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barfo said:
Here you go.



barfo
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Here you go:

Summary of eRumor:

Hillary Clinton’s campaign has released a video in which New York architect Andrew Tesoro explains that Donald Trump’s organization didn’t pay his firm for thousands of dollars of design work on the Trump National Golf Club in Westchester, New York.

The Truth:

Andrew Tesoro’s claim that his architectural firm wasn’t paid in full by the Trump Organization appears to be true — but a few important details were left out of Hillary Clinton’s campaign video.

Specifically, Andrew Tesoro said the project grew in scope during the design process and his final invoice included about $80,000 in additional costs for architectural services. While those costs were for changes that were approved by Trump, Tesoro said that he expected to have to renegotiate his final invoice with the Trump Organization.

Still, Tesoro told Forbes that he liked Donald Trump on a personal level and believed that Trump was not “nearly as much of a demon as he often sounds like on the campaign trail.”

So, based on Tesoro’s account, his architectural firm was underpaid by the Trump Organization for its design work on the clubhouse at Trump National Clubhouse in New York. However, Tesoro said that he expected to renegotiate the final invoice with the Trump Organization.

That’s why we’re calling this one truth and misleading.

https://www.truthorfiction.com/architect-andrew-tesoro-conned-donald-trump/

IMO, Tesoro is a POS traitor to his country who routinely uses HB-1 VISA workers rather than Real Americans who have families to feed.
 
MARIS61 said:
It's clear you're living in a tiny little room with artificial lights.

Get out of your little CNN box and experience the world. It's nowhere as dismal as CNN wants you to think.
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Funny. I have experienced the world. I have traveled to several countries and lived different ways of life, different cultures. Built relationships and expanded my mind. After Hurricane Katrina happened I went down and helped rebuild houses and communities. So whatever little metaphoric room you are talking about, I don't live in it. I know how the world works, how ours and other governments work, and it's not a pretty sight.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Legitimate question: In political debates, is it actually proper procedure for the moderator to challenge statements made by the debaters, or am I wrong in thinking that the moderator's job is really just to ask questions and enforce time limits?
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Especially when the man left unasked most of the salient questions of the day for Hillary.
 
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riverman said:
She has done her homework Maris...she is prepared....go to her website and it's all clear what she plans...Trump won't tell you because he simply doesn't have any plans except to piss off the world and make the cost of doing business for the ultra rich, more profitable......All that said, I'm voting Gary Johnson for my own view of how govt should change. Trump won't change anything that'll help you unless you're a billionaire and if that's the case....congrats
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We're discussing the debate where it was apparent she hadn't even visited her own website as she did not provide details to any question asked on policy all night.

I've visited both websites repeatedly, unlike you, and frankly the only details are on Trump's site. Hillary's is clearly written by someone (Debbie Wasserman Schultz) who is not named Hillary and does not resemble any political action Hillary has ever done in her 30 years of ruining our country.
 
dviss1 said:
There's no reason to tell me to calm down. I'm completely calm. But for some reason you'd like insinuate something different...

The bold is a typical righty debate tactic. Let's deflect from the truth of my own candidate's lies and talk about his competitor. Um... I'm not voting for Clinton and am not disagreeing that she's a liar. So, no need to try to use that one.

Why can't you admit that trump is a liar too? :dunno:
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You have a better temperament than Drumphf that's for sure
 
Denny Crane said:
They do follow the rules. If they don't, it's tax evasion and a prison-able offense.

Of course everyone should take every deduction they legally can. If it leads to $0, then the behavior that led to $0 was what the government wanted when they wrote the tax code.
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No, they get away with it because they hide their money overseas in banks. It leads to $0 because the lawmakers were paid off to make those loopholes.
 
If you want to make $15 bucks hour, vote for Hillary.
If you think you will get 15 bucks hour after voting for Hillary, you are a fool.
If you want to work, vote for Trump.
If you think you will likely have a job after voting for Trump, you might be right.
If you want to like your candidate, write in your name.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Legitimate question: In political debates, is it actually proper procedure for the moderator to challenge statements made by the debaters, or am I wrong in thinking that the moderator's job is really just to ask questions and enforce time limits?
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You know I was wondering about that? I hadn't seen that before. I guess it's up to the moderator...If Trump has a problem with it, I guess he can he mention it before the debate to try and get it in the agreements....though he agreed not to interrupt and did anyway so, I guess that doesn't always work.
 
MarAzul said:
If you want to make $15 bucks hour, vote for Hillary.
If you think you will get 15 bucks hour after voting for Hillary, you are a fool.
If you want to work, vote for Trump.
If you think you will likely have a job after voting for Trump, you might be right.
If you want to like your candidate, write in your name.
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Fuck that work shit, I'm ready to live off of the govt's tit, who should I vote for?
 
riverman said:
It's not democratic to exclude all the presidential candidates from the debates....Johnson and Stein and the others should have had equal time and nat'l exposure....instead we still get stuck with the political divorce quibbling of the Dems and Republicans...Congress and the Senate have been a stalemate for a long time and our taxes are used watching them do nothing but argue and try to discredit the other party for the next election...one party is hell bent on making the opposition party president look bad for every year in office up to the next election.....our govt is not governing but practicing an endless election campaign....you want change.....don't vote for the two party dynasty
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I agree with Mr. Riverman on that all candidates running should be able to be part of the debates. It shouldn't be just a 2 party system.

I also think terms of senators and congressmen should be limited like the president...I think it's ridiculous we got lifers in there, that have been in Washington for like 32 years straight. Should be a two term limit like the president...leadership needs to be changed out on all levels periodically.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Wait, what? They were freaking out over a Howard Stern interview where he said "I guess so"??????

Lame
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That's literally the only piece of evidence that documents Trump's view on the war before it started. That's why it gets quoted. Trump claims to have been against the war before it started, but the only evidence that exists contradicts him.

Unless, of course, you call Sean Hannity. You should call Sean Hannity. I don't know why no one calls Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity.

barfo
 
Chris Craig said:
No, they get away with it because they hide their money overseas in banks. It leads to $0 because the lawmakers were paid off to make those loopholes.
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If true.. your solution is go w/a 30 year career politician?
 
MARIS61 said:
IMO, Tesoro is a POS traitor to his country who routinely uses HB-1 VISA workers rather than Real Americans who have families to feed.
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And what is your opinion about Trump, who uses (and indeed, abuses) H1B workers (and also married one)? Is he also a POS traitor to his country? Or are you going to give him a pass on his use of H1B workers?

This comes after a Jamaican model said she “felt like a slave” in a lawsuit against Trump’s agency, alleging that business violated labor and immigration laws and lied in a H1-B visa application about her salary.
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barfo
 
barfo said:
That's literally the only piece of evidence that documents Trump's view on the war before it started. That's why it gets quoted. Trump claims to have been against the war before it started, but the only evidence that exists contradicts him.

Unless, of course, you call Sean Hannity. You should call Sean Hannity. I don't know why no one calls Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity.

barfo
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Patently false.

Someone here posted a video of Trump in January 2003, that's before the invasion of Iraq, saying he was opposed.

Even in the video you all like to point to, he wasn't exactly for the war with any conviction. "I suppose," he said. Unlike you-know-who, who took to the floor of the senate and proudly cast her vote for the war, and "with conviction."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/27/2003-clip-backs-up-trump-on-iraq-war-opposition.html

2003 clip backs up Trump on Iraq War opposition

(video at the link)

But Cavuto himself picked up the thread post-debate on Fox Business Network, unearthing the clip Trump referenced, from January 28, 2003 – Nearly two months before the Iraq War began on March 20. In the video, Cavuto asks Trump how much time President Bush should spend on the economy vs. on Iraq.

“Well, I’m starting to think that people are much more focused now on the economy,” Trump said. “They’re getting a little bit tired of hearing ‘We’re going in, we’re not going in.’ Whatever happened to the days of Douglas MacArthur? Either do it or don’t do it.”

Trump continued: “Perhaps he shouldn’t be doing it yet. And perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations.”
 
Chris Craig said:
No, they get away with it because they hide their money overseas in banks. It leads to $0 because the lawmakers were paid off to make those loopholes.
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Those are the rules.

You're TAKING money from people who earned it. They're going to protect themselves. It's only fair.
 
blue32 said:
If true.. your solution is go w/a 30 year career politician?
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Let's see on one hand we a billionaire businesman who is going to rip the loophole wide open so big business can do what they please without any restriction and on the other hand a 20 year politician who is aiming for more restrictions....I'm not voting for the business man that's for sure
 
Denny Crane said:
Those are the rules.

You're TAKING money from people who earned it. They're going to protect themselves. It's only fair.
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No it's fair that if they are going to sell good here, regardless of where they are made, they should pay the tax to do so.
 
Chris Craig said:
No it's fair that if they are going to sell good here, regardless of where they are made, they should pay the tax to do so.
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They do collect sales tax on the goods. They pay tax on telephone lines, gasoline, sales tax on whatever they buy, property tax, 1/2 of employees' FICA/SS (and the entire salary that gets taxed in the first place), among many other taxes. Big businesses write gigantic checks to the government, quarterly, or the government would crumble under the weight of its own excess. In other words, they're at least the tax collectors.

It's still the rules. If there's a crime, bring 'em up on charges. That this hasn't happened is a clue to the reality of the situation (no crimes).

Don't you find it odd that Obama hired Jeffry Immelt, CEO of GE, to be his jobs czar? GE is notorious for paying $0 in tax.

There's not one shred of evidence Trump has his money parked overseas, BTW.
 
Denny Crane said:
Patently false.

Someone here posted a video of Trump in January 2003, that's before the invasion of Iraq, saying he was opposed.

Even in the video you all like to point to, he wasn't exactly for the war with any conviction. "I suppose," he said. Unlike you-know-who, who took to the floor of the senate and proudly cast her vote for the war, and "with conviction."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/27/2003-clip-backs-up-trump-on-iraq-war-opposition.html

2003 clip backs up Trump on Iraq War opposition

(video at the link)

But Cavuto himself picked up the thread post-debate on Fox Business Network, unearthing the clip Trump referenced, from January 28, 2003 – Nearly two months before the Iraq War began on March 20. In the video, Cavuto asks Trump how much time President Bush should spend on the economy vs. on Iraq.

“Well, I’m starting to think that people are much more focused now on the economy,” Trump said. “They’re getting a little bit tired of hearing ‘We’re going in, we’re not going in.’ Whatever happened to the days of Douglas MacArthur? Either do it or don’t do it.”

Trump continued: “Perhaps he shouldn’t be doing it yet. And perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations.”
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It sounded like Trump was not opposing a war with Iraq. He was basically saying he didn't know what the US should do. That somehow makes him right about something and a genius? Weird.
 
Chris Craig said:
Let's see on one hand we a billionaire businesman who is going to rip the loophole wide open so big business can do what they please without any restriction and on the other hand a 20 year politician who is aiming for more restrictions....I'm not voting for the business man that's for sure
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I'm not a trump fan, but... there's this saying - "he may be an asshole, but at least he'd be OUR asshole."
 
Sedatedfork said:
It sounded like Trump was not opposing a war with Iraq. He was basically saying he didn't know what the US should do. That somehow makes him right about something and a genius? Weird.
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It's certainly not pro war as the fact checkers say he was.

Makes you wonder about the objectivity of those fact checkers.
 
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