zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after attack.

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Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

That's just about as plausible as anything else you've said in this thread. Do you have a real answer?

I've given known facts in this thread. You've given zilch, as usual, other than vague bullshit.
 
Clearly we need to wait for the final talking point memo to come out.

Right now, the administration and media are floating trial balloons to see what might poll as plausible.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

I've given known facts in this thread. You've given zilch, as usual, other than vague bullshit.

I wasn't asking for "known facts," I was asking for an opinion as to why the events occurred the way they did. You obviously think you know what you're talking about. So what's the deal?
 
Biden said, "Bin Laden's dead, GM is alive."

He's trying to make the case the economy and foreign policy are the administration's strengths.

People clearly disagree about the economy, but the Nobel Peace Prize guy got Bin Laden. Can't argue with that.

Then, as if by October Surprise, the spotlight is focused on Arab Spring, Middle Eastern nations fell like dominos to Islamist extremists (or so it may appear), and our embassies attacked in numerous countries on the anniversary of 9/11.

Houston, we have a problem. We're patting ourselves on the back about the Bin Laden thing, and the terrorists killed our ambassador right under our noses. In a country we bombed and forced regime change.

Those nutty Muslims have a history of violent reaction to improper depiction of the prophets. Blame some guy who made a YouTube video months ago. Misdirection from the incompetence.

The narrative must be, "Bin Laden's dead, GM is alive" or Biden looks more foolish than usual. Obama looks incompetent on foreign policy and the economy.

The narrative really is, "the Volt is dead, Solyndra's dead, your home has been foreclosed on, our ambassador's dead, the deficit has never been so big."

Ironically, the last time on of our ambassadors was killed while on duty was in 1979, when a different Nobel Prize winner also was a miserable president.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

Biden said, "Bin Laden's dead, GM is alive."

He's trying to make the case the economy and foreign policy are the administration's strengths.

People clearly disagree about the economy, but the Nobel Peace Prize guy got Bin Laden. Can't argue with that.

Then, as if by October Surprise, the spotlight is focused on Arab Spring, Middle Eastern nations fell like dominos to Islamist extremists (or so it may appear), and our embassies attacked in numerous countries on the anniversary of 9/11.

Houston, we have a problem. We're patting ourselves on the back about the Bin Laden thing, and the terrorists killed our ambassador right under our noses. In a country we bombed and forced regime change.

Those nutty Muslims have a history of violent reaction to improper depiction of the prophets. Blame some guy who made a YouTube video months ago. Misdirection from the incompetence.

The narrative must be, "Bin Laden's dead, GM is alive" or Biden looks more foolish than usual. Obama looks incompetent on foreign policy and the economy.

The narrative really is, "the Volt is dead, Solyndra's dead, your home has been foreclosed on, our ambassador's dead, the deficit has never been so big."

Ironically, the last time on of our ambassadors was killed while on duty was in 1979, when a different Nobel Prize winner also was a miserable president.

This is nothing new, the US war mongers always fuck up and prop up dictators. They suck life out of the economy and butcher the most basic of tasks with their soviet-style military planning.
 
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Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

This is nothing new, the US war mongers always fuck up and prop up dictators. They sucks life out of the economy and butcher the most basic of tasks with their soviet-style military planning.

Someone who has no idea a) what US planning entails and b) what Soviet-style planning entailed.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

Someone who has no idea a) what US planning entails and b) what Soviet-style planning entailed.

Not really.

The facts are we just fucked up in Libya and trained a bunch of terrorists there. The US does what it wants and it does it inefficiently. If not for their semi-belief in Capitalism we would have collapsed long ago.

You're not a hero.
 
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Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

The facts are we just fucked up in Libya and trained a bunch of terrorists there. The US does what it wants, and it does it inefficiently. If not for their semi-belief in Capitalism we would have collapsed long ago.

You're not a hero.

In my eyes he is.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

In my eyes he is.

Based on? What do we even know about him? I was just talking shit but a great deal of military soldiers are smarter than Brian.
 
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Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

You are just talking shit.

The guy serves. He clearly knows his job and then quite a bit more.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

You are just talking shit.

The guy serves. He clearly knows his job and then quite a bit more.

Yeah based on what? I want specifics.

From what I know plenty of his peers disagree with him.

To me it just looks like you're slurping the state, for no reason. Perhaps he has some medals I'm not aware of? Lol.
 
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Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

Based on about 5 years of reading the guy's posts, and each time he goes off the grid he comes back even smarter.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

Based on about 5 years of reading the guy's posts, and each time he goes off the grid he comes back even smarter.

5 years of... what? What is he doing?

Specific things, not empty platitudes.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

Unless something has changed, he serves on a nuclear submarine in the Navy. What he's posted is an impressive knowledge of both how nuclear reactors work and are operated, and more recently (well, all along) his posts have demonstrated advanced military education. If he's not been taking classes, he's been studying on his own - more power to him.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

Unless something has changed, he serves on a nuclear submarine in the Navy. What he's posted is an impressive knowledge of both how nuclear reactors work and are operated, and more recently (well, all along) his posts have demonstrated advanced military education. If he's not been taking classes, he's been studying on his own - more power to him.

That doesn't make much sense.

Piloting a weapon can be extremely cowardly, actually. It depends on how he's behaved. I don't think you've really taken time to consider everything.
 
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Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

That doesn't make much sense.

Piloting a weapon can be extremely cowardly, actually. It depends on how he's behaved. I don't think you've really taken time to consider everything.

you really need a disclaimer, like Maris.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

That doesn't make much sense.

Piloting a weapon can be extremely cowardly, actually. It depends on how he's behaved. I don't think you've really taken time to consider everything.

How have you served your country? How have you made things better for your country, other than to talk shit about someone that does serve?

Go Blazers
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

FWIW, I also think BrianfromWA rocks and is trustworthy. Denny and I are in agreement yet again!
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

How have you served your country? How have you made things better for your country, other than to talk shit about someone that does serve?

Go Blazers

Yeah, the military kills hundreds of thousands of civilians in our last few major wars. I'm sure you don't really give a shit since they don't build monuments for immigrants, but it kind of bothers me.

You can't answer a simple question, what has he done? No one is automatically a hero, especially not people that believe in taxation-aggression to fund indiscriminate murder.
 
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Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

FWIW, I also think BrianfromWA rocks and is trustworthy. Denny and I are in agreement yet again!

What does that have to do with anything?

I think LeBron James rocks, he's a dumbfuck on real world issues. He seems like a decent guy in the Miami community.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

Yeah, the military kills hundreds of thousands of civilians in our last few major wars. I'm sure you don't really give a shit since they don't build monuments for immigrants, but it kind of bothers me.

You can't answer a simple question, what has he done? No one is automatically a hero, especially not people that believe in taxation-aggression to fund indiscriminate murder.

Let me answer you simple question....I don't know what he's done. You don't know what he's done either.

Maybe you can answer a simple question. What have you done to make things better for your country.

(Besides bitching anonymously on the internet about someone you know not one fucking thing about.)
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

Yeah, the military kills hundreds of thousands of civilians in our last few major wars. I'm sure you don't really give a shit since they don't build monuments for immigrants, but it kind of bothers me.

...

As to the wacky part of your post.... Do you give any credit for killing civilians to the assholes that hide in schools, in hospitals, behind women and children when they are shooting at our troops?

I don't even understand what you are getting at with the monument comment, except it seems like a pretty stupid thing to say. Do you think we should build monuments for everyone that dies in war? (Except our guys, because they're just killers.)

Go Blazers
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

They do build monuments for immigrants.

A simple google search yields:
1) Battery Park (NYC) - The Immigrants
2) New Orleans - Monument to the Immigrant
3) Irish Memorial at Penn's Landing, Philadelphia
etc.

There's also the obvious one. Ellis Island / Statue of Liberty.

And the military hasn't killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in the last few major wars. Iraq body count WWW site says 7500 civilians killed in Iraq by US led troops, including state forces, in 2003. About 2800 in 2004, about 1000-1200 in 05, 06, and 08, 2200 in 07. Less than 200 in 09, 10, and 11. Maybe 15,000 for the whole war. According to UNAMA (United Nations mission in Afghanistan), 12,793 civilian deaths in Afghanistan from 2006 to 2011, 2/3 of those killings by Taliban and not our side (military). Another 3500 in gulf war I.

In all, maybe 2,000 per year. Or about the same number of murders committed in California (each year).

I suppose if we count the vietnam "war," he'd have a point.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att



she has a few very good points, worth the few mins to watch
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

surveillance tapes as well as two drones..oh and they can pick out a bad guy...pffft

How long can barry do this....
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

I keep asking myself the same question: How would this news story be covered if it were President Bush up for re-election rather than President Obama? The fact that I conclude the coverage would be different makes me sad about the current state of our media.
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

and more comes out, but where is the main stream media?
 
Re: zing! White House & State Dept it was Islamic Militants in Libya 2 hrs after att

hate to tell you, but foxnews is the mainiest streamiest media there is
 

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