a sizable gap in and of itself.

I think with a player like CJ or Lillard, you put a post who is strong on the screen-and-pop or screen-and-roll or a top-of-the-line rim protector, that player is more valuable than a player who is the jack of all trades and the master of none.

Versatility might be nice, but elite level shot-creators/scorers are harder to find.

 

[BBert]

Another Random Stat:
ZCo is currently 4th in +/- among rookies
https://www.basketball-reference.co...=2018&age_min=18&age_max=20&order_by=diff_pts

Wasted pick I tell 'ya!

 

[MickZagger]

Personally, unless that versatility makes you a superstar level player, being an elite scorer makes a sizable gap in and of itself.

I think with a player like CJ or Lillard, you put a post who is strong on the screen-and-pop or screen-and-roll or a top-of-the-line rim protector, that player is more valuable than a player who is the jack of all trades and the master of none.

Versatility might be nice, but elite level shot-creators/scorers are harder to find.

I love CJ, so this is hard for me to argue. But thats completely untrue. The league is filled with guys who can score. In my mind, there's not much difference between CJ and guys like JR Smith, Nick Young, Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford....I could list on and on. Being able to create your own shot is for sure a commodity, but I wouldn't say its too hard to find. A 7footer who can guard 4 different positions and can put the rock on the floor and create for himself and teammates is harder to find. Olynyk's defense blows CJ's out of the water as well.

https://www.hothothoops.com/2017/9/...t-james-johnson-hassan-whiteside-luke-babbitt

 

[PCmor7]

I love CJ, so this is hard for me to argue. But thats completely untrue. The league is filled with guys who can score. In my mind, there's not much difference between CJ and guys like JR Smith, Nick Young, Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford....I could list on and on. Being able to create your own shot is for sure a commodity, but I wouldn't say its too hard to find. A 7footer who can guard 4 different positions and can put the rock on the floor and create for himself and teammates is harder to find. Olynyk's defense blows CJ's out of the water as well.

https://www.hothothoops.com/2017/9/...t-james-johnson-hassan-whiteside-luke-babbitt

Why does a guy like JR Smith stick around as long as he has if he offers nothing but being able to score? Because scorers are so valuable.

You can play all the great defense you want. If you don't have a guy or two that can put the ball in the hoop, who can't create a good scoring opportunity against great defense or when a play breaks down, you lose, more often than not. Unless you are arguing that Olynyk is an elite level defender; that's the only case I think changes things.

But then we've moved goalposts, because what I said (or meant to say, if I wasn't clear) was versatility in and of itself, doesn't close the gap on a guy being an elite scorer.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Unfortunately the daily grind of the NBA while being an insulin dependent diabetic was too much to handle. Hasn't really been done before. From stories I heard he would dominate in practices. Even Kobe called him one of the fiercest competitors he ever faced. He showed flashes in his rookie season, just couldn't put it all together.

Chris Dudley? I don't remember if he was on insulin