|0fficial|Meyers The Terrible

[Nikolokolus]

Stotts deserves some of the blame. The only coaching he's received is how to shoot threes.

Five years. That's a lot of off-seasons to work on your game. As for the coaching he's received, I think his move to the perimeter was the only thing that he showed much talent for; kind of hard to pin that on Stotts and his staff.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Stotts deserves some of the blame. The only coaching he's received is how to shoot threes.

The last line in the video sums it up quite nicely.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I get why people are disappointed in Meyers. Really though? Your anger is completely misplaced; this is on Neil Olshey 100%.

This. If I were below average at my job and my boss paid me like an above average employee instead of firing me, that's on my boss.

 

[BlayZa]

I get why people are disappointed in Meyers. Really though? Your anger is completely misplaced; this is on Neil Olshey 100%.

he's a fuckin tool. meyers that is.

cant stand criticism, has gone backwards in development, uses none of his attributes for things we actually need - he's just a clusterfuck.

then i saw on his twitters, 'basketball is what i do, not who i am' - well ok, fuck him even more then. it just aint everything to him, and it shows.

 

[Sinobas]

Stotts deserves some of the blame. The only coaching he's received is how to shoot threes.

And you know that how?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I get why people are disappointed in Meyers. Really though? Your anger is completely misplaced; this is on Neil Olshey 100%.

Stotts deserves some of the blame. The only coaching he's received is how to shoot threes.

Let's also not forget the ridiculous unjust firing of Kim Hughes (also on Olshey). Leonard seemed to be progressing at the end of the 2014-15 season, and has done nothing but regress since.

 

[Minstrel]

then i saw on his twitters, 'basketball is what i do, not who i am' - well ok, fuck him even more then. it just aint everything to him, and it shows.

It shouldn't be everything to him. I don't think any humans, even well-paid ones, should be defined by nothing but their jobs. Basketball is what he does (badly), just like basketball is what LeBron James does. I'm pretty sure James also wouldn't want to be identified as nothing but a basketball-playing robot, considering he does a lot of things outside of basketball.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

I'm pulling for the guy and I hope he gets better. The odds aren't great at this point. Something ain't right between the ears.

In the meantime I'm trying to look at Meyers as entertainment. When he comes in the game, I can hardly wait to see the antics. The Charlotte game had so many examples of dumbshittery it was hard to choose my favorite , but I think I'll go with the play where the Blazers were in transition and Meyers was all alone backing toward the rim being covered by smallest guy on Charlotte. He catches the pass and just has to turn, jump and dunk the ball over the puny defender but, seemingly without knowing his proximity to the rim, decides to pass the ball out to 3-pt line for a rim-jarring 3 attempt by Aminu.

Fuck, I'm tired of seeing them pass up shots from 5 ft and in to send it out for a three. I know it's part of the new NBA strategy guide and seems to be deeply ingrained in Stott's system. It also seems like the rest of the league has figured it out and knows how to stop it.

My kingdom for a low post threat and a system that values high % shots.

 

[Blazers Roy]

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

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I think you understated it.

 

[Blazers Roy]

I think you understated it.

Some fan you are... you can't even tell the difference between Leonard and Aminu!

 

[HailBlazers]

Let's also not forget the ridiculous unjust firing of Kim Hughes (also on Olshey). Leonard seemed to be progressing at the end of the 2014-15 season, and has done nothing but regress since.

Great Point. Real opportunity lost not having a big man coach for him.

 

[Minstrel]

At least he's a trade asset. Young big men who can shoot are highly valued.

Any day now.

 

[Chris Craig]

Hes sucks so bad he makes baby Satan cry

 

[illmatic99]

Let's also not forget the ridiculous unjust firing of Kim Hughes (also on Olshey). Leonard seemed to be progressing at the end of the 2014-15 season, and has done nothing but regress since.

Was it, though? If I'm running a company and one of my employees blurts out my company's strategy in a careless manner to a media person and affects my leverage in future decisions, I really don't think it's all that unjust.

Sure the writing was on the wall, but this wasn't just a minor transgression that could have been swept under the rug.

But besides the point, if Kim Hughes is the difference between Meyers becoming a legit starter vs a fringe D-Leaguer, by all means hire the man back.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Was it, though? If I'm running a company and one of my employees blurts out my company's strategy in a careless manner to a media person and affects my leverage in future decisions, I really don't think it's all that unjust.

Sure the writing was on the wall, but this wasn't just a minor transgression that could have been swept under the rug.

Oh, it absolutely was a minor transgression, for the very reason you stated--the writing was already on the wall, so the impact on leverage was minimal. Further, it's not as though he had demonstrated a repeated persistent inability to keep sensitive information under wraps; he was fired over a one-time incident. And regardless of the nature and the severity of the transgression, the organization as a whole was (arguably) harmed significantly more by his termination than by anything he said, and the holistic impact of any decision should be weighed, and doesn't appear to have been.

Yes, I believe wholeheartedly that his firing was unjust, unreasonable, and unintelligent. If they could reverse it, I believe they would.

 

[illmatic99]

Oh, it absolutely was a minor transgression, for the very reason you stated--the writing was already on the wall, so the impact on leverage was minimal. Further, it's not as though he had demonstrated a repeated persistent inability to keep sensitive information under wraps; he was fired over a one-time incident. And regardless of the nature and the severity of the transgression, the organization as a whole was (arguably) harmed significantly more by his termination than by anything he said, and the holistic impact of any decision should be weighed, and doesn't appear to have been.

Yes, I believe wholeheartedly that his firing was unjust, unreasonable, and unintelligent. If they could reverse it, I believe they would.

Really highlights Meyers' mental frailty than anything else imo.

 

[BlayZa]

It shouldn't be everything to him. I don't think any humans, even well-paid ones, should be defined by nothing but their jobs. Basketball is what he does (badly), just like basketball is what LeBron James does. I'm pretty sure James also wouldn't want to be identified as nothing but a basketball-playing robot, considering he does a lot of things outside of basketball.

thats the point....

it so obviously isnt everything to him.

he doesnt seem phased by his performance, stats, or impact on the game to any great degree.

also that's a pretty bs comparison with lebron, lebron is still lebron on the court -and meyers, is still fuckin horrible on the court.

u ever seen anything close the amount of drive on a bball court from meyers to even put him in the same sentence as lebron re basketball? im fine with a it not being all he does if he is the caliber of player that warrants the notion BUT meyers sucks to all fuck at bball AND is dismissive of it.

the truth is this

"Basketball is what I'm paid to do. I'm pretty shit at it and have no idea how I got this contract based off 5yrs of disappointment. It's not who I am. I'm so much more."

again.

fuck him.

 

[riverman]

I'm pulling for the guy and I hope he gets better. The odds aren't great at this point. Something ain't right between the ears.

In the meantime I'm trying to look at Meyers as entertainment. When he comes in the game, I can hardly wait to see the antics. The Charlotte game had so many examples of dumbshittery it was hard to choose my favorite , but I think I'll go with the play where the Blazers were in transition and Meyers was all alone backing toward the rim being covered by smallest guy on Charlotte. He catches the pass and just has to turn, jump and dunk the ball over the puny defender but, seemingly without knowing his proximity to the rim, decides to pass the ball out to 3-pt line for a rim-jarring 3 attempt by Aminu.

Fuck, I'm tired of seeing them pass up shots from 5 ft and in to send it out for a three. I know it's part of the new NBA strategy guide and seems to be deeply ingrained in Stott's system. It also seems like the rest of the league has figured it out and knows how to stop it.

My kingdom for a low post threat and a system that values high % shots.

I just want to cut and paste this post and fill up a dozen threads with it....well said Homer

 

[Minstrel]

thats the point....

it so obviously isnt everything to him.

Yes. And it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be everything to anyone. They should take their job seriously, but it is just a job.

also that's a pretty bs comparison with lebron, lebron is still lebron on the court -and meyers, is still fuckin horrible on the court.

u ever seen anything close the amount of drive on a bball court from meyers to even put him in the same sentence as lebron re basketball?

Hmm? I didn't put him in the same sentence in terms of basketball ability. I mentioned James to point out that even a great player like James probably wouldn't want to be defined purely by basketball. I completely understand why Leonard wouldn't want to. It doesn't make sense to say, "Leonard's not a good NBA player, so he doesn't get to define himself as a human beyond basketball."

I don't know, I think you have a weird amount of rage about Leonard not being good relative to the NBA. Some NBA players have to be "bad" (by NBA standards). It doesn't make them evil people.

 

[BlayZa]

Yes. And it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be everything to anyone. They should take their job seriously, but it is just a job.



Hmm? I didn't put him in the same sentence in terms of basketball ability. I mentioned James to point out that even a great player like James probably wouldn't want to be defined purely by basketball. I completely understand why Leonard wouldn't want to. It doesn't make sense to say, "Leonard's not a good NBA player, so he doesn't get to define himself as a human beyond basketball."

I don't know, I think you have a weird amount of rage about Leonard not being good relative to the NBA. Some NBA players have to be "bad" (by NBA standards). It doesn't make them evil people.

it's more like a massive amount of rage of how fuckin pointless and detrimental he is to the team. our team. my team.

his irrelevance to the wider league is inferred by proxy.

re the james part, even if james is doing other things and isnt defined by bball, he is still arguably the best player on the planet still.

we...... we have meyers leonard.

love doing shit outside bball? fantastic, retire n go do it.

 

[Minstrel]

it's more like a massive amount of rage of how fuckin pointless and detrimental he is to the team. our team. my team.

Yeah, but that's not really his fault. He just applied for the job--the Blazers not only decided to hire him but also hand him a huge raise. I don't think anyone in his place would turn it down, nor should they. So I guess that I'm saying is that your anger is misdirected--if you're really upset about his presence on the team, you should be angry at Olshey, not Leonard.

 

[MarAzul]

When I watch Meyers out there, I see a screwed up coach. What the hell, you want your biggest guy to only shoot the three ball? Now why the hell would this be? Some days he is good at it, others eh! It seems to be the only play they run for him and giving the ball to Meyers then is an after thought.

Damn man, even McMillan was smart enough to run pick n roll with Priz. It was damn near pretty with Joel and Nick Vanx.
Meyers is way more athletic than Joel. Shit I imagine a good coach would even do better than McMillan with assets.

Oh I forgot, we don't have guard that knows that play anymore. Is that coach too?
Well there is next year.

 

[riverman]

we don't have guard that knows that play anymore

Now that's Plumlee and Turner....used to be Batum and Rolo..passing is not a strong suit of our team at all

 

[BlayZa]

Yeah, but that's not really his fault. He just applied for the job--the Blazers not only decided to hire him but also hand him a huge raise. I don't think anyone in his place would turn it down, nor should they. So I guess that I'm saying is that your anger is misdirected--if you're really upset about his presence on the team, you should be angry at Olshey, not Leonard.

as much as id love to have you think and feel things for me, im good - i know exactly what i think and who im angry with.

obviously olshey was a dick to sign him, but the performance he puts in on the court is on him. a 7' guy that seems allergic to rebounds and anything useful but is hooked on brick 3's like a fat kind loves cake.

u can still be a bad player, but its just even more bs considering he's a big man with a terrible guards skillset.

remember he also turned down the extension contract to 'bet on himself' in free agency then got injured and regressed and we STILL signed him, yes olshitty should get lashes for that, but he plays on our team, like he does, and isn't defined by that, or apparently able to be measured by that. its just fuckery and arrogance of a player that never appears so 'prideful' yet is complete trash.

contract - bad
signing - bad
skills - bad
value - bad
meyers - leonard

 

[Nikolokolus]

When I watch Meyers out there, I see a screwed up coach. What the hell, you want your biggest guy to only shoot the three ball? Now why the hell would this be? Some days he is good at it, others eh! It seems to be the only play they run for him and giving the ball to Meyers then is an after thought.

Damn man, even McMillan was smart enough to run pick n roll with Priz. It was damn near pretty with Joel and Nick Vanx.
Meyers is way more athletic than Joel. Shit I imagine a good coach would even do better than McMillan with assets.

Oh I forgot, we don't have guard that knows that play anymore. Is that coach too?
Well there is next year.

Shooting the ball from the perimeter appears to be the only skill Meyers possesses at an NBA level. He's had five years of off-season workouts to add other things and he hasn't. Maybe you can partially blame the coaches, but there's a reason he slipped to 11th in the draft; he barely played at Illinois and was far from a pro-ready prospect coming out. Neil took a gamble that he'd grow into the role and that just hasn't happened (and probably never will, given how far along he is in his career -- or maybe his shoulder still isn't right?).

As for running the pick and roll, Damian and CJ are not exactly sublime passers and when they do call for a pick, it's almost always to give them an open perimeter shot or a lane to drive to the hoop (Damian more so than CJ). Maybe that's partially on Stotts too, but the fact is that Meyers plays much smaller than he is on offense. It's kind of hard to justify running designed plays to get him on the roll to the hoop when there are higher percentage plays to be had . . . particularly when Meyers has proved to be so unreliable that he racks up DNP-CDs, never mind even sniffing the starting job.

 

[Minstrel]

obviously olshey was a dick to sign him, but the performance he puts in on the court is on him.

So Leonard is an asshole for not being as talented as you want him to be. Clearly Leonard is choosing to be less talented just to fuck you over. Sounds reasonable.

 

[MarAzul]

It's kind of hard to justify running designed plays to get him on the roll to the hoop when there are higher percentage plays to be had

No, I don't buy this as a fact because it hasn't been tried. So we don't know if works or not. If it doesn't work when tried then what you say is true. Either there is more game to make use of Leonard and expand his confidence, or he is not good enough. If it is the latter, he doesn't belong on the floor. The coach is currently dithering.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Meyers can't catch the ball on the move.
He can barely catch it in the post, with no post move to utilize.
Thinking of him as a potential pick and roll guy is not realistic.

 

[Nikolokolus]

No, I don't buy this as a fact because it hasn't been tried. So we don't know if works or not. If it doesn't work when tried then what you say is true. Either there is more game to make use of Leonard and expand his confidence, or he is not good enough. If it is the latter, he doesn't belong on the floor. The coach is currently dithering.

You don't think the coaches can see what he can or can't do in practice or in training camp? The guy just isn't playing at an NBA caliber level, he's regressed massively from whatever level he seemed like he might have reached a couple of years ago. Running set plays for a guy with a sub 8 PER is not what I would call "good coaching." Sometimes guys just suck. Don't feel bad it happens to most of the guys that have the misfortune to be born 7'1", white and American.