1st Debate! Trump vs Clinton

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
Chris Craig said:
Even so, this architect being naive and getting duped, doesn't excuse Donald Trump
Click to expand...

I didn't say it did. I said early on in his candidacy that Trump no doubt has a long history of shady business dealings that his opponents would be able to exploit to their advantage. Hillary is doing that. Trump will try to blow it off as standard business practices and that the country will be well served by a president who can make "great" deals for the US. I think he's full of crap and won't vote for him. That doesn't mean that he won't be able to pull this off and win the election.
 
blue32 said:
She wants to raise taxes on those people. That was my point. They indeed will be paying far more than they should. The top half already pay a ton of money into this system. 97.2% to be exact.

I do well for myself and I'll let you know I pay a fuck ton of tax, just so snot nosed brats can have leaded water at their shitty schools.
Click to expand...

I do pretty well myself, and I don't have a problem paying taxes. Im willing to pay my fair share. Its my responsibility. That's doing my part to keep our country going. If I were a billionaire or even a millionaire I'd be fine paying more.
 
e_blazer said:
I didn't say it did. I said early on in his candidacy that Trump no doubt has a long history of shady business dealings that his opponents would be able to exploit to their advantage. Hillary is doing that. Trump will try to blow it off as standard business practices and that the country will be well served by a president who can make "great" deals for the US. I think he's full of crap and won't vote for him. That doesn't mean that he won't be able to pull this off and win the election.
Click to expand...

God help us all if he does
 
Chris Craig said:
No the answer isn't to give them further breaks, it's to make them follow the rules
Click to expand...
They are following the rules.

The very rules career politicians like Hillary enacted.

What more do you want from them? Oh that's right more money because they succeed and <edited> , so its not fair! SMH.

edit: Sorry I apologize for a pot shot..
 
Chris Craig said:
God help us all if he does
Click to expand...

Yup. Unfortunately, Hillary isn't a hell of a lot better, IMO. Oh, she'll probably keep things going pretty much like they have the past 8 years. She's an insider's insider and knows DC as well as anyone. Unfortunately, she's also an unscrupulous, deceptive person whose first inclination is to hide and cover things up. Double yuck as far as I'm concerned.
 
Chris Craig said:
I do pretty well myself, and I don't have a problem paying taxes. Im willing to pay my fair share. Its my responsibility. That's doing my part to keep our country going. If I were a billionaire or even a millionaire I'd be fine paying more.
Click to expand...


You sound like my friend whose a mortgage broker, pulls in over 100K, complete metro and buys fancy ass clothes, super vain, etc.

He basically told us that he would vote for Bernie. And when posed w/the notion that he would end up paying more money into Bernie's cuck schemes, he said that he wouldn't mind giving up ALL his money for taxes so America would benefit. People say these things to try to make a point, but it's like Hillary's debate.. all made up plastic.

Such a complete farce. I do not believe either of you when you say these things.

Edit: Not to mention if you were a billionaire or millionaire, you'd be using the same tax laws to avoid paying enormous tax bills. Much like everyone else does; by showing losses on certain properties or businesses, among other things. JFizzle probably knows more than us all on it.
 
blue32 said:
To me everyone with a brain DOES have a fair chance. You just have to be smart.

Fair chance doesn't mean raising taxes on a certain group of people. Trump wants to lower taxes on a lot of wage earners and businesses to drive business back into America. It's pretty obvious when you look at the details of his tax agenda. What incentives do corporations have to do business here when they can go elsewhere with their workforce and pay less? Hillary will keep that aspect going, while Trump wants to fix it. I really think you should read more into what he proposes.
Click to expand...
businesses that are global actually make money from overseas markets...Ford sells cars in China for example...American businesses getting profits overseas is status quo...news flash...they're not coming back make cars here and ship them to China..they'll just make them there..I don't know why folks don't understand that....factories here need to be competitive and if they workers weren't taxed to death on their incomes....they might even afford to buy an American made car here at home. Trump makes things overseas and always has. Trump stiffed contractors with families to feed in his own backyard....if you think he'll make anything great again, it'll be his own bank account only
 
riverman said:
businesses that are global actually make money from overseas markets...Ford sells cars in China for example...American businesses getting profits overseas is status quo...news flash...they're not coming back make cars here and ship them to China..they'll just make them there..I don't know why folks don't understand that....factories here need to be competitive and if they workers weren't taxed to death on their incomes....they might even afford to buy an American made car here at home. Trump makes things overseas and always has. Trump stiffed contractors with families to feed in his own backyard....if you think he'll make anything great again, it'll be his own bank account only
Click to expand...

He makes things overseas because with the current laws/taxes that career politicians have put into place, it's beneficial for him to do so. Its quite simple really. This is his whole entire point. There is no reason to do business here at this moment in time and he wants to change that.

As an example:

http://dailysignal.com/2016/02/23/how-to-stop-us-companies-from-leaving-the-us/amp/

http://www.groco.com/article/who_is...nies_leaving_the_country_for_lower_taxes.aspx
 
Last edited:
blue32 said:
He makes things overseas because with the current laws/taxes that career politicians have put into place, it's beneficial for him to do so. Its quite simple really. This is his whole entire point. There is no reason to do business here at this moment in time and he wants to change that.
Click to expand...
He is sabre rattling....and I bought my land in America from working overseas for 20 years and saving money..then invested that money in Oregon..if you think there aren't work permitted computer engineers working in the Bay Area that take their profits and invest them in their native countries...you are uninformed...using nationalistic rants, being divisive and sowing doom, gloom and fear are all Trump has to vent about...and he does this with a complete double standard from his own history....don't buy the snake oil he's selling....it's sensationalized to appeal to zealots who want the good ole boys who controlled this country by force to take power back....Hitler did the exact same thing in the 1930s....The mullah of Iran did the same thing in more modern history....rile up the people about the great Satan and make them hate their neighbors
 
e_blazer said:
Trump is an ass and he no doubt takes advantage of the little guys who work for him. I wouldn't vote for him if he was the only guy on the ballot. That said, this architect was in way over his head and much of the fault is due to his own business practices.
Click to expand...

Trump fleeces the sheep, and this guy is one. Other sheep: Trump U. students, Trump voters.

barfo
 
Somewhere in this section of past threads, I have mentioned at least twice that I have disliked Trump since long before he decided to run for public office. Trump was well known in the business community as someone you did not want to do business with. You would get screwed if you did business with Trump, period.

That said, many people still did business with him. Reason, he would dangle a sweet carrot. Some people could not resist the temptation. Some people just trust everyone.

He is using the same techniques in his campaign that he uses business. He makes wild promises, tangles the carrot. If you think he will deliver on his promises, you are just as naive as the architect who appears to be a very nice person, that trusted a con artist.
 
blue32 said:
Trump on coke... hahaha Are you serious? Is that what the left is resorting too now? LOL.

The moderator was a little bias towards Clinton. Donald dick slapped her on the point of her team bringing up the Obama Muslim garb picture. When they started with the birther nonsense. Destroyed her on her corrupt DNC, although some of the points got lost because he was trying to talk about too many things in a short amount of the time.

I especially loved it when he says something like "sure you may have a lot of experience, a lot of bad experience". Pretty damn true. Hillary in her position in office has done jack shit to further this country.

All she is going to be known for is Benghazi, and her corrupt bullshit lies about her email.
Click to expand...

Trump looked like he was on coke. I'm not saying he was.

This post confirms that of you're completely against Clinton you'll see weird things. Moderator was bias? With Trump acting like it was a courtroom TV show (he interrupted her almost every time she spoke with one of his rabid responses). He interrupted Holt SO many times just to tell another lie. He was pretty incoherent for most of that shit show.
 
dviss1 said:
Trump looked like he was on coke. I'm not saying he was.

This post confirms that of you're completely against Clinton you'll see weird things. Moderator was bias? With Trump acting like it was a courtroom TV show (he interrupted her almost every time she spoke with one of his rabid responses). He interrupted Holt SO many times just to tell another lie. He was pretty incoherent for most of that shit show.
Click to expand...


If you don't think he was bias slightly towards Hillary you are deaf my friend. He barely touches the email scandal (only when Trump brought it up), he doesn't touch Benghazi, nor does he touch the DNC and how Hillary has hired the recently resigned chair.

Yet he blasts him about his tax returns, birther bullshit, and this stupid ass Iraq war that was years ago.

It was bias pure and simple. Not strong, but it was there.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
I'm not voting for either of them but how the fuck can anyone with a brain think Trump won the debate last night? I guess if you want a blabbering idiot as your president it makes sense..
Click to expand...
Redo Nafta
20 trillion in debt with shitty infrastructure
If I paid taxes you'd have wasted them anyway
Jobs leaving the country
Bring trillions of dollars back to this country.
Inner cities like living in a hellhole
You've been doing this for thirty years
The fed is completely political

If he was more self aware and just said something like "I've taken advantage of many of the loopholes and regulations that have hurt this country. In my life I've seen what some of these things have dont to the middle class. I'll try and fix them, not as an insider who wants to profit off of you. I've done that and I want to stop it from happening in the future"

He'd win by a mile, but he has spent too much time talking out his ass and making fun of disabled reporters and multiple other things they can make ads about and make people aware of how off he can be.

He says he knows more about ISIS than the generals. If he just admitted when he doesn't know everything people would love him. Right now he is just like a poster on a message board who rambles on.


Anyway, the things I listed are how a sane person could think he won. Those issues are important to people.
 
blue32 said:
It was bias pure and simple. Not strong, but it was there.
Click to expand...
I have seen Hillary supporters passionately claim the opposite. I didn't watch much of the debate, so I honestly have no opinion on it, but if this election cycle has taught me anything it's that people see what they want to see.
 
Also, the Trumpers seem to have more loyal supporters than Hillary. They seem very politically motivated. Social Media is so skewed. I have a hard time figuring out whether it is representative at all of any political realities.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Redo Nafta
20 trillion in debt with shitty infrastructure
If I paid taxes you'd have wasted them anyway
Jobs leaving the country
Bring trillions of dollars back to this country.
Inner cities like living in a hellhole
You've been doing this for thirty years
The fed is completely political

If he was more self aware and just said something like "I've taken advantage of many of the loopholes and regulations that have hurt this country. In my life I've seen what some of these things have dont to the middle class. I'll try and fix them, not as an insider who wants to profit off of you. I've done that and I want to stop it from happening in the future"

He'd win by a mile, but he has spent too much time talking out his ass and making fun of disabled reporters and multiple other things they can make ads about and make people aware of how off he can be.

He says he knows more about ISIS than the generals. If he just admitted when he doesn't know everything people would love him. Right now he is just like a poster on a message board who rambles on.


Anyway, the things I listed are how a sane person could think he won. Those issues are important to people.
Click to expand...

Just a minor addition: "I've taken advantage of many of the loopholes and regulations that have hurt this country. Loopholes created by the Congress that my opponent was a part of and that were signed into law by her husband. In my life I've seen what some of these things have dont to the middle class. I'll try and fix them, not as an insider who wants to profit off of you. I've done that and I want to stop it from happening in the future"
 
yuyuza1 said:
It makes me sad that tens of millions of people will vote for this idiot.

Sad state of affairs that she's even gotten this far.

That was an ass whooping of the grandest of scales.
Click to expand...

fify.
 
blue32 said:
e was bias slightly towards Hillary you are deaf my friend. He barely touches the email scandal (only when Trump brought it up), he doesn't touch Benghazi, nor does he touch the DNC and how Hillary has hired the recently resigned chair.

Yet he blasts him about his tax returns, birther bullshit, and this stupid ass Iraq war thing.

It was bias pure and simple. Not strong, but it was there.
Click to expand...

Blasts? Is that truly the adverb you want to use to describe what he did? If Trump didn't blatantly LIE about all of those things there wouldn't have been any follow up question to ask.

Trump overtalked everyone on the stage with incoherent lie after lie. At least Clinton answered the questions. Bias... Rightys always complain about the moderator having to deal with their candidates lies.

I'm not voting for either of them. I CAN'T STAND Clinton.

But it's pretty obvious that you can't see past your bias for a frothy mouthed, blather filled, bag of sweat to see how sorry he is.
 
blue32 said:
You sound like my friend whose a mortgage broker, pulls in over 100K, complete metro and buys fancy ass clothes, super vain, etc.

He basically told us that he would vote for Bernie. And when posed w/the notion that he would end up paying more money into Bernie's cuck schemes, he said that he wouldn't mind giving up ALL his money for taxes so America would benefit. People say these things to try to make a point, but it's like Hillary's debate.. all made up plastic.

Such a complete farce. I do not believe either of you when you say these things.

Edit: Not to mention if you were a billionaire or millionaire, you'd be using the same tax laws to avoid paying enormous tax bills. Much like everyone else does; by showing losses on certain properties or businesses, among other things. JFizzle probably knows more than us all on it.
Click to expand...

I am nothing like your friend. I am not metro or vain. I don't spend my money on expensive clothes and such. I am actually a very thrifty guy.
 
e_blazer said:
Just a minor addition: "I've taken advantage of many of the loopholes and regulations that have hurt this country. Loopholes created by the Congress that my opponent was a part of and that were signed into law by her husband. In my life I've seen what some of these things have dont to the middle class. I'll try and fix them, not as an insider who wants to profit off of you. I've done that and I want to stop it from happening in the future"
Click to expand...

How does anyone believe him? Does he seem like a sincere guy to his supporters? That blows my mind.
 
dviss1 said:
Blasts? Is that truly the adverb you want to use to describe what he did? If Trump didn't blatantly LIE about all of those things there wouldn't have been any follow up question to ask.

Trump overtalked everyone on the stage with incoherent lie after lie. At least Clinton answered the questions. Bias... Rightys always complain about the moderator having to deal with their candidates lies.

I'm not voting for either of them. I CAN'T STAND Clinton.

But it's pretty obvious that you can't see past your bias for a frothy mouthed blather filled bag of sweat to see how sorry he is.
Click to expand...


Shall I pick a different word so you calm down?

Lies? Let's not talk about whose the worse liar in this race. We have 33,000 reasons and some dead Americans to show whose the worst.
 
e_blazer said:
Just a minor addition: "I've taken advantage of many of the loopholes and regulations that have hurt this country. Loopholes created by the Congress that my opponent was a part of and that were signed into law by her husband. In my life I've seen what some of these things have dont to the middle class. I'll try and fix them, not as an insider who wants to profit off of you. I've done that and I want to stop it from happening in the future"
Click to expand...
Yep, he could have walked off and said "I have important things to do, more important than trading talking points with a career politician"

That would be awesome with the right guy. Cuban ALMOST seems like that guy but then he proves he is out of touch just like any rich dude.
 
I kept waiting for the police to run out on stage and shoot the black guy.
 
I think most voters decided a year ago who they'll vote for....any polls or graphs are just feeding the chatter on the internet and tv.....I've never answered a poll about my political views by any nat'l polling group...nor has anyone I know. I think when the vote comes out, people will be surprised that it wasn't decided by the internet or news media but by informed citizens with their own opinions...being loud doesn't make Trump right. The silent majority that votes doesn't need to gather and shout about it one way or the other. Vote for who you like but any intelligent viewer that watched that debate last night should have a clear picture of what the options are. Trump embarrassed himself quite simply.
 
blue32 said:
I especially loved it when he says something like "sure you may have a lot of experience, a lot of bad experience".
Click to expand...

Killer comeback and the defining moment in the debate.

Here is all the proof you need to see MassMedia is owned by the DNC and their owners.

Were they impartial and unbiased that would be the phrase re-itterated ad naseum for the next few weeks, all but assuring Clinton's demise. Every campaign has a defining phrase embraced by the media that decides who we get for President. That is the reality of our election process today.

Clinton has no imagination and can't move her lips without lying so they are truly struggling to find a serious catchphrase to help save her ass from jail (where she is going if she loses the election), but she's never made a memorable statement in her long, long life of political pandering and failures heaped on top of failures.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top