Zimmerman Case - Lightning Rod

[OregonHuskerMan]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

What? Low Info Amurrrica, right in this guy.

Who doesn't know what happened now, bruh? Get your info right.

 

[Denny Crane]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

I don't see any motive for the kid to seek out and attack Zimmerman. The 911 tape makes it clear the kid ran away toward the exit of the subdivision.

Zimmerman had no business chasing the kid down. Once he caught him, something he did either caused the kid to attack him or he attacked the kid. He had a gun. He hunted the kid and shot him. The 911 tape is damning evidence.

 

[maxiep]

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Just stating that, if they were both still alive, I don't think "whoever" through the first punch would be acceptable in this case due to stand your ground. He could easily feel his life was in danger (BY A GUN) and punch him - in self defense - and it wouldn't be assault.

Or they could ignore stand your ground. We don't know.

You're speculating wildly. If that were the case, you don't think the State of Florida would have argued it?

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

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You're speculating wildly. If that were the case, you don't think the State of Florida would have argued it?

I think Trayvon isn't alive to say whether it was self defense or not.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

I don't see any motive for the kid to seek out and attack Zimmerman. The 911 tape makes it clear the kid ran away toward the exit of the subdivision.

Zimmerman had no business chasing the kid down. Once he caught him, something he did either caused the kid to attack him or he attacked the kid. He had a gun. He hunted the kid and shot him. The 911 tape is damning evidence.

Evidence? That isnt damning evidence at all. You are speculating without anything to back your shit up with. Just walking around seeing whats going on isnt enough for someone to attack zimmerman (which was presented at trial). The prosecution had zero evidence to go off on

hoop fam

 

[Denny Crane]

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Evidence? That isnt damning evidence at all. You are speculating without anything to back your shit up with.

hoop fam

Speculate away. What was the kid's motive for attacking Zimmerman?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

Speculate away. What was the kid's motive for attacking Zimmerman?

We dont know. Reasonable doubt.

 

[maxiep]

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I think Trayvon isn't alive to say whether it was self defense or not.

Ah, Nebraska. Where the "N" stands for "nowledge".

 

[VanillaGorilla]

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We dont know. Reasonable doubt.

You obviously like to speculate, so here's a hypothetical.

If Zimmerman hadn't used his gun, and Martin had killed Zimmerman, what would the legal ramifications be for Martin beating to death a man who was chasing him with a gun?

 

[Denny Crane]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

We dont know. Reasonable doubt.

Corpse. No doubt. The bullet from Zimmerman's gun killed him. No doubt.

 

[Denny Crane]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

You obviously like to speculate, so here's a hypothetical.

If Zimmerman hadn't used his gun, and Martin had killed Zimmerman, what would the legal ramifications be for Martin beating to death a man who was chasing him with a gun?

You'll like this:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/26/why-does-it-matter-when-and-why-george-z

 

[PapaG]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

I don't see any motive for the kid to seek out and attack Zimmerman. The 911 tape makes it clear the kid ran away toward the exit of the subdivision.

Zimmerman had no business chasing the kid down. Once he caught him, something he did either caused the kid to attack him or he attacked the kid. He had a gun. He hunted the kid and shot him. The 911 tape is damning evidence.

Sorry, you have no idea what you're talking about, if you actually followed the trial. The prosecution didn't even make that case of Zimmerman hunting him down, and no 911 call proved that was the case.

 

[Denny Crane]

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Sorry, you have no idea what you're talking about, if you actually followed the trial.

Noffke: He's running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

Noffke: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

Zimmerman: The back entrance…fucking [unintelligible].

Noffke: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah

Noffke: OK, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: OK.

(he did anyway)

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

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Ah, Nebraska. Where the "N" stands for "nowledge".

I am not sure how that has anything to do with the discourse we are currently engaged in.


Tell me, if I chase you down with a gun pointed at you and you get hostile with me and I kill you - how on Earth are they going to say you were doing it out of self-defense if the only account they have of our interaction is my account? Obviously, you cannot say you were scared for your life, thus you tried to disarm me... because you're dead. Hard to file an assault charge when you don't know what happened. Exactly why this man is walking free. He could be innocent, or he could be guilty. We don't know. We only have his size and some brief eyewitness accounts that see the tail end of the confrontation.

 

[PapaG]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

You obviously like to speculate, so here's a hypothetical.

If Zimmerman hadn't used his gun, and Martin had killed Zimmerman, what would the legal ramifications be for Martin beating to death a man who was chasing him with a gun?

Zimmerman wasn't "chasing him with a gun".
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[EL PRESIDENTE]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

You obviously like to speculate, so here's a hypothetical.

If Zimmerman hadn't used his gun, and Martin had killed Zimmerman, what would the legal ramifications be for Martin beating to death a man who was chasing him with a gun?

Unknown.

hoop fam

 

[RoyToy]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

We dont know. Reasonable doubt.

Which is what this case came down to. Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, and there were too many unknowns for the prosecution to get a conviction. All we have is Zimmerman's account, which no doubt is probably biased and he could have easily left out key information damning to him (like say how the fight started, how it played out, when the gun was drawn, threats made, etc).

In the end this case to me is the prosecution couldn't prove Zimmerman was guilty, not the defense proving Zimmerman was innocent.

 

[PapaG]

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I am not sure how that has anything to do with the discourse we are currently engaged in.


Tell me, if I chase you down with a gun pointed at you and you get hostile with me and I kill you - how on Earth are they going to say you were doing it out of self-defense if the only account they have of our interaction is my account? Obviously, you cannot say you were scared for your life, thus you tried to disarm me... because you're dead. Hard to file an assault charge when you don't know what happened. Exactly why this man is walking free. He could be innocent, or he could be guilty. We don't know. We only have his size and some brief eyewitness accounts that see the tail end of the confrontation.

That's not what happened, though. The prosecution didn't even try to make that case. Did you even follow the trial?

LOW INFO AMMURRRICAAA ... ObamaLand.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

Corpse. No doubt. The bullet from Zimmerman's gun killed him. No doubt.

Ok. That isnt enough to dismiss self defense

hoop fam

 

[PapaG]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

Noffke: He's running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

Noffke: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

Zimmerman: The back entrance…fucking [unintelligible].

Noffke: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah

Noffke: OK, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: OK.

(he did anyway)

Wrong. Did you even follow the trial?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

Which is what this case came down to. Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, and there were too many unknowns for the prosecution to get a conviction. All we have is Zimmerman's account, which no doubt is probably biased and he could have easily left out key information damning to him (like say how the fight started, how it played out, when the gun was drawn, threats made, etc).

In the end this case to me is the prosecution couldn't prove Zimmerman was guilty, not the defense proving Zimmerman was innocent.

There never was any evidence to refute self defense to begin with. Shouldnt have even gone to trial.

hoop fam

 

[RoyToy]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

There never was any evidence to refute self defense to begin with. Shouldnt have even gone to trial.

hoop fam

It's like you read right over my post.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

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That's not what happened, though. The prosecution didn't even try to make that case. Did you even follow the trial?

LOW INFO AMMURRRICAAA ... ObamaLand.

I am not saying that is what happened. That was a hypothetical to illustrate my point as to why an assault charge was unreasonable with only one side of the story.

 

[PapaG]

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Who doesn't know what happened now, bruh? Get your info right.

You're the one claiming to know what happened, when the prosecution didn't even argue the case that Zimmerman was chasing Martin with a gun pointed at him.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

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That's not what happened, though. The prosecution didn't even try to make that case. Did you even follow the trial?

LOW INFO AMMURRRICAAA ... ObamaLand.

Also, you conveniently ignored the proof that I gave of Zimmerman stating that he had Trayvon pinned, face down.

Educate yourself, bruh. There is some info for you.

 

[PapaG]

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I am not saying that is what happened. That was a hypothetical to illustrate my point as to why an assault charge was unreasonable with only one side of the story.

Hypotheticals don't matter in the court of law, and witnesses corroborated what Zimmerman said. Plus, Zimmerman gave multiple statements to the police w/out an attorney present, and didn't fuck up his story even one time.

Get over it. Trayvon Martin died for no reason. All he had to do was go home during the 4 minutes when Zimmerman went back to his car and gave up following him. Instead, Martin needed to feel tough and try to beat down Zimmerman. He got killed for it. It happens. I can't wait until the Martin texts come out during a civil trial. Dude was a straight up thug.

 

[PapaG]

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Also, you conveniently ignored the proof that I gave of Zimmerman stating that he had Trayvon pinned, face down.

Educate yourself, bruh. There is some info for you.

Where is this proof? That's not at all what happened. LINK???? That never came up once during Zimmerman's statements to the cops, nor the trial.

Are you imagining it?

Link it, please.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

You're the one claiming to know what happened, when the prosecution didn't even argue the case that Zimmerman was chasing Martin with a gun pointed at him.

I never said he had a gun pointed at him. I said that he was chasing Trayvon Martin, with a gun. Did he not have a gun? Where did he get the gun if he didn't have the gun? He had a gun, that was most likely not visible OR it was visible and Trayvon decided to take action. Or not. WE DON'T KNOW. I'm more curious as to what happened PREVIOUS to Trayvon "mounting" Zimmerman and prior to Zimmerman MOUNTING him. Who was hostile first? What was said? Etc.

 

[PapaG]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

So where did Zimmerman say he had Martin pinned on the ground? I can't find it anywhere.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Re: Zimmerman Case - Lightening Rod

Hypotheticals don't matter in the court of law, and witnesses corroborated what Zimmerman said. Plus, Zimmerman gave multiple statements to the police w/out an attorney present, and didn't fuck up his story even one time.

Get over it. Trayvon Martin died for no reason. All he had to do was go home during the 4 minutes when Zimmerman went back to his car and gave up following him. Instead, Martin needed to feel tough and try to beat down Zimmerman. He got killed for it. It happens. I can't wait until the Martin texts come out during a civil trial. Dude was a straight up thug.

A hypothetical was presented by (forgot his name) about an assault charge and I orchestrated a scenario as to why I do not believe an assault charge is reasonable. This has nothing to do with you.