1st Debate! Trump vs Clinton (1 Viewer)

[Denny Crane]

LMAO

I haven't said one thing pro Trump.

Not one.

I've written that the post debate polls say he won. That's not me saying "go vote for Trump, I'm going to."

I'm frankly shocked how criminal Clinton is that Trump can even have any traction at all.

If Republicans nominated almost any of the other 17 who ran, we'd be looking at a republican elected for sure.

She's that bad that he is worth people voting for him.

 

[Denny Crane]

There is no such thing as objectivity in politics. It's all a big joke.

If you're going to wear the fact checker badge, you better actually check facts or be barfo.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Trump is going to announce that he won't participate in anymore debates.

Hahahahahahaha!

 

[oldfisherman]

Hillary kept saying throughout the debate to go to fact checker.
Maybe she knew something about the way they would slant their responses.
I remember at least one lie she told that fact checker did not catch.

She said our police are outgunned.
That may have been true 15 years ago. But today the police are very well armed. Unless there are RPGs on the streets, the police are not outgunned. Many large to medium size city swat teams travel in armored vehicles, which the bad guys do not have.

Here is an article about 600 small towns inheriting armored vehicles from the military.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/as-wars-...nherit-armored-vehicles-233505138.html?ref=gs

 

[oldfisherman]

Trump is going to announce that he won't participate in anymore debates.

Hahahahahahaha!

The way I heard it, Trump will show up for the debate, BUT, only if Hillary is not there.

 

[barfo]

That's literally the only piece of evidence that documents Trump's view on the war before it started. That's why it gets quoted. Trump claims to have been against the war before it started, but the only evidence that exists contradicts him.

barfo

Patently false.
Someone here posted a video of Trump in January 2003, that's before the invasion of Iraq, saying he was opposed.

I was wrong - I was unaware of the Cavuto interview. However, it does not really back up Trump's claim.

"Well, he has either got to do something or not do something, perhaps, because perhaps shouldn't be doing it yet and perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations, you know," Trump said. "He's under a lot of pressure. I think he's doing a very good job. But, of course, if you look at the polls, a lot of people are getting a little tired. I think the Iraqi situation is a problem. And I think the economy is a much bigger problem as far as the president is concerned."

That does not add up to opposition to the war. That adds up to 'I don't know'. If he'd claimed he was neither for or against the war, I think he'd have a good case (if a somewhat irrelevant one).

Let's remember that it wasn't fact checkers who claimed that he was in favor of the war. It's Trump that claimed he was opposed. That's the claim at issue.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It's Trump that claimed he was opposed. That's the claim at issue.

"I was among the earliest to criticize the rush to war (in Iraq), and yes, even before the war ever started."
— Donald Trump on Wednesday, June 22nd, 2016 in a speech

 

[Denny Crane]

I was wrong - I was unaware of the Cavuto interview. However, it does not really back up Trump's claim.



That does not add up to opposition to the war. That adds up to 'I don't know'. If he'd claimed he was neither for or against the war, I think he'd have a good case (if a somewhat irrelevant one).

Let's remember that it wasn't fact checkers who claimed that he was in favor of the war. It's Trump that claimed he was opposed. That's the claim at issue.

barfo

His claim is backed up by this video.

The "fact checkers" were satisfied to stop looking once they got their desired "facts."

 

[Denny Crane]

"I was among the earliest to criticize the rush to war (in Iraq), and yes, even before the war ever started."
— Donald Trump on Wednesday, June 22nd, 2016 in a speech

How is this untrue?

We now have the video where he was opposed, even before the war started.

Trump continued: “Perhaps he shouldn’t be doing it yet. And perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations.”

Seems critical of the "rush to war."

 

[Sedatedfork]

How is this untrue?

We now have the video where he was opposed, even before the war started.

Where in that video did he oppose the war? He said gee, I don't know, a lot of people are more concerned about the economy, perhaps we should wait for the United Nations, gee, I don't know....

 

[Denny Crane]

Where in that video did he oppose the war? He said gee, I don't know, a lot of people are more concerned about the economy, perhaps we should wait for the United Nations, gee, I don't know....

Trump continued: “Perhaps he shouldn’t be doing it yet. And perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations.”

 

[Denny Crane]

CNN continues to report Trump lied, even though they must know by now about this 2003 video.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Trump continued: “Perhaps he shouldn’t be doing it yet. And perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations.”

Are you saying that perhaps that was opposition, or that it was actually opposition, or that perhaps he shouldn't be opposing it yet or perhaps he should be waiting for others to oppose. I think you are saying that he was opposing the war, but it's so hard to tell.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

That's literally the only piece of evidence that documents Trump's view on the war before it started. That's why it gets quoted. Trump claims to have been against the war before it started, but the only evidence that exists contradicts him.

Unless, of course, you call Sean Hannity. You should call Sean Hannity. I don't know why no one calls Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity.

barfo

Except that according to the link provided it isn't the only evidence.

I told an ex who asked me if I wanted to get a Vasectomy "I guess so"

That was 20 years ago too and I've never got one. Guess I lied.

 

[Chris Craig]

Trump is going to announce that he won't participate in anymore debates.

Hahahahahahaha!

Can he do that? I don't think any candidate has ever done that? If he does that's as good as throwing up a white flag and forfeiting the election.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Patently false.

Someone here posted a video of Trump in January 2003, that's before the invasion of Iraq, saying he was opposed.

Even in the video you all like to point to, he wasn't exactly for the war with any conviction. "I suppose," he said. Unlike you-know-who, who took to the floor of the senate and proudly cast her vote for the war, and "with conviction."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/27/2003-clip-backs-up-trump-on-iraq-war-opposition.html

2003 clip backs up Trump on Iraq War opposition

(video at the link)

But Cavuto himself picked up the thread post-debate on Fox Business Network, unearthing the clip Trump referenced, from January 28, 2003 – Nearly two months before the Iraq War began on March 20. In the video, Cavuto asks Trump how much time President Bush should spend on the economy vs. on Iraq.

“Well, I’m starting to think that people are much more focused now on the economy,” Trump said. “They’re getting a little bit tired of hearing ‘We’re going in, we’re not going in.’ Whatever happened to the days of Douglas MacArthur? Either do it or don’t do it.”

Trump continued: “Perhaps he shouldn’t be doing it yet. And perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations.”

Maybe they can find a Reflector interview from 2005 where Hillary is asked if she would let gays marry and she answers "I suppose"

I keep seeing 2013 as when she endorsed it.

Whoops, while googling it I found a 2002 video where she got booed for being against it. Old people sure are stubborn.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Well it certainly doesn't look like Trump was out protesting in the streets over Iraq but whatever.

 

[kingslayer]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3809204/Most-snap-polls-Trump-winning-debate-landslide.html

Majority of snap polls show Trump won debate by a landslide despite CNN's overwhelming victory for Hillary in biggest official survey

• CNN's snap poll gave Clinton the win with 62 per cent to Trump's 27
• But most of the others reported Trump was the winner by a landslide
• The pair engaged in a vigorous back-and-forth at Hofstra University
• Here, we present the results from snap polls conducted after the debate

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/

Seems quite obvious.

 

[Chris Craig]

"To keep up with Trump's bullshit they had to outsource fact-checking to China. Sad." - Bill Maher

LMAO

 

[Chris Craig]

And now Trump wants to bring up Bill's affairs. What a fucking hippocrit. How me affairs has he had? What about his own infidelities. Shit, each of his wife's were his mistress before he married them.

 

[MarAzul]

Let's see now,

Hillary voted for the war in Iraq. That is on record, she voted as a Senator.
Trump says he opposed the war but he didn't vote so there is no official record.

She says he is lying.

Cavuto Support Trump. Hanity Supports Trump as long time friend who was for the war.
Barfo won't accept Hanity's word because he is Hanity.
I was against the war in Iraq, Trump was on my side when listening to Hannity.
I didn't vote against the war, so I can't prove I was against the war. Is that something to call a man a liar over? Hillary did, Barbo does. Is this sensible?

Hillary told us Benghazi was cause by a fucking video made by an amateur. I looked at the video the first day I heard about it, and it was too poor to cause anyone to get pissed.
Now telling people this yarn is fucking lying on a grand scale. Lester Holt didn't ask though. I would like to have asked her, was it sensible to jail the man that made the video
as she promised they would do?

 

[MarAzul]

And now Trump wants to bring up Bill's affairs. What a fucking hippocrit. How me affairs has he had? What about his own infidelities. Shit, each of his wife's were his mistress before he married them.

Yes but he does know what to do with a cigar!

 

[Chris Craig]

Yes but he does know what to do with a cigar!

No because he isnt cool like that

 

[MarAzul]

cool

Bill was Cool?

 

[MARIS61]

By all liberal accounts, Trump publicly opposed the Iraq war no later than 2005. That's years before most posters here and most Americans nationwide figured out our government had lied to us about who attacked us, who financed it, and of course that little white lie about WMD's.

Hillary still supports it 100% to this day.

 

[MARIS61]

And she has an insatiable, sociopathic bloodthirst:

 

[MarAzul]

course that little white lie about WMD's

I am not so sure WMD were lies either. They were used on the Kurds and Iran. Seem to be plenty in the area today. We didn't find any but that doesn't prove a thing.

 

[Denny Crane]

Are you saying that perhaps that was opposition, or that it was actually opposition, or that perhaps he shouldn't be opposing it yet or perhaps he should be waiting for others to oppose. I think you are saying that he was opposing the war, but it's so hard to tell.

He said he was opposed to the rush to war.

Sure looks like he suggested not rushing to war.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/

Seems quite obvious.

My first post said that these polls are not scientific.

People can vote more than once, as well.

 

[oldfisherman]

Why is Trump’s opinion on the war so important? He was not a politician with inside info to help him form an opinion. He was relying on the same info we got from the press, which was very slanted.

We have many important issues to fix in this country. Spending so much time on this topic is a waste of energy.