Zach Edey poll

[Ripcity4life77]

Beast - Zach is a more polished offensive player then DC but DC is miles ahead of him on the defensive end and that is what the Blazers need was help on D.

 

[beast blazer]

I think with his size, he just needs to have one go-to shot in the paint. He just needs to keep working on that hook shot and he will eventually command a double team.

He has the same standing reach as Edey, but Edey does out weigh him by 50 pounds. He's on another level, in terms of being difficult to guard in the post.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

He has the same standing reach as Edey, but Edey does out weigh him by 50 pounds. He's on another level, in terms of being difficult to guard in the post.

Their pre-draft weights were only 17 pounds different. How is it 50 pounds now?

 

[beast blazer]

Their pre-draft weights were only 17 pounds different. How is it 50 pounds now?

I saw 265 vs 305, but that might be dated info (which I know equals 40 and not 50). Nonetheless, Zach already is a great post player. We didn't see that from Clingan in college.

 

[Pinwheel1]

He has the same standing reach as Edey, but Edey does out weigh him by 50 pounds. He's on another level, in terms of being difficult to guard in the post.

If he really did weigh 50 more lbs (330) I would not project a long career for him. Luckily for Edey he looks to be in great shape.
(as does Clingan)

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I saw 265 vs 305, but that might be dated info (which I know equals 40 and not 50). Nonetheless, Zach already is a great post player. We didn't see that from Clingan in college.

Definitely dated. At the combine, Clingan was 282 and Edey was 299.

Nobody's disputing that Edey's superior offensively. The point is simply that Clingan also has similar size advantages and can develop them into an offensive threat as well.

 

[Strenuus]

All summer it was,
-"LMAO! You want to take Edey in the 1st round, LOL"
-"But wait until he has to go against REAL NBA centers, college centers are 2 inches shorter..."
-"You can't play big men in the modern nba. all that matters is their ability to defend the 3 point line and shoot 3 pointers"

But for some reason, Clingan, who seems to me, to be a shorter, less offensively adept (by a large margin) version of Edey was ok.

Its the preseason. It means nothing.

 

[MrDraftGuy]

When the ball goes through the hoop it's still worth 2 points regardless of how.

I think the idea is that 33% 3point percentage equates to 50% 2pt FG% which means 2pt shots are worth far less especially since fewer players can score 50% from 2. The formula is to multiply the percentage point by the point total. Both ".33 x 3 pts" and ".5 x 2 pts" equal to 1 .

Of course, you can do this in reverse, especially if that center can run the floor at an adequate speed so that enough possessions are secured. Suddenly 55% 2pt FG% equates to 37% 3pt shooting.

Since Edey appears to be a 60+% 2pt big man due to the fact that he's so tall and has strong footwork/good hands/mobility to be a solid enough scorer whether in college or in the NBA, that puts him in great company.....on par with the likes of Shaq, Jokic, Giannis, Kareem, Wilt, Kevin McHale, Dwight Howard to a lesser degree, sophomore Greg Oden, Ayton - especially when he puts in the effort, and Jonas Valanciunas.

We'll see what type of player he ends up becoming but going by that list, he is very likely a certified NBA starter with untapped potential and good playoff capability.

 

[beast blazer]

I think the idea is that 33% 3point percentage equates to 50% 2pt FG% which means 2pt shots are worth far less especially since fewer players can score 50% from 2. The formula is to multiply the percentage point by the point total. Both ".33 x 3 pts" and ".5 x 2 pts" equal to 1 .

Of course, you can do this in reverse, especially if that center can run the floor at an adequate speed so that enough possessions are secured. Suddenly 55% 2pt FG% equates to 37% 3pt shooting.

Since Edey appears to be a 60+% 2pt big man due to the fact that he's so tall and has strong footwork/good hands/mobility to be a solid enough scorer whether in college or in the NBA, that puts him in great company.....on par with the likes of Shaq, Jokic, Giannis, Kareem, Wilt, Kevin McHale, Dwight Howard to a lesser degree, sophomore Greg Oden, Ayton - especially when he puts in the effort, and Jonas Valanciunas.

We'll see what type of player he ends up becoming but going by that list, he is very likely a certified NBA starter with untapped potential and good playoff capability.

Except 50% sucks. It's 8% lower than the league average TS%, and you rarely draw fouls on 3 point shots.

That's why scoring inside is still the best thing in basketball. It's the highest % from the field, plus you get foul shots.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Except 50% sucks. It's 8% lower than the league average TS%, and you rarely draw fouls on 3 point shots.

That's why scoring inside is still the best thing in basketball. It's the highest % from the field, plus you get foul shots.

That's if the ball isn't turned over trying to get that inside shot. Those turnovers trying to get the ball inside aren't calculated in the shooting percentage.

An open layup/dunk is definitely the best shot in the game if you can get it. No argument there.

 

[beast blazer]

That's if the ball isn't turned over trying to get that inside shot. Those turnovers trying to get the ball inside aren't calculated in the shooting percentage.

An open layup/dunk is definitely the best shot in the game if you can get it. No argument there.

I don't know of a correlation there. The Cavs, Raptors, Magic, Bulls and Nuggets were the top 5 teams in the league last year, in terms of the % of shots taken at the rim.

Their turnover percentage ranked #19, #18, #25,#3,#9.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don't know of a correlation there. The Cavs, Raptors, Magic, Bulls and Nuggets were the top 5 teams in the league last year, in terms of the % of shots taken at the rim.

Their turnover percentage ranked #19, #18, #25,#3,#9.

There isn't any correlation that I'm aware of. It's just a risk you don't have with a 3pter that you do have when trying to force it inside.

The shot percentage alone doesn't account for everything.

You need to be effective at scoring at all 3 levels IMO. That way you can take advantage of whatever defense you need to.

 

[MrDraftGuy]

That's why scoring inside is still the best thing in basketball. It's the highest % from the field, plus you get foul shots.

Well, yes. It works to benefit players who can draw fouls and hit free throws. PER is still a very useful stat, for this reason, despite what some may say. Even a Giannis, who can't shoot threes and struggles with FTs, won a championship by camping down low. The impact of being able to score 60 FG% inside is understated in today's league, particularly if the player can create shots and kick out. I argue that people simply forgot what it used to look like as they fell too in love with the modern run and gun game and forgot what actual dominant big men can do.

In Edey's case, having historic college PER on par with Zion is a good sign on top of the other traits he possess.

It's just a shame the Blazer brass do not see it that way....because I do believe Sharpe needs a hyper efficient scorer type and/or an All-NBA defensive forward that can score next to him (Shaq or Pippen, if we are to believe he is even 80% of what Kobe was), in order to become a legitimate contender against the Thunder, Rockets, Grizzlies, Celtics, Spurs, and who knows what other threats will be be around for another decade. Imo, Portland has had 3-4 opportunities to acquire those players and has dropped the ball, each time. Now, you HAVE to acquire Cooper Flagg or AJ Dybantsa.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Edey had a bit of a rough start. He WAS a starter, but he fouled out in under 15 minutes with 5 points, 5 rebounds and -6. Against Walker Kessler. Who had 16, 14 and 5 blocks.

Anyone got a site that lists just the rookie stats? Because other ROY fave Reed Sheppard also had a slow start to NBA life.