Zach Collins is ready

[Scalma]

Scalma should replace Stotts!

Lol but seriously long term Collins fits next to Nurkic. He’s athletic enough to guard most fours and the strength is just a matter of time. He can space the court offensively better than say Vonleh. Not saying I want to get rid of Vonleh, just that Collins has more upside. He’ll be a versatile big capable of playing either spot.

Id argue that Collins’ development is the most important thing about this franchise in the immediate future. If he develops properly, Portland has their missing piece.

 

[theprunetang]

Lol but seriously long term Collins fits next to Nurkic. He’s athletic enough to guard most fours and the strength is just a matter of time. He can space the court offensively better than say Vonleh. Not saying I want to get rid of Vonleh, just that Collins has more upside. He’ll be a versatile big capable of playing either spot.

Id argue that Collins’ development is the most important thing about this franchise in the immediate future. If he develops properly, Portland has their missing piece.

This is all truth. I think he will be capable of guarding 4's sooner rather than later. He has better instincts and length than Aldridge had at the same age, and they compare favorably on the bulk/weight aspect. I'm not down on Collins.


Ps. I was reading and posting in the clutch fans thread during the game (I see you fuckers all the time; I thought it would be fun to chat with the enemy). At one point, a poster, who is one of my favorites there, tagged me in a post and asked, "Who are all these white devils in there right now?". Some of the guys there were impressed with Pat and Collins.

 

[BonesJones]

Underwhelming for the 10th pick in a loaded draft

Already better than Meyers

Could be good at some point as a PF

His defense is so good... He hasn't gotten the chance. He could be a ome-dimensional guard playing for a bad team scoring an inefficient 15ppg, but I don't think that's "impressive".

 

[Mediocre Man]

His defense is so good... He hasn't gotten the chance. He could be a ome-dimensional guard playing for a bad team scoring an inefficient 15ppg, but I don't think that's "impressive".

Nor do I

He's good at the rim more than he's good on defense. Shows a lot of promise though.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

If they beat us off role players hitting open 3s, that's different than Harden getting 6 open layups in a row.

Yeah like “Which Scrub Goes Off On Us” wasn’t a thing last year or two years ago. There was that D-League guy who got a two year contract because of his game against us... is that better or worse when they’re both losses?

 

[TBpup]

Yeah like “Which Scrub Goes Off On Us” wasn’t a thing last year or two years ago. There was that D-League guy who got a two year contract because of his game against us... is that better or worse when they’re both losses?

Yes but that scrub didn't have anyone else on the team 1/2 of Harden's caliber. He just did it on his own with a whole bunch of other scrubs around him.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Id rather have PJ Tucker 3s than wide open Harden layups...

I used to get in fights a lot when I was in my early 20s. I never tried to match speed or throwing punches with little guys. Throwing them through rows of chairs was more my style.

Play to your strengths isn't a cliche that I made up but it feels like we're the only ones who know it.

 

[calvin natt]

His defense is so good... He hasn't gotten the chance. He could be a ome-dimensional guard playing for a bad team scoring an inefficient 15ppg, but I don't think that's "impressive".

I said Collins should be playing. Someone said “there isn’t anyone he should be playing over/instead of”, and you liked that post. So what changed in 15 hours?

 

[Mr. Robot]

Collins is good to go, trade Nurk to some franchise whos fans deserve player like him
I love Nurk here, but he deserves better

 

[riverman]

Collins is good to go, trade Nurk to some franchise whos fans deserve player like him
I love Nurk here, but he deserves better

nonsense

 

[riverman]

I like both the rookies...I noticed Collins has put on some muscle...they are both talented rookies, but they're still rookies with a lot to learn...still a year or two from being rotation players in my view. Collins is a good shot blocker ..I'll give him that.

 

[julius]

Collins is good to go, trade Nurk to some franchise whos fans deserve player like him
I love Nurk here, but he deserves better

So a very small minority of idiot fans are now speaking for the vast majority of us?

 

[Blazinaway]

I like both the rookies...I noticed Collins has put on some muscle...they are both talented rookies, but they're still rookies with a lot to learn...still a year or two from being rotation players in my view. Collins is a good shot blocker ..I'll give him that.

he may blow a coverage now and then because of his inexperience but I'd say already he's one of our better defenders and deserves some consistent playing time. Davis is a UFA, I'm thinking we probably don't resign Vonleh who is an RFA, Meyers is Meyers, so why not start developing this guy who appears as good as some of the guys we already have?

 

[Blazinaway]

So a very small minority of idiot fans are now speaking for the vast majority of us?

I think Collins and Nurk could play some together, and Collins has more flexibility positionally and will likely become a solid backup to Nurk and eventually possibly the starting PF if we keep Nurk

 

[Scalma]

I think Collins and Nurk could play some together, and Collins has more flexibility positionally and will likely become a solid backup to Nurk and eventually possibly the starting PF if we keep Nurk

What do you mean IF we keep Nurk?

 

[kjironman1]

He looked awesome tonight. His athleticism is made for the modern game. Physically he already looks different than in preseason. He has a swagger to him. He’s not afraid. He is advanced defensively for a rookie. He can shoot.

In preseason I figured he should stick at power forward this season but now I think I’d be comfortable with him at center. It’ll make trading Davis easier.

I can’t wait to see what he looks like in three years. A good guy to model his physical growth after is Anthony Davis. Davis was a stick in college much like Collins. Now he’s a man.

Yeah i agree. They got to get that kid some minutes.

 

[Blazinaway]

What do you mean IF we keep Nurk?

I don't "mean" anything, I try not to "assume" anything about Blazer personnel decisions. I don't expect this but what if Nurk and his agent demand a max contract or close to it - I think there is a chance the Blazers could balk at that and look to move him. I expect Nurk to be a Blazer, but nothing is set in stone

 

[Scalma]

I don't "mean" anything, I try not to "assume" anything about Blazer personnel decisions. I don't expect this but what if Nurk and his agent demand a max contract or close to it - I think there is a chance the Blazers could balk at that and look to move him. I expect Nurk to be a Blazer, but nothing is set in stone

I think we forget that Nurk is only 23, and a young 23 at that since he hasn’t even been playing the sport for ten years. If someone offers him the max, so be it, you still match. I don’t see that happening though. There are only so many teams that have cap space and a need at center.

And FWIW, Nurk is more important to our team than McCollum so you move CJ before Nurk if it absolutely came down to it.

 

[A$AP Meyers]

He lost that scared rookie look quicker than I expected.

The one Meyers has had for 5 years? (sorry i had to)

(Meyers was solid last night too)

 

[Portland2014]

Collins is good to go, trade Nurk to some franchise whos fans deserve player like him
I love Nurk here, but he deserves better

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
He deserves better? Do you remember he was a bench warmer in Denver?

WE DESERVE BETTER THAN NURKIC, I want a Karl-Anthony Towns, a Embiid, talents like that, not a mediocre center like Nurkic who's not even a top 10 center in this league.

You guys have no clue of the value of players, someday we'll have a real superstar and then you will realize what it is to have a true superstar

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
He deserves better? Do you remember he was a bench warmer in Denver?

WE DESERVE BETTER THAN NURKIC, I want a Karl-Anthony Towns, a Embiid, talents like that, not a mediocre center like Nurkic who's not even a top 10 center in this league.

You guys have no clue of the value of players, someday we'll have a real superstar and then you will realize what it is to have a true superstar

And someday you’ll have a real brain and you will realize what it is to have a true worthwhile thought.....

 

[Portland2014]

And someday you’ll have a real brain and you will realize what it is to have a true worthwhile thought.....

Your avy says it all about you.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Your avy says it all about you.

Good one . My avatar and your nonsense. Great pairing.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

And someday you’ll have a real brain and you will realize what it is to have a true worthwhile thought.....

Your avy says it all about you.

Good one . My avatar and your nonsense. Great pairing.

Girls, girls, you're both pretty.

 

[blue9]

The only players that should see any time at PF are Vonleh, Collins, Biggie. Ed needs to be traded. Aminu needs to be traded, or else see limited minutes at SF behind someone not yet on the team.

 

[tlongII]

I’m about done with Stotts. I question whether he knows what he’s doing anymore.

 

[Mr. Robot]

I’m about done with Stotts. I question whether he knows what he’s doing anymore.

hes out of his depth

 

[Strenuus]

I’m about done with Stotts. I question whether he knows what he’s doing anymore.

Short answer: he doesnt

Long answer: he really doesnt.

 

[Mr. Robot]

So a very small minority of idiot fans are now speaking for the vast majority of us?

no, I was joking when I said that
but I cant stand those imbeciles, cause they clearly dont appreciate Nurk as much as they should

I dont understand comments like: disappointing, underwhelming etc... when you say "disappointing" and "underwhelming" you describe scrub players like Rolo and Plumlee... "disappointing" and "underwhelming" Nurk is much better than those two scrubs

I know all flaws in his game and how good he can become, so we should appreciate 23 yo player like that... yesterday we had scrubs RoLo and Plumlee, today we have talented Nurk with a lot of upside and yet those people are acting like hes not good enough cause he didnt met their expectations so far this season