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Welcome to S2 and to the Nets forum, dml479 and jerkstore.</p>
I been wonderin when you'd come around to S2.</p>
<span class="bigusername"><span class="Member">Isn't this the show with a host and 2 sides of debators (usually one guy, sometimes 2, and Skip Bayless). Skip usually sits on the right...so if he was on the show today, it's very likely it was him. </span></span></p>
<span class="bigusername"><span class="Member">Not too surprising, he's the type of guy I could see picking the Nets. </span></span><span class="bigusername"><span class="Member">He usually doesn't like the "flashy" pick, such as Lebron, the Heat, or the Celts. I'm actually surprised he didn't go wit Chicago.</span></span></p>
I been wonderin when you'd come around to S2.</p>
<span class="bigusername"><span class="Member">Isn't this the show with a host and 2 sides of debators (usually one guy, sometimes 2, and Skip Bayless). Skip usually sits on the right...so if he was on the show today, it's very likely it was him. </span></span></p>
<span class="bigusername"><span class="Member">Not too surprising, he's the type of guy I could see picking the Nets. </span></span><span class="bigusername"><span class="Member">He usually doesn't like the "flashy" pick, such as Lebron, the Heat, or the Celts. I'm actually surprised he didn't go wit Chicago.</span></span></p>
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<p align="left">First question.. were his eyes glassy? Did he kinda stare at the camera for to long then kinda mumble out the Nets as his choice between bites of his brownie?</p>
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<p align="left">IMO The Nets are older not better and a healthy Krstic is not gonna save the team. Vince is a year older and more likely to settle for the jumper more and more. RJ is a solid not spectacular talent and Kidd's motor is gonna give out eventually. Maybe not this year but one year soon.</p>
<p align="left">The Raptors are more experienced and better IMO, the C's got a tad bit better over the summer and the Nets are gonna have a fight for the last few playoff spots and I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out. Given that they have Kidd, I don't foresee that happening because of his professionalism and pride but this team has had their big Trio for a long time and they've not accomplished much.</p>
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Methinks it's time to blow them up.</p>
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<p align="left">IMO The Nets are older not better and a healthy Krstic is not gonna save the team. Vince is a year older and more likely to settle for the jumper more and more. RJ is a solid not spectacular talent and Kidd's motor is gonna give out eventually. Maybe not this year but one year soon.</p>
<p align="left">The Raptors are more experienced and better IMO, the C's got a tad bit better over the summer and the Nets are gonna have a fight for the last few playoff spots and I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out. Given that they have Kidd, I don't foresee that happening because of his professionalism and pride but this team has had their big Trio for a long time and they've not accomplished much.</p>
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Methinks it's time to blow them up.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<p align="left">First question.. were his eyes glassy? Did he kinda stare at the camera for to long then kinda mumble out the Nets as his choice between bites of his brownie?</p>
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<p align="left">IMO The Nets are older not better and a healthy Krstic is not gonna save the team. Vince is a year older and more likely to settle for the jumper more and more. RJ is a solid not spectacular talent and Kidd's motor is gonna give out eventually. Maybe not this year but one year soon.</p>
<p align="left">The Raptors are more experienced and better IMO, the C's got a tad bit better over the summer and the Nets are gonna have a fight for the last few playoff spots and I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out. Given that they have Kidd, I don't foresee that happening because of his professionalism and pride but this team has had their big Trio for a long time and they've not accomplished much.</p>
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Methinks it's time to blow them up.</p>
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Methinks it's time to wait for the season till we make statements like "blow them up".</p>
And all respect to the Raps, but they're not more experienced, and if they're better, it's not by too much. The Nets proved that in the playoffs.</p>
<p align="left">First question.. were his eyes glassy? Did he kinda stare at the camera for to long then kinda mumble out the Nets as his choice between bites of his brownie?</p>
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<p align="left">IMO The Nets are older not better and a healthy Krstic is not gonna save the team. Vince is a year older and more likely to settle for the jumper more and more. RJ is a solid not spectacular talent and Kidd's motor is gonna give out eventually. Maybe not this year but one year soon.</p>
<p align="left">The Raptors are more experienced and better IMO, the C's got a tad bit better over the summer and the Nets are gonna have a fight for the last few playoff spots and I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out. Given that they have Kidd, I don't foresee that happening because of his professionalism and pride but this team has had their big Trio for a long time and they've not accomplished much.</p>
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Methinks it's time to blow them up.</p>
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Methinks it's time to wait for the season till we make statements like "blow them up".</p>
And all respect to the Raps, but they're not more experienced, and if they're better, it's not by too much. The Nets proved that in the playoffs.</p>
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<p align="left">I was refering to the young raptors being a more experienced team than they were last year.</p>
<p align="left">Obviously they're nowhere near as experienced as the Nets are with their finals appearances.</p>
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<p align="left">The Raptors won't be an easy out in the playoffs this year.</p>
<p align="left">I think Bargs is gonna make a big step forward this year and if Garbajosa is healthy he'll be one of those glue guy difference makers too.</p>
It'll be C's and Raps battling for 1st place, not the Nets.</p>
<p align="left">Obviously they're nowhere near as experienced as the Nets are with their finals appearances.</p>
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<p align="left">The Raptors won't be an easy out in the playoffs this year.</p>
<p align="left">I think Bargs is gonna make a big step forward this year and if Garbajosa is healthy he'll be one of those glue guy difference makers too.</p>
It'll be C's and Raps battling for 1st place, not the Nets.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<p align="left">I was refering to the young raptors being a more experienced team than they were last year.</p>
<p align="left">Obviously they're nowhere near as experienced as the Nets are with their finals appearances.</p>
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<p align="left">The Raptors won't be an easy out in the playoffs this year.</p>
<p align="left">I think Bargs is gonna make a big step forward this year and if Garbajosa is healthy he'll be one of those glue guy difference makers too.</p>
It'll be C's and Raps battling for 1st place, not the Nets.</p>
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Oh, aright. Sorry for that misunderstanding. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Nets should wait till at least 1/4 of the way thru the season to blow it all up, and at the latest, 1/2 thru the season.</p>
And I actually do think the Raptors will be good...just not sure how good. If Bargs does take that step, they should be real good.</p>
And I don't feel comfortable with the Celts' depth and Ray Allen's recent injury problems. Hell, Pierce's injury last season should be somewhat of a concern too.</p>
<p align="left">I was refering to the young raptors being a more experienced team than they were last year.</p>
<p align="left">Obviously they're nowhere near as experienced as the Nets are with their finals appearances.</p>
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<p align="left">The Raptors won't be an easy out in the playoffs this year.</p>
<p align="left">I think Bargs is gonna make a big step forward this year and if Garbajosa is healthy he'll be one of those glue guy difference makers too.</p>
It'll be C's and Raps battling for 1st place, not the Nets.</p>
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Oh, aright. Sorry for that misunderstanding. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Nets should wait till at least 1/4 of the way thru the season to blow it all up, and at the latest, 1/2 thru the season.</p>
And I actually do think the Raptors will be good...just not sure how good. If Bargs does take that step, they should be real good.</p>
And I don't feel comfortable with the Celts' depth and Ray Allen's recent injury problems. Hell, Pierce's injury last season should be somewhat of a concern too.</p>
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Yeah it's gonna take some time to see how well the C's work together. Paul has been relatively healthy for most of his career as has Ray (Played in over 90% of his possible games) so unless Doc has a brainfart (good chance) and runs his big 3 into the ground during the regular season, the Celtics should be alright.</p>
If Bargs can help on the Boards more this year, the Raps will do very well.</p>
If Bargs can help on the Boards more this year, the Raps will do very well.</p>
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I really don't buy that any of the top 3 teams in the Atlantic is heads or tails above the others. Boston made major additions and took a major hit in the depth department in doing so, Toronto added two shooters, and NJ revamped it's frontcourt. Yes theres been improvements for each team and none are so great where it solidifies the other over the other two Alantic title contenders. On any given night one team can beat the other.</p>
NJ and Boston are gonna be different teams than they have been the past couple seasons and Toronto's gonna be experimenting with lineups all season to find a good mix so to say this early that one is better than the other is pretty tough to do. No team has made such a leap nor has any made such a decline that it's anything more than speculation at this point. NJ's proven year in and year out what they can do with little to no depth, Boston's Big 3 hasn't played on regular season game yet, and Toronto has had one season at the top so IMO to count out NJ is foolish especially with the acquisitions they've made, while not as spectaular, are ones that shore up some of their major faults from the past few seasons.</p>
The running theme we keep seeing from naysayers is that all expect a decline from our stars but we haven't seen Kidd or VC fall off yet or give any indications of doing so. Personally I think it's ironic that the notion comes from a poster with a Karl Malone avatar seeing as he was another player who played well into his later years quite dominantly. Why can't VC and Kidd?<span class="bigusername"><span class="Member">
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NJ and Boston are gonna be different teams than they have been the past couple seasons and Toronto's gonna be experimenting with lineups all season to find a good mix so to say this early that one is better than the other is pretty tough to do. No team has made such a leap nor has any made such a decline that it's anything more than speculation at this point. NJ's proven year in and year out what they can do with little to no depth, Boston's Big 3 hasn't played on regular season game yet, and Toronto has had one season at the top so IMO to count out NJ is foolish especially with the acquisitions they've made, while not as spectaular, are ones that shore up some of their major faults from the past few seasons.</p>
The running theme we keep seeing from naysayers is that all expect a decline from our stars but we haven't seen Kidd or VC fall off yet or give any indications of doing so. Personally I think it's ironic that the notion comes from a poster with a Karl Malone avatar seeing as he was another player who played well into his later years quite dominantly. Why can't VC and Kidd?<span class="bigusername"><span class="Member">
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LOL Kidd turns 35 this March.. don't 'kid' yourselves, even elite gaurds lose something at that age.</p>
Malone was a freak of nature like Wilt Chamberlain, you can site over 1000 examples of players who fell apart in their mid 30's and a small handful of ones who didn't.</p>
The Nets have had Kidd/RJ/VC and Krstic for 3 seasons and haven't made it past the 2nd round. Not sure what optimism there is to be had is all.</p>
The Celtics have 3 of the top 25 players in the league for the first time, there's load of optimism to be had. If Lebron can carry the sad sack Cavs to the finals and an aging Shaq and Wade can win it all, why not the C's?</p>
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Malone was a freak of nature like Wilt Chamberlain, you can site over 1000 examples of players who fell apart in their mid 30's and a small handful of ones who didn't.</p>
The Nets have had Kidd/RJ/VC and Krstic for 3 seasons and haven't made it past the 2nd round. Not sure what optimism there is to be had is all.</p>
The Celtics have 3 of the top 25 players in the league for the first time, there's load of optimism to be had. If Lebron can carry the sad sack Cavs to the finals and an aging Shaq and Wade can win it all, why not the C's?</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
LOL Kidd turns 35 this March.. don't 'kid' yourselves, even elite gaurds lose something at that age.</p>
Malone was a freak of nature like Wilt Chamberlain, you can site over 1000 examples of players who fell apart in their mid 30's and a small handful of ones who didn't.</p>
The Nets have had Kidd/RJ/VC and Krstic for 3 seasons and haven't made it past the 2nd round. Not sure what optimism there is to be had is all.</p>
The Celtics have 3 of the top 25 players in the league for the first time, there's load of optimism to be had. If Lebron can carry the sad sack Cavs to the finals and an aging Shaq and Wade can win it all, why not the C's?</p>
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People have been saying Kidd is on the decline for the past 3 years. And it hasn't shown one bit. In fact, many consider last year to be his 2nd best season ever. Don't make the assumption he'll slow down just because he's 34. His age is irrelevant in that regard. All that matters is how he produces on the court, and his play hasn't shown any indication of slowing down.</p>
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LOL Kidd turns 35 this March.. don't 'kid' yourselves, even elite gaurds lose something at that age.</p>
Malone was a freak of nature like Wilt Chamberlain, you can site over 1000 examples of players who fell apart in their mid 30's and a small handful of ones who didn't.</p>
The Nets have had Kidd/RJ/VC and Krstic for 3 seasons and haven't made it past the 2nd round. Not sure what optimism there is to be had is all.</p>
The Celtics have 3 of the top 25 players in the league for the first time, there's load of optimism to be had. If Lebron can carry the sad sack Cavs to the finals and an aging Shaq and Wade can win it all, why not the C's?</p>
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People have been saying Kidd is on the decline for the past 3 years. And it hasn't shown one bit. In fact, many consider last year to be his 2nd best season ever. Don't make the assumption he'll slow down just because he's 34. His age is irrelevant in that regard. All that matters is how he produces on the court, and his play hasn't shown any indication of slowing down.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
LOL Kidd turns 35 this March.. don't 'kid' yourselves, even elite gaurds lose something at that age.</p>
Malone was a freak of nature like Wilt Chamberlain, you can site over 1000 examples of players who fell apart in their mid 30's and a small handful of ones who didn't.</p>
The Nets have had Kidd/RJ/VC and Krstic for 3 seasons and haven't made it past the 2nd round. Not sure what optimism there is to be had is all.</p>
The Celtics have 3 of the top 25 players in the league for the first time, there's load of optimism to be had. If Lebron can carry the sad sack Cavs to the finals and an aging Shaq and Wade can win it all, why not the C's?</p>
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Absolutely it can be the Celtics.</p>
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btw, the nets haven't had Kidd/RJ/VC and Krstic for 3 seasons, not in the way you mean. unless if Garnett gets injured next week and misses the season, you're okay with me saying, "I don't understand why you think the Celtics are any good. They had Garnett last season and still missed the playoffs."</p>
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LOL Kidd turns 35 this March.. don't 'kid' yourselves, even elite gaurds lose something at that age.</p>
Malone was a freak of nature like Wilt Chamberlain, you can site over 1000 examples of players who fell apart in their mid 30's and a small handful of ones who didn't.</p>
The Nets have had Kidd/RJ/VC and Krstic for 3 seasons and haven't made it past the 2nd round. Not sure what optimism there is to be had is all.</p>
The Celtics have 3 of the top 25 players in the league for the first time, there's load of optimism to be had. If Lebron can carry the sad sack Cavs to the finals and an aging Shaq and Wade can win it all, why not the C's?</p>
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Absolutely it can be the Celtics.</p>
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btw, the nets haven't had Kidd/RJ/VC and Krstic for 3 seasons, not in the way you mean. unless if Garnett gets injured next week and misses the season, you're okay with me saying, "I don't understand why you think the Celtics are any good. They had Garnett last season and still missed the playoffs."</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<p align="left">First question.. were his eyes glassy? Did he kinda stare at the camera for to long then kinda mumble out the Nets as his choice between bites of his brownie?</p>
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<p align="left">IMO The Nets are older not better and a healthy Krstic is not gonna save the team. Vince is a year older and more likely to settle for the jumper more and more. RJ is a solid not spectacular talent and Kidd's motor is gonna give out eventually. Maybe not this year but one year soon.</p>
<p align="left">The Raptors are more experienced and better IMO, the C's got a tad bit better over the summer and the Nets are gonna have a fight for the last few playoff spots and I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out. Given that they have Kidd, I don't foresee that happening because of his professionalism and pride but this team has had their big Trio for a long time and they've not accomplished much.</p>
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Methinks it's time to blow them up.</p>
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LMAOOOOOOO!The Nets are older and da celtics(dis crap team dont need caps) are younger right?btw,the celts are the last team in Boston after da Sox,Pats and BC........poor celts</p>
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<p align="left">First question.. were his eyes glassy? Did he kinda stare at the camera for to long then kinda mumble out the Nets as his choice between bites of his brownie?</p>
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<p align="left">IMO The Nets are older not better and a healthy Krstic is not gonna save the team. Vince is a year older and more likely to settle for the jumper more and more. RJ is a solid not spectacular talent and Kidd's motor is gonna give out eventually. Maybe not this year but one year soon.</p>
<p align="left">The Raptors are more experienced and better IMO, the C's got a tad bit better over the summer and the Nets are gonna have a fight for the last few playoff spots and I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out. Given that they have Kidd, I don't foresee that happening because of his professionalism and pride but this team has had their big Trio for a long time and they've not accomplished much.</p>
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Methinks it's time to blow them up.</p>
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LMAOOOOOOO!The Nets are older and da celtics(dis crap team dont need caps) are younger right?btw,the celts are the last team in Boston after da Sox,Pats and BC........poor celts</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<p align="left">First question.. were his eyes glassy? Did he kinda stare at the camera for to long then kinda mumble out the Nets as his choice between bites of his brownie?</p>
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<p align="left">IMO The Nets are older not better and a healthy Krstic is not gonna save the team. Vince is a year older and more likely to settle for the jumper more and more. RJ is a solid not spectacular talent and Kidd's motor is gonna give out eventually. Maybe not this year but one year soon.</p>
<p align="left">The Raptors are more experienced and better IMO, the C's got a tad bit better over the summer and the Nets are gonna have a fight for the last few playoff spots and I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out. Given that they have Kidd, I don't foresee that happening because of his professionalism and pride but this team has had their big Trio for a long time and they've not accomplished much.</p>
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Methinks it's time to blow them up.</p>
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LMAOOOOOOO!The Nets are older and da celtics(dis crap team dont need caps) are younger right?btw,the celts are the last team in Boston after da Sox,Pats and BC........poor celts</p>
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Haha, you make a good point, Black Republican. To interpret this into a way that's understandable to everyone:</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>That's funny. The Celtics are pretty old, as well. And they aren't even the best team in the Boston area. They are outshined by the Red Sox, Patriots, and Boston College (football).</div></p>
So...do you believe the Celtics won't be as good as the Nets? And do you believe the Celtics will continue to be outshined by the other teams in Boston?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<p align="left">First question.. were his eyes glassy? Did he kinda stare at the camera for to long then kinda mumble out the Nets as his choice between bites of his brownie?</p>
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<p align="left">IMO The Nets are older not better and a healthy Krstic is not gonna save the team. Vince is a year older and more likely to settle for the jumper more and more. RJ is a solid not spectacular talent and Kidd's motor is gonna give out eventually. Maybe not this year but one year soon.</p>
<p align="left">The Raptors are more experienced and better IMO, the C's got a tad bit better over the summer and the Nets are gonna have a fight for the last few playoff spots and I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out. Given that they have Kidd, I don't foresee that happening because of his professionalism and pride but this team has had their big Trio for a long time and they've not accomplished much.</p>
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Methinks it's time to blow them up.</p>
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LMAOOOOOOO!The Nets are older and da celtics(dis crap team dont need caps) are younger right?btw,the celts are the last team in Boston after da Sox,Pats and BC........poor celts</p>
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Haha, you make a good point, Black Republican. To interpret this into a way that's understandable to everyone:</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>That's funny. The Celtics are pretty old, as well. And they aren't even the best team in the Boston area. They are outshined by the Red Sox, Patriots, and Boston College (football).</div></p>
So...do you believe the Celtics won't be as good as the Nets? And do you believe the Celtics will continue to be outshined by the other teams in Boston?</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<p align="left">First question.. were his eyes glassy? Did he kinda stare at the camera for to long then kinda mumble out the Nets as his choice between bites of his brownie?</p>
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<p align="left">IMO The Nets are older not better and a healthy Krstic is not gonna save the team. Vince is a year older and more likely to settle for the jumper more and more. RJ is a solid not spectacular talent and Kidd's motor is gonna give out eventually. Maybe not this year but one year soon.</p>
<p align="left">The Raptors are more experienced and better IMO, the C's got a tad bit better over the summer and the Nets are gonna have a fight for the last few playoff spots and I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out. Given that they have Kidd, I don't foresee that happening because of his professionalism and pride but this team has had their big Trio for a long time and they've not accomplished much.</p>
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Methinks it's time to blow them up.</p>
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LMAOOOOOOO!The Nets are older and da celtics(dis crap team dont need caps) are younger right?btw,the celts are the last team in Boston after da Sox,Pats and BC........poor celts</p>
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The nets have had their big trio 3 yrs, the Celtics are in their first yr with their 3 all-stars. If the Nets haven't been able to do it while all 3 were younger, what provides the hope that this is the year? As for my point about age.. well it was in regards to the very young Raptors who are a year more experienced and getting better. You can't say VC, RJ or Kidd are a better than they were the last 3 years. As good maybe, but not improved.</p>
I don't live within a day's drive of Boston, I could care less about the other sports teams in that city at all.</p>
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<p align="left">First question.. were his eyes glassy? Did he kinda stare at the camera for to long then kinda mumble out the Nets as his choice between bites of his brownie?</p>
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<p align="left">IMO The Nets are older not better and a healthy Krstic is not gonna save the team. Vince is a year older and more likely to settle for the jumper more and more. RJ is a solid not spectacular talent and Kidd's motor is gonna give out eventually. Maybe not this year but one year soon.</p>
<p align="left">The Raptors are more experienced and better IMO, the C's got a tad bit better over the summer and the Nets are gonna have a fight for the last few playoff spots and I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out. Given that they have Kidd, I don't foresee that happening because of his professionalism and pride but this team has had their big Trio for a long time and they've not accomplished much.</p>
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Methinks it's time to blow them up.</p>
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LMAOOOOOOO!The Nets are older and da celtics(dis crap team dont need caps) are younger right?btw,the celts are the last team in Boston after da Sox,Pats and BC........poor celts</p>
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The nets have had their big trio 3 yrs, the Celtics are in their first yr with their 3 all-stars. If the Nets haven't been able to do it while all 3 were younger, what provides the hope that this is the year? As for my point about age.. well it was in regards to the very young Raptors who are a year more experienced and getting better. You can't say VC, RJ or Kidd are a better than they were the last 3 years. As good maybe, but not improved.</p>
I don't live within a day's drive of Boston, I could care less about the other sports teams in that city at all.</p>
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Where do you live CelticFan?</p>
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Ottawa Ontario.</p>
Grew up a fan of the teams my dad likes. Celtics, Cowboys and Leafs. (baseball... not so much a fan of)</p>
Since moving to Ottawa and the Sens joining the NHL, I've become a Sens fan
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Since moving to Ottawa and the Sens joining the NHL, I've become a Sens fan
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
The nets have had their big trio 3 yrs, the Celtics are in their first yr with their 3 all-stars. If the Nets haven't been able to do it while all 3 were younger, what provides the hope that this is the year? As for my point about age.. well it was in regards to the very young Raptors who are a year more experienced and getting better. You can't say VC, RJ or Kidd are a better than they were the last 3 years. As good maybe, but not improved.</p>
I don't live within a day's drive of Boston, I could care less about the other sports teams in that city at all.</p>
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Yes they've been on the same team for 3 years but all of which RJ has been in some state of injury that affected his game. Kidd and Carter had to carry teams with little to no bench and we lost our starting center all of last season. Some may call them excuses but I call it the way the cards have landed. Coming into this season RJ is healthier than he's been since VC has been here, Kidd is coming fresh off an olympic run where his teammates notioned he was the team's MVP where his leadership was on display for all to see, and Carter has been working on improving his jumpshot all this summer. While there's no denying age and the improvement on both Boston and Toronto that there is a chance that with those factors I just listed may make our big 3 better than they have been and now they actually have a deep bench where they don't have to carry the entire load leaving them drained come playoff time. We have 2 all stars, a very good 3rd fiddle, young contributors, and veteran depth that were acquired to shore up our major weakenesses as a team so while you keep looking at the big 3 you should be looking at the improvements the team has made as a whole before so easily writing off the Nets.</p>
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The nets have had their big trio 3 yrs, the Celtics are in their first yr with their 3 all-stars. If the Nets haven't been able to do it while all 3 were younger, what provides the hope that this is the year? As for my point about age.. well it was in regards to the very young Raptors who are a year more experienced and getting better. You can't say VC, RJ or Kidd are a better than they were the last 3 years. As good maybe, but not improved.</p>
I don't live within a day's drive of Boston, I could care less about the other sports teams in that city at all.</p>
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Yes they've been on the same team for 3 years but all of which RJ has been in some state of injury that affected his game. Kidd and Carter had to carry teams with little to no bench and we lost our starting center all of last season. Some may call them excuses but I call it the way the cards have landed. Coming into this season RJ is healthier than he's been since VC has been here, Kidd is coming fresh off an olympic run where his teammates notioned he was the team's MVP where his leadership was on display for all to see, and Carter has been working on improving his jumpshot all this summer. While there's no denying age and the improvement on both Boston and Toronto that there is a chance that with those factors I just listed may make our big 3 better than they have been and now they actually have a deep bench where they don't have to carry the entire load leaving them drained come playoff time. We have 2 all stars, a very good 3rd fiddle, young contributors, and veteran depth that were acquired to shore up our major weakenesses as a team so while you keep looking at the big 3 you should be looking at the improvements the team has made as a whole before so easily writing off the Nets.</p>
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Oh nice, you're not that far though, maybe 7 or 8 hours from where I live? (western mass.)</p>
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Hey I may be wrong and the Nets may be good but I believe they're the 3rd best team in the divison and will be a 1 and done playoff team. That doesn't mean they couldn't start the season hot and end up being in 1st after the first month or so, they do have talent on the team. I'm talking about the end of the year.</p>
Still it's early and everyfan (okay not the clippers fans) has reason to be optimistic. We'll have to wait and see how right or wrong I am
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Still it's early and everyfan (okay not the clippers fans) has reason to be optimistic. We'll have to wait and see how right or wrong I am
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Weird. You're a Celtics fan and you don't think the Nets will win the division?</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
Weird. You're a Celtics fan and you don't think the Nets will win the division?</p>
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While I am a Celts fan, I'm not a blind nuthugging type fan. If you had asked me last year, I woulda said it was the Nets division to lose.</p>
Toronto was a real surprise and the Nets were injured and a disappointment.</p>
With KG and Ray I like the C's chances to win the division but I also think the Raps will contend and could win the division too.</p>
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Weird. You're a Celtics fan and you don't think the Nets will win the division?</p>
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While I am a Celts fan, I'm not a blind nuthugging type fan. If you had asked me last year, I woulda said it was the Nets division to lose.</p>
Toronto was a real surprise and the Nets were injured and a disappointment.</p>
With KG and Ray I like the C's chances to win the division but I also think the Raps will contend and could win the division too.</p>
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Is there a team that engenders such disparate viewpoints as the Nets? From ECF contender to low playoff seed to lottery team--you could make an argument that the Nets could end up anywhere, and the so-called experts have done so. In themix for one of the last few playoff spots? It is possible. But I'm an apologist; I can find enough reasonable-sounding excuses for their past two seasons to convince myself that this is a 50+ win team, a team that will have one of the top-three seeds, and is as likely to reach the finals as anyone. I see a team that has suffered major injuries to key personnel, and now has a deeper bench in case that happens again; a team whose stars were embroiled in very distracting personal issues; a team that is led by a player with the greatest will to win in the league. On the other hand, they've shown that they can go a month or longer when they just don't seem to give a shit, where they are nonchallant on defense, and the offense devolves into a Vince Carter shootingfest in the fourth quarter. The truth is that no one has any freaking idea when it comes to this team. But now the talking stops, and the games begin!</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
But now the talking stops, and the games begin!</p>
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A-MEN!!!</p>
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but since we're on these forums.. maybe we can talk a little bit
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But now the talking stops, and the games begin!</p>
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A-MEN!!!</p>
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but since we're on these forums.. maybe we can talk a little bit
