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hoojacks said:
please please please lead the board exodus... we swear we're right behind you
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Nobody leads a board exodus. They just happen. With the race-baiting President we have now, and LIVs who blindly accept what he says, it will happen soon enough.
 
How do you feel about Holder pandering to you guys Denny. He whines about the SYG laws but that belongs to the States. And he promises to look into civil rights violations, but again just pander noise. The FBI already spent a friggin year trying to hang Zimmerman with that noose.

Don't you feel a little used when you hear this sorry specimen of leadership tug on the heart strings one more time?
 
PapaG said:
Nobody leads a board exodus. They just happen. With the race-baiting President we have now, and LIVs who blindly accept what he says, it will happen soon enough.
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If Obama were to be responsible for driving all the right wingers from this board, I might regret not voting for him.
 
A similar case already happened in 2009 under Obama, only the 'races' were reversed. I say 'races', because Zimmerman is half-Hispanic. Where are the marches for Chris Cervini? One big difference is that Scott was never touched by Cervini, though.

What if Trayvon Had Been White, and the Shooter Black?

What would happen if a black man armed with a handgun confronted "suspicious persons" in his neighborhood? What would happen if the "suspicious persons" were unarmed white teens, one of them was shot dead, and the shooter claimed self-defense?

This is not an exercise in mere speculation. We know what would happen in such a case. There would be no white mobs in the street chanting "No justice, no peace!" There would be no whites holding a "million hoodie march" in New York City. There would be no white equivalent of Al Sharpton, the professional race-baiter behind the 1987 Tawana Brawley hoax, leading marches in the streets of the shooter's hometown. There would be no Federal civil rights investigation by the Justice Department. There would be no comments from a president who seems congenitally unable to keep his mouth shut on matters involving left-wing political correctness. And there would be no national media attention from biased, left-wing "reporters."

We know this because in fact, such an event occurred in 2009 in Greece, N.Y., a suburb of Rochester. Roderick Scott, a black man, shot and killed an unarmed white teen, Christopher Cervini, whom he believed was burglarizing a neighbor's car, with a licensed .40 cal. handgun.

There are many similarities between the Scott-Cervini case and the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin case in Florida. In both cases, there had been a spate of criminal activity in the neighborhood. In both cases, the shooters called 911 to report suspicious activity, yet chose to confront the unarmed suspects outside their residence and off their own property prior to the arrival of the police. In both cases, the shooters claimed that they felt threatened, and fired in self-defense. In both cases, local law enforcement applied relevant state law.

Unlike Florida, New York does not have a "stand your ground" law. New York law allows a person to use deadly force to defend his residence from home invasion only as a last resort. It does not allow the use of deadly force to prevent a property crime, and requires retreat if possible. Thus, while Zimmerman was not arrested under Florida law, Scott was tried for manslaughter.

New York law does allow a person to use deadly force anywhere, including off his own property, if he feels that his life is in imminent danger and retreat is not possible. Despite the fact that he left his own property, confronted, and shot dead an unarmed white person thought to be committing a petty property crime, Scott was acquitted by a majority-white jury after claiming that the Cervini charged at him, putting him in imminent fear of his life.

Despite the racial difference between the shooter and the decedent, there were no allegations of racial bias. Scott was not charged with a hate crime. There was no Federal civil rights investigation. There were no white protests. The case was settled for what it was: a tragedy caused by a series of poor decisions on behalf of the shooter, and a split-second decision that will forever be second-guessed.

In all probability, the actions of Zimmerman in Florida were also based on a series of poor decisions: the decision to follow a suspect after a police dispatcher told him not to, the decision to confront a suspect with a firearm off his own property, and a split-second decision to shoot an unarmed person when Zimmerman felt his life was in imminent danger, resulting in tragedy. But a tragedy is not necessarily a Federal civil rights case - unless the mobs in the streets and their allies in the media and government want to make it one.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012...hite_and_the_shooter_black.html#ixzz2ZN5lksfw
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MarAzul said:
How do you feel about Holder pandering to you guys Denny. He whines about the SYG laws but that belongs to the States. And he promises to look into civil rights violations, but again just pander noise. The FBI already spent a friggin year trying to hang Zimmerman with that noose.

Don't you feel a little used when you hear this sorry specimen of leadership tug on the heart strings one more time?
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I think Holder is saying what the national District Attorneys Association is saying about the laws. He's doing his job.

As far as the open investigation, I don't know anyone who thinks it is going to result in anything substantial. It's really hard to prove there was any outright racist or hate intent. The most I think you can say is that Zimmerman saw Martin as "suspicious" because he was black and wearing a hoodie, and that is a problem.

At the very least, nobody will be able to say they didn't give it every opportunity.

I'm no fan of this administration, and I think Holder should resign for lying to congress.

On the other hand, the congressional black caucus came out yesterday with a proposed bill that I think makes sense. I wonder what parts of it you would oppose:

1. Law enforcement agents to be prohibited from racial profiling. This does not mean they can't be on the lookout for a black male if they've got a report of a black male committed a crime recently.

2. Overturn stand your ground laws.

3. Better training for neighborhood watch volunteers.
 
hoojacks said:
If Obama were to be responsible for driving all the right wingers from this board, I might regret not voting for him.
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Once again the Left celebrates diversity...as long as it's exactly like them.
 
Some people can't go a day without pushing bullshit down the throats of anyone that will listen. It's like they can't go without turning a topic into right vs. Left.

This thread deserves to be flushed down the internet toilet.
 
For one of the Mods (or anyone else who might know):

What is the longest thread in the Blazer OT section? I think this one has a chance of beating it at some point (if you don't include the NSFW stickies).
 
Why some people get so riled up on message boards beats me.

It's like going on a site to specifically pick a fight and have your right vs. Left argument so you can go to sleep feeling like you shared the right opinion to some asshole that thinks differently than you.

That'll show him!
 
maxiep said:
Once again the Left celebrates diversity...as long as it's exactly like them.
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What's more, you jump on me on not him? Did you even read what PapaG said, that it will literally be Obama's fault if there is a board exodus. :crazy:
 
hoojacks said:
oh shut up. can't you recognize PapaG-directed hyperbole when you see it? take the audience into consideration
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Once again, one side of the political spectrum loves the 1st Amendment, as long as they agree with it. When they don't, they tell you to shut up or label it hate speech.
 
Denny Crane said:
I think Holder is saying what the national District Attorneys Association is saying about the laws. He's doing his job.

As far as the open investigation, I don't know anyone who thinks it is going to result in anything substantial. It's really hard to prove there was any outright racist or hate intent. The most I think you can say is that Zimmerman saw Martin as "suspicious" because he was black and wearing a hoodie, and that is a problem.

>> It seems Zimmerman did not know the kid. That should not occur in a neighborhood with a watch program. Every new resident should be made know to the watch. Why didn't this happen? Why didn't Trayvon know there were neighborhood watch guys?
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At the very least, nobody will be able to say they didn't give it every opportunity.

I'm no fan of this administration, and I think Holder should resign for lying to congress.

On the other hand, the congressional black caucus came out yesterday with a proposed bill that I think makes sense. I wonder what parts of it you would oppose:

1. Law enforcement agents to be prohibited from racial profiling. This does not mean they can't be on the lookout for a black male if they've got a report of a black male committed a crime recently.

>>>> I don't think this has anything to do with this case but I don't find anything wrong with
racial profiling to solve a problem. Prohibiting it is an illogical feel good measure. You probably want to prohibit it for routine stuff like traffic stops for sobriety checks. Nor does it make sense to check for illegals aliens that you are not going to deport anyway.
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2. Overturn stand your ground laws.

>>> This is a state issue and the Federal government as no business in the issue unless there is an amendment to the Constitution making it the business of Congress. Since it is not there currently, the 10th amendment assigns to issue to the people of the States by default.
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3. Better training for neighborhood watch volunteers.[/QUOTE

>>> A ridiculous suggestion to have the Federal government get involved with a program that is run by neighborhoods. Even the state nor the Counties run these programs, local people do. Although I will say the people of Trayvon's neighborhood did not do so well. His parents should have made him aware of the fact there was a neighborhood watch and also introduced him to the Watch! They also should have made him aware that doing Whoop Ass on the watch was a no no.

Since the main thing of a neighborhood watch is to be on the look out for unknown people about, every resident should be known to the watch. In my neighborhood all the Real Estate people know to introduce new comers to the Board of directors of the neighborhood. The
Watch knows everyone and everyone knows all of the watch. We also have signs up through out the neighborhood that the area is protected by the watch program, all new comers should check in with the Board of Directors.


Knowing the way is ought to be, it sure is hard to blame George Zimmerman for the failures to communicate that resulted in this tragedy. But I don't see some Congressman fixing the problem, nor Eric Holder.
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MarAzul said:
How do you feel about Holder pandering to you guys Denny. He whines about the SYG laws but that belongs to the States. And he promises to look into civil rights violations, but again just pander noise. The FBI already spent a friggin year trying to hang Zimmerman with that noose.

Don't you feel a little used when you hear this sorry specimen of leadership tug on the heart strings one more time?
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Here is a good summation opinion piece of what is happening now with Holder and what has happened. I couldn't help but see a lot of Denny in the ideas that are mocked in the piece:

Let’s take the advice of the attorney general of the United States. Let’s have a national conversation about race in the wake of the Zimmerman case. Let’s make it a painfully honest conversation — except about all the things that are painful for us to admit.

Let’s take a tragedy and make it a racial crime. Let’s not acknowledge the evidence suggesting that Trayvon Martin was beating George Zimmerman. Let’s never, ever admit that if Martin hadn’t hit Zimmerman, he would almost certainly be alive today.​




Let’s act as if the main threat to young black men in America is overzealous neighborhood watch volunteers who erroneously consider them suspicious, call the police and follow them, then shoot them in self-defense after a violent altercation in confusing circumstances that will never be entirely disentangled. Let’s pretend that this happens all the time.
Let’s send down the memory hole reports of burglaries and attempted break-ins in Zimmerman’s community that, according to a Reuters report, “had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.”

Let’s ignore that Zimmerman is from a mixed-race household. Let’s forget that he initially didn’t mention Martin’s race on his 911 call and said he “looks black” only when prompted by the operator. Let’s disregard testimony about his good character, lest it get in the way of the national dialogue about how he’s a racist murder who got away with it.

Let’s say the trial was about race in America or about whether black men can walk home from the store or any other insipid, racially charged nonsense to fill the air or the column inches. The national conversation cannot afford to get mired down in legal niceties like what constitutes lawful self-defense, let alone reasonable doubt....

Let’s not talk about the 90 percent of black murder victims killed by other blacks. That is not a fit topic for the nation’s wide-ranging national conversation. Why should we get worked up about something that happens on the streets of Chicago literally every night? If you are bothered by routine slaughter, sadly, you just don’t get it. For national conversation purposes, not all murders are equal.

Let’s listen to the attorney general inveigh against Stand Your Ground laws and make believe that he knows what the hell he’s talking about. Let’s ignore that the Stand Your Ground law wasn’t the reason the Sanford, Fla., police initially didn’t arrest Zimmerman and that it had nothing to do with the trial.

In short, let’s take a terrible event and make it a festival for all our ideological and racial ax-grinding and a showcase for our inability or unwillingness to reason clearly. Let’s do it in perpetually high dudgeon and while simultaneously patting ourselves on the back about our fearlessness and honesty.​



 
Lowry's article was better in the original german.
 
maxiep said:
Once again, one side of the political spectrum loves the 1st Amendment, as long as they agree with it. When they don't, they tell you to shut up or label it hate speech.
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You cannot be serious. You're taking ridiculous banter between me and PapaG and trying to make some liberals hate freedom point out of it? I'm telling you to shut up because you are practically trolling at this point.
 
here are some of the peaceful protests, as so eloquently stated by the news.

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hoojacks said:
You cannot be serious. You're taking ridiculous banter between me and PapaG and trying to make some liberals hate freedom point out of it? I'm telling you to shut up because you are practically trolling at this point.
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I'm just posting reactions to posts I read. If it's just you and PapaG having good clean fun and you don't mean what you wrote, then I apologize for misunderstanding the context.
 
maxiep said:
I'm just posting reactions to posts I read. If it's just you and PapaG having good clean fun and you don't mean what you wrote, then I apologize for misunderstanding the context.
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When it's PapaG, I gotta fight fire with fire and get down to the hyperbolic, belligerent level he's constantly operating in. When it's you, I try to keep it a little more high minded.

either way, i don't blame you for not wanting to slog through 39 pages of this garbage to find the exact context.
 
After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."
 
For the first time in his presidency, he's made a fairly long statement on race issues. About time.
 
Obama also suggested that the outcome of the case could have been different if Martin were white. "If a white male teen would have been involved in this scenario," he said, "both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different."
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He inflamed you, that's for sure.
 
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