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PapaG said:
Prove it. You're the DA ... prove Zimmerman initiated contact. It's not up to Zimmerman's lawyer to prove he did not.

Although the entire "he didn't listen to 911 dispatch" is irrelevant, anyhow.
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If he causes the assault, it's not defense.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Of course we later learn that all his assumtions about Martin are wrong. he wasn't on drugs or had any weapon on him
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Toxicology did show THC in his body, but that doesn't mean the kid was high at the time.
 
westnob said:
Toxicology did show THC in his body, but that doesn't mean the kid was high at the time.
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It was a blood test, so it would be within an 8-10 hour window, though. That doesn't really matter to me, because what matters is if Trayvon did drugs at age 12, because that's the photo used of him.
 
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PapaG said:
Only the Obama DoJ, as they're still considering filing federal hate crime charges.

http://rt.com/usa/news/fbi-zimmerman-hate-crime-317/

If you guys are going to continue to comment, would it be too much to ask for you to actually follow the case? :dunno:
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LOL.

I'm not sure if you are following the case, but I am sure that you are blatently misrepresenting the evidence.

Atfer you said you listen to teh 911 call you said this about it:

This time, he followed the guy, until dispatch told him the didn't need him to do that. He said "these assholes always get away" as he went back to his vehicle.

That is what you tried to pass off as what is fact based on the 911 call, when it wasn't even close to that.

If you are going to continue to comment, would it be too much to ask that you actually follow the evidence.
 
westnob said:
You can hear him continue to follow, the wind sound picks up when he starts running, and continues after he is told he doesn't need to follow. Then the wind sound dies back down. He only says he doesn't where TM is at because he couldn't keep up.
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If the wind sound continues after he said 'OK', isn't it possible that he ran back to the truck? What makes you so sure that he continued to follow?

Go Blazers
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
LOL.

I'm not sure if you are following the case, but I am sure that you are blatently misrepresenting the evidence.

Atfer you said you listen to teh 911 call you said this about it:

This time, he followed the guy, until dispatch told him the didn't need him to do that. He said "these assholes always get away" as he went back to his vehicle.

That is what you tried to pass off as what is fact based on the 911 call, when it wasn't even close to that.

If you are going to continue to comment, would it be too much to ask that you actually follow the evidence.
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He says he turned around and went to his car. He shot Martin very close to his car.

You forget that you support the DA in this instance. You claimed that Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher who said "we don't need you to do that".

Prove that Zimmerman kept following Trayvon, as a DA would argue it. That's what you're arguing, isn't it? It's up to you to prove that's what happened. I've asked you how many times now?
 
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PapaG said:
He says he turned around and went to his car. He shot Martin very close to his car.

You forget that you support the DA in this instance. You claimed that Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher who said "we don't need you to do that".

Prove that Zimmerman kept following Trayvon, as a DA would argue it. That's what you're arguing, isn't it? It's up to you to prove that's what happened. I've asked you how many times now?
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Is this a game and you are making up the rules? Why does anyone have to prove anything in this thread? None of us were there that night. A very small fraction of the evidence is probably even available to the media. My only issue (and I will be honest and say I have not given the case that much time) is that if the police did not get a statement from Zimmerman and attempt to independently verify his story, then that is extremely concerning. I do appreciate the updates in this thread here and there as I am taking some interest in the story, but the arguing about this case is really kind of odd. Frankly I am not even sure why anyone would take one side or the other. You guys should go on Nancy Grace.
 
Zybot said:
Is this a game and you are making up the rules? Why does anyone have to prove anything in this thread? None of us were there that night. A very small fraction of the evidence is probably even available to the media. My only issue (and I will be honest and say I have not given the case that much time) is that if the police did not get a statement from Zimmerman and attempt to independently verify his story, then that is extremely concerning. I do appreciate the updates in this thread here and there as I am taking some interest in the story, but the arguing about this case is really kind of odd. Frankly I am not even sure why anyone would take one side or the other. You guys should go on Nancy Grace.
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If somebody insists that Zimmerman followed Martin and defied the police, in our legal system, that's a claim that must be proven.

I'll say it again, but the lack of knowledge regarding reasonable doubt, and proving guilt versus "proving" innocence, saddens me. I thought we had a reasonably informed community here on S2.
 
oldguy said:
Based on what?

Go Blazers
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I dunno about y'all but I used to run 6-8 miles per day. And I still occasionally get winded. And it's after running. Is it possible he was winded after running and that's the wind? Just asking. I'll be listening to the tap here in about 15 minutes....
 
PapaG said:
If somebody insists that Zimmerman followed Martin and defied the police, in our legal system, that's a claim that must be proven.

I'll say it again, but the lack of knowledge regarding reasonable doubt, and proving guilt versus "proving" innocence, saddens me. I thought we had a reasonably informed community here on S2.
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I'm no judge, but it seems like posters here are asking the same about you and your judgments?
 
PapaG said:
He said as he went back to his vehicle. He shot Martin very close to his car.

You forget that you support the DA in this instance. You claimed that Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher who said "we don't need you to do that".

Prove that Zimmerman kept following Trayvon, as a DA would argue it. That's what you're arguing, isn't it? It's up to you to prove that's what happened. I've asked you how many times now?
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What are you talking about? I don't support the DA. I do think that GZ was pursuing Martin, but I have said countless times in this thread that it could be interpreted two different ways.

So nothing I'm trying to prove, just analyzing the evidence (like a jury will).

Now can you answer why you blatantly misrepresented facts when your said this right after listening to the 911 tape:

This time, he followed the guy, until dispatch told him the didn't need him to do that. He said "these assholes always get away" as he went back to his vehicle.

Guessing you will never address this because you got caught making up evidence and there is nothing to say.


And in this post you say:

He says he turned around and went to his car.

When does he say that papag? You have broken down the 911 call to seconds. At what point in the call do you hear him say I have turned around and going back to my car?

He doesn't. I get how one might draw that conclusion, but he never says it. In fact he in the end he tells the dispatch to have the officer call him to find out his location (that I can point you directly to). If he is going back to his car, why wouldn't he just meet the officer back at his car.

I'm not going to pretend to be prosecutor and try and convince you of anything (talk a bout an impossible task) . . . but what I won't do here, and wish you would stop, is make up facts to support what I believe.
 
I literally hadn't seen any facts about this until an hour ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

Is that page an accurate overview of the situation?

After reading all of that and listening to all of the tapes and having very basic knowledge of laws regarding this, Zimmerman is a murderer and should go to prison for a very very long time
 
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BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I'm no judge, but it seems like posters here are asking the same about you and your judgments?
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It's up to the prosecution to prove that Zimmerman followed Martin, not that I think it matters. It's not up to Zimmerman to prove he didn't follow Martin.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
What are you talking about? I don't support the DA. I do think that GZ was pursuing Martin, but I have said countless times in this thread that it could be interpreted two different ways.

So nothing I'm trying to prove, just analyzing the evidence (like a jury will).

Now can you answer why you blatantly misrepresented facts when your said this right after listening to the 911 tape:

This time, he followed the guy, until dispatch told him the didn't need him to do that. He said "these assholes always get away" as he went back to his vehicle.

Guessing you will never address this because you got caught making up evidence and there is nothing to say.


And in this post you say:

He says he turned around and went to his car.

When does he say that papag? You have broken down the 911 call to seconds. At what point in the call do you hear him say I have turned around and going back to my car?

He doesn't. I get how one might draw that conclusion, but he never says it. In fact he in the end he tells the dispatch to have the officer call him to find out his location (that I can point you directly to). If he is going back to his car, why wouldn't he just meet the officer back at his car.

I'm not going to pretend to be prosecutor and try and convince you of anything (talk a bout an impossible task) . . . but what I won't do here, and wish you would stop, is make up facts to support what I believe.
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He told police, while being questioned, that he turned around and went back to his car. Where did I say he said that on the 911 call? You're just making things up now.

Readers are leaders.
 
PapaG said:
It's up to the prosecution to prove that Zimmerman followed Martin, not that I think it matters. It's not up to Zimmerman to prove he didn't follow Martin.
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It "SHOULD" be up to the prosecution.

However, if this thread is any indication, a lot of people have already made up their minds against GZ.

It seems to me that the defense is going to have to work very hard.
 
PapaG said:
He told police, while being questioned, that he turned around and went back to his car. Where did I say he said that on the 911 call? You're just making things up now.

Readers are leaders.
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You are right papag (hey look at that). I did assume you were referring only to the 911 tape (it is what we are talking about)


Have you read a transcript of his interview? I have not and would love to (listening to it would be better). OF course I have to ask because you did slaughter the 911 tape so bad it is hard to take any interpretation you have of the evidence as legit.

Leaders are Readers
 
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