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maxiep said:
Those instructions are secondary to the evidence presented.

And why do you hate Hispanics so much?
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I don't hate hispanics in the least.

Those instructions are what the jury considered. If the judge gave them the first instructions, they may well have come to the conclusion his self defense strategy was a FAIL.

I also never have said the jury got it wrong. The law is what's wrong.

Why do you hate young black boys so much?
 
Denny Crane said:
I don't hate hispanics in the least.

Those instructions are what the jury considered. If the judge gave them the first instructions, they may well have come to the conclusion his self defense strategy was a FAIL.

I also never have said the jury got it wrong. The law is what's wrong.

Why do you hate young black boys so much?
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See, unlike you, I actually have had to defend that ridiculous notion that because I'm not upset that mob rule didn't triumph, therefore I'm a racist. Isn't it lovely to have the shoe on the other foot?

So, we now have it. You think Florida law is wrong. Your beef isn't with the jury, or the attorneys, or the judge, it's the law. Got it. So, why should Zimmerman have been convicted under the existing law? Like it or not, that's the law he has to abide.
 
maxiep said:
See, unlike you, I actually have had to defend that ridiculous notion that because I'm not upset that mob rule didn't triumph, therefore I'm a racist. Isn't it lovely to have the shoe on the other foot?

So, we now have it. You think Florida law is wrong. Your beef isn't with the jury, or the attorneys, or the judge, it's the law. Got it. So, why should Zimmerman have been convicted under the existing law? Like it or not, that's the law he has to abide.
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It's not mob rule at issue, dude. It's the law was changed with a very negative impact. If Zimmerman had killed the kid (and he did kill the kid) in 2004, he'd have gone to prison for 30 years, minimum.

The so-called LIVs get it.

Hard to believe the so-called "high information voters" don't.

EDIT: there is a thing called jury nullification, but they blew it.
 
Denny Crane said:
It's not mob rule at issue, dude. It's the law was changed with a very negative impact. If Zimmerman had killed the kid (and he did kill the kid) in 2004, he'd have gone to prison for 30 years, minimum.

The so-called LIVs get it.

Hard to believe the so-called "high information voters" don't.

EDIT: there is a thing called jury nullification, but they blew it.
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Mob rule is why George Zimmerman was tried in the first place. The police that investigated George Zimmerman--the same George Zimmerman that stood against the Sanford police a couple of years earlier in an abuse case--declined to charge him. Then Barack Obama and the rest of the race hustlers turned up the heat because this "white Hispanic" "racially profiled" and "hunted down like a dog in the street" this sweet, little African-American boy. So the State of Florida, under political pressure, acted and went to court with a case so shitty they couldn't even prove manslaughter.

Now the mob is back in the street, demanding Eric Holder charge Zimmerman with a hate crime. Ridiculous.
 
maxiep said:
Mob rule is why George Zimmerman was tried in the first place. The police that investigated George Zimmerman--the same George Zimmerman that stood against the Sanford police a couple of years earlier in an abuse case--declined to charge him. Then Barack Obama and the rest of the race hustlers turned up the heat because this "white Hispanic" "racially profiled" and "hunted down like a dog in the street" this sweet, little African-American boy. So the State of Florida, under political pressure, acted and went to court with a case so shitty they couldn't even prove manslaughter.

Now the mob is back in the street, demanding Eric Holder charge Zimmerman with a hate crime. Ridiculous.
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He should have been tried in the first place. There was the body of a dead boy. It's not the police's job to determine the truth, that role belongs to the courts. The cops not arresting him for 40 days was due to the fucked up law (it was a stand your ground case all along, even then).

So do you think all civil rights marches were just mobs, too? That's what this is.
 
Denny Crane said:
He should have been tried in the first place. There was the body of a dead boy. It's not the police's job to determine the truth, that role belongs to the courts. The cops not arresting him for 40 days was due to the fucked up law (it was a stand your ground case all along, even then).

So do you think all civil rights marches were just mobs, too? That's what this is.
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They're not asking for equal rights; they're demanding someone be lynched.

50 years after the civil rights marches, it's Bizzaro World.
 
maxiep said:
They're not asking for equal rights; they're demanding someone be lynched.

50 years after the civil rights marches, it's Bizzaro World.
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and remember, many of the "protests" have been orgonized by your government
 
maxiep said:
They're not asking for equal rights; they're demanding someone be lynched.

50 years after the civil rights marches, it's Bizzaro World.
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They're demanding someone pay for lynching the 17-year-old black boy.

High information voter. Go figure.
 
RoyToy said:
I guessed you missed it last time I said it

Examiners already said his injuries aren't consistent with getting his head bashed into the pavement. It's that simple. It's also not even known if he actually broke his nose.

Right to kill him based on that? Nope. Since when does losing a fight mean you get to shoot someone? The right to self-defense was grossly applied here.
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Is the intent of "Whoop Ass" to inflict great bodily harm?
 
Denny Crane said:
He should have been tried in the first place. There was the body of a dead boy. It's not the police's job to determine the truth, that role belongs to the courts. The cops not arresting him for 40 days was due to the fucked up law (it was a stand your ground case all along, even then).

So do you think all civil rights marches were just mobs, too? That's what this is.
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Wrong! It is the job of the District Attorney to bring charges when he has evidence that a law has been violated. Not to please all kibitzers. There was no violation as you know, the jury found the man "Not Guilty".

For your info, 16 states have Stand Your Ground statutes. 17 more do not require retreat before using force in self defense, including Oregon. But tell me, is the intent of a "Whoop Ass" to cause great bodily harm?

If you answer no it's just for fun, Then tell me how often you want be receiving a Whoop Ass?
 
MarAzul said:
Wrong! It is the job of the District Attorney to bring charges when he has evidence that a law has been violated. Not to please all kibitzers. There was no violation as you know, the jury found the man "Not Guilty".

For your info, 16 states have Stand Your Ground statutes. 17 more do not require retreat before using force in self defense, including Oregon. But tell me, is the intent of a "Whoop Ass" to cause great bodily harm?

If you answer no it's just for fun, Then tell me how often you want be receiving a Whoop Ass?
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/16/3502481/juror-we-talked-stand-your-ground.html

Juror: Stand Your Ground played role in verdict

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/06/11/study-says-stand-your-ground-laws-increase-homicides/

Justifiable homicides nearly doubled from 2000 to 2010, according to the most recent data available, when 326 were reported. The data, provided by federal and state law enforcement agencies, showed a sharp increase in justifiable homicides occurred after 2005, when Florida and 16 other states passed the laws.
 
Trayvon Riots coming to beverly hills tonight! :cheers:

get dat versace!

:MARIS61:
 
35 pages of back and forth arguments, and I'm gonna assume no ones opinion has changed in this thread. Wow.
 
ehizzy3 said:
35 pages of back and forth arguments, and I'm gonna assume no ones opinion has changed in this thread. Wow.
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Actually, I'll admit that my opinion of the case as a whole has changed, with my disagreement more focused now on the law itself rather than anything else. These were two imperfect people who got caught up in an event, and all the dirty laundry that airs really is a shame to both of them. Either person could have defused the situation, but neither did, and we're sitting her arguing over this case because both people made some significant, life-altering mistakes that didn't seem like much individually, but stacked up until they couldn't be taken back. It's tragic, and I empathize with both sides of the story now, where I didn't earlier in the discussion.
 
ehizzy3 said:
35 pages of back and forth arguments, and I'm gonna assume no ones opinion has changed in this thread. Wow.
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no. right now, its just a matter of my side exposing their side as absolute buffoons. :MARIS61:
 
MarAzul said:
Is the intent of "Whoop Ass" to inflict great bodily harm?
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Where was the great bodily harm?

45 sec fight and there were only minor injuries. There was no great bodily harm done to Zimmerman. He's just a pussy.
 
RoyToy said:
Where was the great bodily harm?

45 sec fight and there were only minor injuries. There was no great bodily harm done to Zimmerman. He's just a pussy.
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Well, the point of defending yourself with lethal force is to stop an attack before you turn into a vegetable.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Well, the point of defending yourself with lethal force is to stop an attack before you turn into a vegetable.
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In 45 seconds there were only pretty minor injuries. Doubtful it would get more severe than that.

Lost a regular fight and used a gun. He should be behind bars.
 
RoyToy said:
In 45 seconds there were only pretty minor injuries. Doubtful it would get more severe than that.

Lost a regular fight and used a gun. He should be behind bars.
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So if Trayvon beat him to unconsciousness, then he wouldn't have kept on..he would have bandaged up his wounds and nursed him back to safety?

He also wouldn't have stolen his gun (despite indications on Trayvon's cell phone he was looking to get a gun).
 
ehizzy3 said:
35 pages of back and forth arguments, and I'm gonna assume no ones opinion has changed in this thread. Wow.
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My opinion did change. Last year, when only a few facts were available and the media jumped on this story disseminating a lot of untruths and half-truths, I had the idea that Zimmerman, a trained fighter and wannabe copy, who was larger and weighed more than skinny child, had lied about his claim of self-defense and fearing for his life, because there was no way this MAN could be overpowered by a CHILD, and because (as was reported at the time of the incident) he had no visible injuries.

The more time passed, the more the truth seeped out (you sometimes had to look for it). Well before the trial, I had changed my mind about Zimmerman's guilt. The trial was a disaster for the prosecution, so that only confirmed the change.

It is people that can't adjust to facts, reality, changing information, new information, etc. that drive me crazy.
 
Let me translate: Holder wants relief from the pressure to prosecute Zimmerman, so he's shifting to a topic that has nothing to do with Zimmerman but that low-information people think has to do with Zimmerman. (Zimmerman was pinned down before he decided his life was on the line, and he had no route of escape.)
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It's LIV's Ammurriccaa, and we're just living in it.
 
RoyToy said:
In 45 seconds there were only pretty minor injuries. Doubtful it would get more severe than that.

Lost a regular fight and used a gun. He should be behind bars.
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I wasn't there. You weren't there. I'm merely saying, if what he said was true, and Martin was on top of him and was slamming his head into the ground, the shoot would be justified.

Losing a fight is one thing, but when someone has you in a position of submission, and they show no signs of letting up, you are justified to defend yourself. How many people have been beaten into a coma or to the point of brain damage because they "lost a fight"?

There's a reason why fighting is called "assault". It's nothing like the movies and people get seriously hurt.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
So if Trayvon beat him to unconsciousness, then he wouldn't have kept on..he would have bandaged up his wounds and nursed him back to safety?

He also wouldn't have stolen his gun (despite indications on Trayvon's cell phone he was looking to get a gun).
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In 45 seconds (which isn't exactly a short fight) Zimmerman sustained only minor injuries. Can't say it enough.

But he "feared for his life".

No, he's just a pussy who pulled a gun. Weak shit.
 
RoyToy said:
Where was the great bodily harm?

45 sec fight and there were only minor injuries. There was no great bodily harm done to Zimmerman. He's just a pussy.
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There is no point whatsoever in the natural right of self-defense, if in order to exercise such right, you must be at death's door.
 
RoyToy said:
In 45 seconds there were only pretty minor injuries. Doubtful it would get more severe than that.

Lost a regular fight and used a gun. He should be behind bars.
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You were there?
 
RoyToy said:
In 45 seconds (which isn't exactly a short fight) Zimmerman sustained only minor injuries. Can't say it enough.

But he "feared for his life".

No, he's just a pussy who pulled a gun. Weak shit.
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What happens after 2 minutes of pounding one's head on the ground? You know, if Zimmerman didn't act quick and defend himself?
 
RoyToy said:
In 45 seconds there were only pretty minor injuries. Doubtful it would get more severe than that.

Lost a regular fight and used a gun. He should be behind bars.
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What the fuck is a regular fight? A smart man in a fight assumes death is seconds away and it's your responsibility to see the other fellow is the first to go.

You should read you the law, Oregon Revised Statutes 161. Especially161.209 since you live in Oregon. Florida also permits use of force in self defense.

Take note, there was no referee present when Trayvon went work on Whoop Ass.


http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/161.html
 
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