1st Debate! Trump vs Clinton

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dviss1 said:
:biglaugh::biglaugh:

The fact that you believe this.... My goodness....
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I provided links that supply evidence that support his (any many others) claims of businesses leaving America. There are plenty more on the internet.
 
Chris Craig said:
You must not be a worker bee just like the rest of us. Because if you are your notions make no sense
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Most people begin as worker bees. But that same person can not be more short sighted than to vote for people with policies that will keep you as a worker bee as long as you can work.
No policy is as effective in keeping you a worker bee as taking most of your money earned, when and if you are successful enough to earn a little more than a worker bee.
 
As someone who thinks both candidates are complete junk, Hillary won the debate.

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blue32 said:
Shall I pick a different word so you calm down?

Lies? Let's not talk about whose the worse liar in this race. We have 33,000 reasons and some dead Americans to show whose the worst.
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There's no reason to tell me to calm down. I'm completely calm. But for some reason you'd like insinuate something different...

The bold is a typical righty debate tactic. Let's deflect from the truth of my own candidate's lies and talk about his competitor. Um... I'm not voting for Clinton and am not disagreeing that she's a liar. So, no need to try to use that one.

Why can't you admit that trump is a liar too? :dunno:
 
I liked the split screen idea. Watching both of their reactions at the same time was interesting.

Did anyone notice Hillary’s reaction when Trump was talking about her email problem?
I honestly thought she was going to cry if he continued to push the subject. That topic really gets to her. She lost character, but recovered quickly when the topic changed.
 
dviss1 said:
There's no reason to tell me to calm down. I'm completely calm. But for some reason you'd like insinuate something different...

The bold is a typical righty debate tactic. Let's deflect from the truth of my own candidate's lies and talk about his competitor. Um... I'm not voting for Clinton and am not disagreeing that she's a liar. So, no need to try to use that one.

Why can't you admit that trump is a liar too? :dunno:
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I am not deflecting shit. Candidates during debates stretch facts, or numbers, or truths; they both did it during the debate, they're pulling shit out of their butt half the time because they are in the spot light.

I point out that a misinformation at a debate is nothing compared to knowingly compromising National Security, knowingly going against Federal Record laws, and knowingly lying to FBI, all while being in office! Then you add in the blood on her hands and its not even close.
 
blue32 said:
I am not deflecting shit. Candidates during debates stretch facts, or numbers, or truths; they both did it during the debate, they're pulling shit out of their butt half the time because they are in the spot light.

I point out that a misinformation at a debate is nothing compared to knowingly compromising National Security, knowingly going against Federal Record laws, and knowingly lying to FBI, all while being in office! Then you add in the blood on her hands and its not even close.
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Where were you when Bush had so many embassy and consulate deaths? We needed you then too.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3809204/Most-snap-polls-Trump-winning-debate-landslide.html

Majority of snap polls show Trump won debate by a landslide despite CNN's overwhelming victory for Hillary in biggest official survey
  • CNN's snap poll gave Clinton the win with 62 per cent to Trump's 27
  • But most of the others reported Trump was the winner by a landslide
  • The pair engaged in a vigorous back-and-forth at Hofstra University
  • Here, we present the results from snap polls conducted after the debate
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Wake up CNN robots.

Turn the channel and experience the real world for a change.
 
riverman said:
Vote for who you like but any intelligent viewer that watched that debate last night should have a clear picture of what the options are. Trump embarrassed himself quite simply.
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One thing stood out above all other things said last night. I don't understand why it is said or how anyone can expect it will work with one our biggest problems is Companies leaving the US and leaving the employees with no job.

Hillary will raise taxes on people and companies! How in the hell will this help prevent companies from leaving? Please, this has no answer so none is expected. This is Democrats talking to their base who apparently don't know it will not help. But it sounds very fair apparently. It sounds really dumb to me. No dumb isn't the right word, it is embarrassing.
 
dviss1 said:
Where were you when Bush had so many embassy and consulate deaths? We needed you then too.
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Bush? I'm sorry is he in this election cycle? Furthermore were we even on this forum board when he was in office?
 
It was the pilot episode of that new reality show everyone's talking about:

"Extreme Shit Show"
 
STOMP said:
A primary goal of the mainstream media in a Presidential campaign is to have a dynamic close race to cover and profit from. Hillary leads comfortably in this race by most polling so Trump receives the kid glove treatment to help him along. The last thing they want to do is bury him and have viewers decide it's over.

STOMP
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Wrong.

Mass media makes their money by controlling who runs the country. Look where they donate, look who they prop up and who they don't report bad news about.
 
Chris Craig said:
I know Trump supporters minds will not be swayed by the debate, and in fact they won't at all. There is no demonstration of logic or reality that can make that happen
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It's clear you're living in a tiny little room with artificial lights.

Get out of your little CNN box and experience the world. It's nowhere as dismal as CNN wants you to think.
 
blue32 said:
Bush? I'm sorry is he in this election cycle? Furthermore were we even on this forum board when he was in office?
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But.. b-but... Hillary! Obama! Forget what our president did. Forget (and if you're Guliani lie about it) that Bush had 9/11 on his watch. During the George W. Bush period, there were 13 attacks on various embassies and consulates around the world. Sixty people died.... Your silence on those matters is deafening. The only thing that matters is Clinton to you and giving the codes to the football to some racist, blathering, mouth breather.

Now go ahead and talk about how that is old news or understand your double standard. You choose.
 
There is nothing as agreegous against Hillary, as the miserable performance of Hillary at Benghazi or the lies she told about the cause of Benghazi.
Not one question about why she told those lies to the American people or the families of those killed.
Geez, Holt is a tool.
 
e_blazer said:
You're halfway there. I don't believe either of them.
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Well yeah, neither do I. As I've said many times, I don't like Cilnton at all. I think she's an unlikable liar... but, obviously, so is Donald Trump. He's also a petulant blowhard who constantly says stupid things that often times don't even make sense from an English speaking standpoint. I still just don't understand how anyone can look and listen to Trump and say, "He should be the president of our country." The only argument I see for that is that he's not a politician, and that's a good thing. That's almost like saying NBA refs suck so we should hire professional baseball players instead.
 
The claim that raising corporate taxes will only affect the supper rich, or top 1 or 2% is fiction. Even the top 10% is not close to the truth.

Raising corporate taxes will affect everyone that is invested in the stock market, which is 48% of all Americans. Almost half the people own stocks and/or retirement accounts, such as 401k and IRAs that own stocks.

Raising corporate taxes will have a negative affect on almost half our population. The majority of them are hard working middle class workers.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Website looks made up to me.
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Holy shit. Live in a cave?

The Daily Mail is a British daily conservative, middle-market[2][3] tabloid newspaper owned by the Daily Mail and General Trust.[4] First published in 1896 by Alfred Harmsworth, 1st Viscount Northcliffe, and his brother Harold Harmsworth, 1st Viscount Rothermere, it is the United Kingdom's second biggest-selling daily newspaper after The Sun.[5] Its sister paper The Mail on Sunday was launched in 1982. Scottish and Irish editions of the daily paper were launched in 1947 and 2006 respectively. The Daily Mail was Britain's first daily newspaper aimed at the newly literate "lower-middle class market resulting from mass education, combining a low retail price with plenty of competitions, prizes and promotional gimmicks",[6] and was the first British paper to sell a million copies a day.[7]


Jonathan Harmsworth, 4th Viscount Rothermere, a great-grandson of the one of the co-founders, is the current chairman and controlling shareholder of the Daily Mail and General Trust, though day-to-day editorial decisions for the newspaper are usually made by a team around the editor, Paul Dacre.


It was at the outset a newspaper for women, the first to provide features especially for them,[8][9] and in the second half of 2013 had a 54.77% female readership,[1] the only British newspaper whose female readers constitute more than 50% of its demographic.[10][11]


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dviss1 said:
But.. b-but... Hillary! Obama! Forget what our president did. Forget (and if you're Guliani lie about it) that Bush had 9/11 on his watch. During the George W. Bush period, there were 13 attacks on various embassies and consulates around the world. Sixty people died.... Your silence on those matters is deafening. The only thing that matters is Clinton to you and giving the codes to the football to some racist, blathering, mouth breather.

Now go ahead and talk about how that is old news or understand your double standard. You choose.
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I didn't vote for Bush. I also am not sure why you're trying to change the topic.

You missed the entire point of my post. The current person (Hillary) running for president is unfit and a criminal.


Lastly, there are now reports coming out that Hillary's camp had received the debate questions ahead of time....
 
oldfisherman said:
Raising corporate taxes will have a negative affect on almost half our population.
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I can not agree since that is nearly our biggest problem today as to why so many jobs are being lost when companies leave the country.
Raising the corporate taxes that are already the highest in the world will only expidite the exodus. The vast majority will be affected and many are already.
 
Chris Craig said:
No the answer isn't to give them further breaks, it's to make them follow the rules
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They do follow the rules. If they don't, it's tax evasion and a prison-able offense.

Of course everyone should take every deduction they legally can. If it leads to $0, then the behavior that led to $0 was what the government wanted when they wrote the tax code.
 
Legitimate question: In political debates, is it actually proper procedure for the moderator to challenge statements made by the debaters, or am I wrong in thinking that the moderator's job is really just to ask questions and enforce time limits?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Legitimate question: In political debates, is it actually proper procedure for the moderator to challenge statements made by the debaters, or am I wrong in thinking that the moderator's job is really just to ask questions and enforce time limits?
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Depends on who you're rooting for.
 
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