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Natebishop3 said:
It boils down to this - I come to this forum to post about basketball. Not to make friends. I don't care who you are, or bones. This isn't the happy sunshine rainbow forum where everyone agrees with everyone else. We disagree. We argue. It happens. You and I have locked horns in the past too. I don't really care. I'll do battle with anyone on here. If you want to discuss the merits of the post, awesome, I'll do that. If you or Bones want to come in here and say things like "more of this shit" or "this is the best you can come up with?" I'll happily take it to that level as well.

When I post something, and someone immediately interprets it as "you're shitting on Meyers and this is the best you can come up with?" I'm going to return in kind. It's that simple. The two times that he has disagreed with me, he IMMEDIATELY turns to insults instead of actually refuting or posting a coherent thought. I post stats, he posts insults. It's cool. I'm good with that. Just don't make those kinds of posts and then cry about personal attacks when I bite back.
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That's all fine and well, you are free to post here for whatever reason, same for Bones and everyone else who posts here. This is indeed a community of diverse opinions and viewpoints, that being said some of us are of the opinion that the constant ribbing of players gets tiring. My hopes for this community is that it isn't a place where I ask myself "I wonder who's going to start a Meyers sucks thread today".

I love this forum and have respect for the majority its members. I can tell that this is ultimately a solid group of people and that is why I have chosen to stick around here. That doesn't mean it doesn't get obnoxious as hell when people feel like their opinion isn't being given enough consideration so they decide to create their own thread to showcase it.

TLDR: All this Meyers bashing is very much beating a dead horse and some of us are tired of it. We get it, a lot of you don't like Meyers and wish he was traded. Some of you dislike him so much that you feel the need to insult him as a person. You are free to express yourself however you feel the need to as a fan, but when someone else doesn't agree with how you are expressing yourself you shouldn't jump straight to insulting them as a person... Do you see the pattern here?
 
Natebishop3 said:
It boils down to this - I come to this forum to post about basketball. Not to make friends. I don't care who you are, or bones. This isn't the happy sunshine rainbow forum where everyone agrees with everyone else. We disagree. We argue. It happens. You and I have locked horns in the past too. I don't really care. I'll do battle with anyone on here. If you want to discuss the merits of the post, awesome, I'll do that. If you or Bones want to come in here and say things like "more of this shit" or "this is the best you can come up with?" I'll happily take it to that level as well.

When I post something, and someone immediately interprets it as "you're shitting on Meyers and this is the best you can come up with?" I'm going to return in kind. It's that simple. The two times that he has disagreed with me, he IMMEDIATELY turns to insults instead of actually refuting or posting a coherent thought. I post stats, he posts insults. It's cool. I'm good with that. Just don't make those kinds of posts and then cry about personal attacks when I bite back.
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And to your point that this was not intended to be a "shitting on meyers thread" then please explain explicitly what exactly it is intended to be. As somebody who is very much a critical thinker I'm having a hard time understanding how your point could have been anything other than - There are other players with appreciation threads, but none for Meyers because he has never played well enough to elicit such a thread.
 
BonesJones said:
That middle quote is from the previous argument, or at least not this one. The previous argument, I didn't like like the comparison of Marbury to Dame and thought of it as a knock to Dame because he's better than him. I thought you were knocking Dame by comparing the two. Even if you weren't, we were at a disagreement and didn't like each others posts, just like here.
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You're right. The middle quote is from another post.... which is why I mentioned the other post right before I linked to it...... :devilwink:

In this arguments, I interpreted this thread exactly how you meant it. How is starting a thread "highlighting" how "no one appreciates Meyers" (your words) not bashing on him? Being the sage that you are, you should be able to see how someone could logically interpret that as a Meyers bashing thread.
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Highlighting that someone doesn't get any appreciation encourages people to reflect on that person. Notice how there are people in this thread talking about why they appreciate him? Sly immediately made an appreciation thread. Highlighting something draws attention to it. Pretty standard method of generating discussion on a topic.

My first post wasn't even aggressive. I said "Yet another thread bashing Meyers?", implying that I did think it was bashing Meyers. That's not aggressive though, but I won't judge you for misinterpreting it as such.
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Interesting that you left out the last bit... "And this is what you come up with?"

You responded with a personal attack, being condescending by calling me "young buck", and inferring that I had no "critical thinking skills" because I'm a college student.

Fuck that shit. Don't make shit personal with me over the interpretation of a thread. Who cares if I misinterpret the thread? Talk about how that's not what you meant, instead of personally attacking me. It's ridiculous.
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Any time you see a thread that you disagree with, this is the kind of response I expect from you. If you don't agree with something, either stay out or refute it. When you make an asinine trade scenario, do I shit on your idea? No, but maybe I should? Or will you complain about that too?
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
And to your point that this was not intended to be a "shitting on meyers thread" then please explain WTF it is intended to be. As somebody who is very much a critical thinker I'm having a hard time understanding how your point could have been anything other than - There are other players with appreciation threads, but none for Meyers because he has never played well enough to elicit such a thread.
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Sure he has. The guy is playing despite some pretty serious injuries. BNM explained that pretty well. My thread showed that Meyers has, at no time, had any kind of appreciation thread. It generated a discussion. I'm not sure how exactly that's shitting on him. I didn't call him Butters. I didn't say he's a bad player.

How exactly is saying that someone has never been appreciated equal to shitting on them? I want to know.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sure he has. The guy is playing despite some pretty serious injuries. BNM explained that pretty well. My thread showed that Meyers has, at no time, had any kind of appreciation thread. It generated a discussion. I'm not sure how exactly that's shitting on him. I didn't call him Butters. I didn't say he's a bad player.

How exactly is saying that someone has never been appreciated equal to shitting on them? I want to know.
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Humans learn through experience, and we evaluate and process situations to come to a decision based off of our experience. Therefor if we experience an influx of Meyers sucks threads and then come across something which we interpret to be along those same lines then it is only natural that the first thought is "here we go again with the Meyers shit".

You did not explicitly specify what your intentions for this thread were, therefor you left it open to the interpretation of the other forum members. It doesn't make sense to hide your intentions and become upset when somebody interprets them in a way that you did not intend.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Humans learn through experience, and we evaluate and process situations to come to a decision based off of our experience. Therefor if we experience an influx of Meyers sucks threads and then come across something which we interpret to be along those same lines then it is only natural that the first thought is "here we go again with the Meyers shit".

You did not explicitly specify what your intentions for this thread were, therefor you left it open to the interpretation of the other forum members. It doesn't make sense to hide your intentions and become upset when somebody interprets them in a way that you did not intend.
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So obviously the right decision is assume it's a thread shitting on him, call out the poster and tell them "this is the best you can come up with?"

What possible reason would there be for pointing out that he has never been given an appreciation thread, other than to make people think about how they're treating him?

Do you really think it's a "haha nobody appreciates Meyers" thread? Seriously?
 
Natebishop3 said:
You're right. The middle quote is from another post.... which is why I mentioned the other post right before I linked to it...... :devilwink:

Highlighting that someone doesn't get any appreciation encourages people to reflect on that person. Notice how there are people in this thread talking about why they appreciate him? Sly immediately made an appreciation thread. Highlighting something draws attention to it. Pretty standard method of generating discussion on a topic.



Interesting that you left out the last bit... "And this is what you come up with?"



Any time you see a thread that you disagree with, this is the kind of response I expect from you. If you don't agree with something, either stay out or refute it. When you make an asinine trade scenario, do I shit on your idea? No, but maybe I should? Or will you complain about that too?
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Go ahead and shit on my trade ideas. I won't take it personally. I'll explain why I think it's a feasible idea and have a discussion.

You, however, seem to take everything personally, such as me saying "This is the best you can come up with?".

You still have no logical defense for personally attacking me over me disliking your thread because it seems like more Meyers bashing.

I don't care how much we disagree with each others posts, interpretations of posts, or anything forum related. I won't make it personal. I won't go out of my way to insult you. I expect you to do the same.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What possible reason would there be for pointing out that he has never been given an appreciation thread, other than to make people think about how they're treating him?
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You could've explained this in the OP.
 
BonesJones said:
Go ahead and shit on my trade ideas. I won't take it personally. I'll explain why I think it's a feasible idea and have a discussion.

You, however, seem to take everything personally, such as me saying "This is the best you can come up with?".

You still have no logical defense for personally attacking me over me disliking your thread because it seems like more Meyers bashing.

I don't care how much we disagree with each others posts, interpretations of posts, or anything forum related. I won't make it personal. I won't go out of my way to insult you. I expect you to do the same.
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So you don't think that posting something like "more of his shit" or "this is the best you can come up with?" are making it personal?
 
BonesJones said:
You could've explained this in the OP.
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It was three pictures. No words. I didn't explain anything. But you automatically jumped to he conclusion that I was shitting on him and called me out. But hey, I'm the bad guy here.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
OK, I'll try one last time, if you don't get it fine, it was only a subpoint anyway.

Let's say the league has 450 players, any you're the 451st. Congrats, you're next in line, but you're actually better than 30+ guys currently in the league. You're getting paid jack, while those 30 guys are getting paid millions, and in some cases tens of millions. Mr. 451 is being screwed by the GMs.

People (and especially GMs) "appreciating" those 30 are actually screwing you over. Of course, for you, life is about to get worse. Another draft is coming with more players entering the league. GMs are taking chances on a bunch of newbs, so now you're better than 40 players in the league, but it doesn't matter, you're screwed.

Cliff Alexander was intended to be an example name-placeholder for Mr. 451 - it's not about him at all.
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I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree that it has anything to do with Meyers Leonard. Every team has 15 roster spots available. Meyers was 9th on the team in minutes played last year and is 9th on the team in minutes played this year. When cutting a player, team's don't decide between their 9th man and their 15th man. They decide between their 13th, 14th and 15th men.

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Now, does this really apply to Biebs? Yes and No. Biebs isn't that bad in an absolute sense, but that doesn't matter. He's terrible relative to his salary, and THAT MATTERS. We have a delicate cap situation, and he's got to go the way of TRob. I'm totally OK with Biebs as a 3rd stringer for vet min, but that isn't the reality. Get rid of his salary and give 451 a chance at a supercheap salary.
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And again, it was not a financial decision between Meyers and Cliff. We would have had a lot more cushion, over $7.3 million more, if we would have just exercised Cliff's team option and not signed Ezeli.

And honestly, Ezeli's 0 minutes this year is only 36 fewer than Cliff played last year. The big difference is Festus is getting paid $7.4 million to not play. Cliff would have gotten $874,636. It's not Meyers Leonard, who is 9th on the team in minutes played that is keeping Mr. 451 out of the league. It's guys on every roster that are their team's 13th, 14th and 15th men, plus guys like Ezeli that eat up roster spots and cap space without actually playing.

BNM
 
Natebishop3 said:
So you don't think that posting something like "more of his shit" or "this is the best you can come up with?" are making it personal?
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It's not. I'm annoyed by a thread about Meyers Leonard.

That's not the same as saying someone has no critical thinking skills because they're a college student. That's personal.

It's weird that I have to explain this to a former mod haha.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It was three pictures. No words. I didn't explain anything.
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Exactly. You use no words but expect someone to know EXACTLY what you mean by the pictures? And if they don't you personally attack them. Haha.
 
BonesJones said:
It's not. I'm annoyed by a thread about Meyers Leonard.

That's not the same as saying someone has no critical thinking skills because they're a college student. That's personal.

It's weird that I have to explain this to a former mod haha.
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I didn't say it was the same thing. Nobody said it has to be on balance an equal attack.

I'm not a mod anymore because I wanted the freedom to be able to tell you to fuck off without being reminded I'm a mod. Apparently that never goes away.....
 
Natebishop3 said:
I didn't say it was the same thing. Nobody said it has to be on balance an equal attack.

I'm not a mod anymore because I wanted the freedom to be able to tell you to fuck off without being reminded I'm a mod. Apparently that never goes away.....
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Don't make this personal. That's it. Got it? Good.
 
Glad Meyers is happy about not having to look over his shoulder anymore (He literally said that.) He's really stepped up.

it was funny seeing wolves players eyes light up when he was out there though. You could tell there isn't a player in the league afraid of going right at him. They know he won't do shit.
 
BonesJones said:
Do you really think that there's only one way to interpret his 3 pictures?
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The fact that you can't see how your response was an overreaction, then I stand by my initial response about your ability to think critically.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I didn't say it was the same thing. Nobody said it has to be on balance an equal attack.

I'm not a mod anymore because I wanted the freedom to be able to tell you to fuck off without being reminded I'm a mod. Apparently that never goes away.....
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So if someone says anything that you dislike, no matter how mild, is all good for you to personally attack them, because no one says "attacks" have to be equal?

I didn't even attack you at all. You took it as one and personally attacked me.

Be a man and own up to it.

Or be a man and stop doing petty shit like that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The fact that you can't see how your response was an overreaction, then I stand by my initial response about your ability to think critically.
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The fact that you can't see how your post might be interpreted as a Meyers-bashing thread... As well as the fact that you can't see how you personally attacking me was out of line... Makes me think the same of you.
 
@Natebishop3

I could see why you're still salty about my reaction to the Marbury thread and now hold a grudge. Which is also petty, but whatever.

My reaction to that thread was a little over the top. You still were wrong and took shit to a personal level then, but I could somewhat understand why.

Here? Not at all. You're way out of line.
 
BonesJones said:
The fact that you can't see how your post might be interpreted as a Meyers-bashing thread... As well as the fact that you can't see how you personally attacking me was out of line... Makes me think the same of you.
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Are you two gonna fuck or what
 
BonesJones said:
So if someone says anything that you dislike, no matter how mild, is all good for you to personally attack them, because no one says "attacks" have to be equal?

I didn't even attack you at all. You took it as one and personally attacked me.

Be a man and own up to it.

Or be a man and stop doing petty shit like that.
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Did you want to reply a few more times to the same post?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Did you want to reply a few more times to the same post?
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I replied twice... I know it's a lot to handle.

I'm done with this conversation. Go ahead and get the last word in with another petty personal attack. I don't expect anything better.
 
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