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I think Murray is going to be really close right away and cost 1/4 as much. I like Sochan, Eason, I'm starting to really like Dieng I also think Mathurin and Griffin are good but don't have the size but those are guys who could help us. There are players like Duren and Davis that will probably be there that are more valuable as well but wouldn't be the best fit for us. All of these guys on rookie contracts with their ceilings are worth more than Jerami Grant. Jerami Grant is not worth a top 10 pick because of the fact that he's a notch below an all star, what he costs now and the fact that he's either a rental or going to cost you even more going forward.

I'm cool with getting him for a later first round pick if we can get that by trading back in the lotto. I also think two future firsts should be enough and if we're bringing Grant on board we better plan on making the playoffs so we should be willing to take the protection off of the pick we owe the Bulls. I would be cool with giving Detroit our 2025 first rounder top 4 protected and the Bucks for Grant. I would be cooler with giving them their 2025 second rounder back and the Bucks 2025 first.
I just don’t see how a one and done rook will help this team in the next two years.
If you think so I can respect that.
My opinion is if they draft and try to develop a young guy right now Lillard is good as gone and who could blame him.
New coach and trying a complete rebuild?
 
I just don’t see how a one and done rook will help this team in the next two years.
If you think so I can respect that.
My opinion is if they draft and try to develop a young guy right now Lillard is good as gone and who could blame him.
New coach and trying a complete rebuild?
I think Joe obviously has to try and do both. He has to try and get Grant and has to utilize a lottery draft pick in order to justify the season we just went through. Grant isn't enough to justify both the season that we went through and the players we traded away. So if it's trading back from 7 to 9 and 25 or 13 and 15 then that's what needs to be done. I think the 15th pick would be more than enough and possibly too much for Grant. I think the 25th pick should be enough but if it's not we should be able to use a future second or at the very most the 2025 Bucks pick to make that work. I actually think we should be able to get Grant with future draft considerations and if we're getting him and a top 9 pick, I think we should have the confidence to take the conditions off of the pick we owe the Bulls and offer the Pistons our 2025 first top 4 protected and the Bucks 2025 first.

All of this is moot until next week but then the real conversation begins, when we actually know which pick we have. Oh and Eason isn't a one and done, he's a two year player that showed huge improvement from his freshman to sophomore seasons. Murray is another two year player that made a big jump in his second year and really looks ready for this level of play. If we have a lotto pick and draft the right guy, they will help this team win if they're starting with Dame, Ant, Grant and Nurk.
 
I just don’t see how a one and done rook will help this team in the next two years.
If you think so I can respect that.
My opinion is if they draft and try to develop a young guy right now Lillard is good as gone and who could blame him.
New coach and trying a complete rebuild?
Keegan Murray played two years in college.
 
Probably not, but I have little doubt that Cronin will be a lot more creative than we were used to Olshey being. Olshey's moves were pretty predictable. I think Cronin will be a lot harder to figure out. He's a cap guy those dudes can get crazy. We'll see if its a good thing or not, but I'll be surprised if anyone gets close to predicting his moves this offseason.
I have no idea why you think Cronin will be more creative than ... anyone. What have the Blazers done with the call lately other than sign our guys to best-case contracts that paint us into corners after a couple of years?
 
Keegan Murray played two years in college.
Have to admit of the seven players he brought up Murray would seem to be the player i would like the best. Still not sure a rookie is going to make the kind of impact we are looking for?

I think Joe obviously has to try and do both. He has to try and get Grant and has to utilize a lottery draft pick in order to justify the season we just went through.
Lets see if that can happen?

A number of people are saying the Blazers are in a bad position and will be hat in hand this summer. Statements like "Everyone knows the Blazers NEED to build now so they won't have the leverage" seem to be prevalent. Not sure expecting Joe to land both Grant and keep that pick are realistic? It will be interesting to finally see what happens.
 
A number of people are saying the Blazers are in a bad position and will be hat in hand this summer. Statements like "Everyone knows the Blazers NEED to build now so they won't have the leverage" seem to be prevalent. Not sure expecting Joe to land both Grant and keep that pick are realistic? It will be interesting to finally see what happens.
As has been mentioned previously, if inclusion of this year's pick were required for the trade for Grant, then that would essentially mean that his acquisition was the sole purpose of the 2 months of tanking. Is there anything about his game that would justify that?
 
Zach will be a Clipper or a Laker. Dont ask me how but he will.
 
As has been mentioned previously, if inclusion of this year's pick were required for the trade for Grant, then that would essentially mean that his acquisition was the sole purpose of the 2 months of tanking. Is there anything about his game that would justify that?
This position they are in is exactly why i don't promote "Tanking".
Blazers could have made the playoffs and still had as much chance to land a player like Jerami Grant. Matter of fact if they would have made the playoffs they would have looked better in my humble opinion and they probably would have the Pelicans pick.
Now for the customary - "Tanking Sucks And Is Bad Form" statement.

Sorry but I hold a pretty firm stance on tanking. I understand many here don't. I simply don't like it at all.
 
This position they are in is exactly why i don't promote "Tanking".
Blazers could have made the playoffs and still had as much chance to land a player like Jerami Grant. Matter of fact if they would have made the playoffs they would have looked better in my humble opinion and they probably would have the Pelicans pick.
Now for the customary - "Tanking Sucks And Is Bad Form" statement.

Sorry but I hold a pretty firm stance on tanking. I understand many here don't. I simply don't like it at all.
All of that is beside the point I'm making, which is that I doubt they would have gone all-in on the tank if the pick earned by tanking would be required for a Grant trade. And given the effort made to procure such pick, if they intend to trade it for a veteran player, I seriously doubt it will be for a middling player such as Grant.
 
I just don’t see how a one and done rook will help this team in the next two years.
If you think so I can respect that.

I don't know about that

Anthony Edwards
LaMelo Ball
Tyrese Haliburton
Cole Anthony
Tyrese Maxey
Immanuel Quickley
Desmond Bane

were all in their 2nd seasons this year and certainly helped their teams this season

in fact,

Cade Cunningham
Jalen Green
Evan Mobley
Scottie Barnes
Jalen Suggs
Josh Giddey
Jonathan Kuminga
Franz Wagner
Davion Mitchell
Chris Duarte
Bones Hyland
Herbert Jones

were all rookies this year and certainly helped their teams

and,

Ja Morant
RJ Barrett
De'Andre Hunter
Darius Garland
Coby White
Rui Hachimura
Cameron Johnson
P.J. Washington
Tyler Herro
Brandon Clarke
Jordan Poole
Keldon Johnson
Kevin Porter Jr.

were all in their 2nd seasons last year and sure did help their teams. Now, I'm not going to go thru and calculate which ones were 1-and-done but I'm guessing it was most of them. Quite a few 1st and 2nd year players, especially out of the lottery, become integral members of rotations and starting units
 
All of that is beside the point I'm making, which is that I doubt they would have gone all-in on the tank if the pick earned by tanking would be required for a Grant trade. And given the effort made to procure such pick, if they intend to trade it for a veteran player, I seriously doubt it will be for a middling player such as Grant.
That's why I'm scared. The amount of the TPE is too perfect to not have had Grant in mind. Dame and Grant being seen together in Portland confirms Dame will want him. If the Pistons wanted the Bucks 2025 1st I think Grant would already be a Blazer.

It's why I always come back to this: The plan to trade all those guys and create "flexibility" was a good plan! However, in order to execute a plan like that you need assets to pull it off or you need to get lucky (i.e. the pick moving up).

Almost every asset they currently have to help them this year they already had on the roster or in the case of their own 1st, could've tanked whether they made the tradeaor not. If they use those few assets on Grant, man that's tough to justify trading a those guys and tanking for.

What's even scarier is thinking about what might happen if Cronin finds a way to get our future 1sts tradeable again. I think that pick owed to Chicago saved us already from overpaying for Grant.
 
I don't know about that

Anthony Edwards
LaMelo Ball
Tyrese Haliburton
Cole Anthony
Tyrese Maxey
Immanuel Quickley
Desmond Bane

were all in their 2nd seasons this year and certainly helped their teams this season

in fact,

Cade Cunningham
Jalen Green
Evan Mobley
Scottie Barnes
Jalen Suggs
Josh Giddey
Jonathan Kuminga
Franz Wagner
Davion Mitchell
Chris Duarte
Bones Hyland
Herbert Jones

were all rookies this year and certainly helped their teams

and,

Ja Morant
RJ Barrett
De'Andre Hunter
Darius Garland
Coby White
Rui Hachimura
Cameron Johnson
P.J. Washington
Tyler Herro
Brandon Clarke
Jordan Poole
Keldon Johnson
Kevin Porter Jr.

were all in their 2nd seasons last year and sure did help their teams. Now, I'm not going to go thru and calculate which ones were 1-and-done but I'm guessing it was most of them. Quite a few 1st and 2nd year players, especially out of the lottery, become integral members of rotations and starting units
Yeah, the whole draft picks don't help for several years theory has been destroyed for at least 5 years now. The caveat is you have to pick the right player, but blanketed statements about draft picks not helping right away aren't true.
 
I don't know about that

Anthony Edwards
LaMelo Ball
Tyrese Haliburton
Cole Anthony
Tyrese Maxey
Immanuel Quickley
Desmond Bane

were all in their 2nd seasons this year and certainly helped their teams this season

in fact,

Cade Cunningham
Jalen Green
Evan Mobley
Scottie Barnes
Jalen Suggs
Josh Giddey
Jonathan Kuminga
Franz Wagner
Davion Mitchell
Chris Duarte
Bones Hyland
Herbert Jones

were all rookies this year and certainly helped their teams

and,

Ja Morant
RJ Barrett
De'Andre Hunter
Darius Garland
Coby White
Rui Hachimura
Cameron Johnson
P.J. Washington
Tyler Herro
Brandon Clarke
Jordan Poole
Keldon Johnson
Kevin Porter Jr.

were all in their 2nd seasons last year and sure did help their teams. Now, I'm not going to go thru and calculate which ones were 1-and-done but I'm guessing it was most of them. Quite a few 1st and 2nd year players, especially out of the lottery, become integral members of rotations and starting units
The point is more. Help them do what? Win a few more games? Blazers could have won a bunch more games.
Make the playoffs? Doesn’t seem like simply making the playoffs has been good enough.
I can see trying to rebuild at this point but it ain’t gonna happen in a year.
 
That's why I'm scared. The amount of the TPE is too perfect to not have had Grant in mind. Dame and Grant being seen together in Portland confirms Dame will want him. If the Pistons wanted the Bucks 2025 1st I think Grant would already be a Blazer.

It's why I always come back to this: The plan to trade all those guys and create "flexibility" was a good plan! However, in order to execute a plan like that you need assets to pull it off or you need to get lucky (i.e. the pick moving up).

Almost every asset they currently have to help them this year they already had on the roster or in the case of their own 1st, could've tanked whether they made the tradeaor not. If they use those few assets on Grant, man that's tough to justify trading a those guys and tanking for.

What's even scarier is thinking about what might happen if Cronin finds a way to get our future 1sts tradeable again. I think that pick owed to Chicago saved us already from overpaying for Grant.

dame isn’t the GM, and if Cronin was willing to trade his best friend then I’m confident he’ll do what’s best for the team, not for Lillard. Only way I see him trading our pick for Grant is if we drop in the lottery multiple spots.
 
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Zach is rumored to be having knee surgery this Summer. Enough said.

Rather keep Ant, Nurk and Hart.


Can’t see the addition of Zach financially fitting without a complete gutting of the current roster. And with a bum knee….I would have to pass
 
dame isn’t the GM, and if Cronin was willing to trade his best friend then I’m confident he’ll do what’s best for the team, not for Lillard. Only way I see him trading our pick for Grant is if we drop in the lottery multiple spots.
I don't want Grant, so I sure hope you're right.
 
maybe I'm dense but I can't tell what is is you're saying there...?
Kind of have to read the whole context of the conversation. I'm not sure just getting a rookie to help the team become a contender (Which is what i assume we are all looking for) is going to put them in that position.
Getting a good pick 1-4 5,6, and getting Grant might help a bunch but still not sure?
It's where the team is right now so we wait and see while continue to hope for the best.
 
Zach is rumored to be having knee surgery this Summer. Enough said.

Rather keep Ant, Nurk and Hart.


Can’t see the addition of Zach financially fitting without a complete gutting of the current roster. And with a bum knee….I would have to pass

Aren’t we still in the process of gutting the roster though? It’s not like we are finished.
 
If Levine came to Portland does that mean Ant would go in the grant trade?
 

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