2 officers shot at Dallas Texas police protest

[SlyPokerDog]

The photo IS the description. How much more descriptive can they be?

You said if the person in the picture matches the description given by police they should detain him.

Now you're saying the photo IS the description.

So if a photo matches a photo that person is a suspect?!? That doesn't make any sense. What if the picture was of a white man with a gun? According to you as long as the picture matches the picture then that person is a suspect. Again, that doesn't make any sense. Print one copy of a picture, print a second copy of the same picture, check to see if the copies match, we have our suspect!



Won't you gimme two pics,

gimme two pics, mister

gimme two pics for the jail door,

gimme two pics,

gimme two pics, mister

and you won't see that black man no more!


I know you love to argue about silly shit like this but come on, this is ridiculous. Isn't something about Hillary you could rant about?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I don't know why people are arguing over this, the answer is in the current events you're discussing. Have the robots with bombs stop black guys, if they comply and hand over their identification without resisting we don't blow them up with bombs.

If you catch a black guy with gold teeth selling bootlegs outside a 7/11, send in Johnny Five (loaded with C4 of course) BOOOM

Black guy in a car with a concealed weapon...BOOOOOOM

The next time there is a brawl in WalMart where black guys are running to sporting goods to get a bat to brawl with.....instead of a robot with a bomb, program one of the electric scooters to drive up on them with a BOOOOM.

Does nobody care that the first time any of us heard of the cops just blowing up some guy it is a black guy?

How many paranoid schizophrenics are the police going to blow up now?

 

[Sinobas]

This whole idea that cops are going around killing black people for no reason all the time is a media fabrication. Many more white people are shot every year than Blacks, even though Blacks are involved in more crime. People's perception is based on the media and how it reports things, not on facts.

This whole thing was set off by the Micheal Brown case, but the justice department did a through investigation and determined that the shooting was justified. Yet these morons keep repeating that baseless "hands up don't shoot" bullshit. Now every time a black person is shot they want to start a riot.

 

[MarAzul]

So you're in Bandon, Oregon complaining about someone in Dallas, Texas protesting about something that happened in Minnesota?!?

Think on it awhile Sly, I am pretty sure you can connect the dots. But if you can't, I probably can't help.

 

[Denny Crane]

You said if the person in the picture matches the description given by police they should detain him.

Now you're saying the photo IS the description.

So if a photo matches a photo that person is a suspect?!? That doesn't make any sense. What if the picture was of a white man with a gun? According to you as long as the picture matches the picture then that person is a suspect. Again, that doesn't make any sense. Print one copy of a picture, print a second copy of the same picture, check to see if the copies match, we have our suspect!



Won't you gimme two pics,

gimme two pics, mister

gimme two pics for the jail door,

gimme two pics,

gimme two pics, mister

and you won't see that black man no more!


I know you love to argue about silly shit like this but come on, this is ridiculous. Isn't something about Hillary you could rant about?

The oceans are dead - strike 1
The NRA was silent - strike 2
You can't even quote what I did say - strike 3

You need a mulligan?

The police tweeted his picture and said he was a suspect. He voluntarily gave up his gun and turned himself in.

Yep, the cops were fine, they weren't being racist, and they violated nobody's 2nd amendment rights.

Now you wanted the NRA to speak up about it for no good reason. If you don't get it, maybe a third grader can explain it to you. It ain't rocket science.

 

[blue32]

No I'm not, you are saying that photo matches a description of the shooter released by police. I'm saying very clearly that the police released the photo but never said the person matches a description of the shooter. They never released a description of the shooter like you are claiming they did.

The reason they had that guys picture all over was because he was the ONLY KNOWN person to have an AR-type gun at the protest. His picture was already being blown up by media and social media before the Police department even got to it.

Now, having them retract the photo and say something about the guy I can agree with. But all of the other bullshit, no, he was a legitimate suspect at the time.

 

[Blazerstc]

Actually no, I don't have statistics currently in hand, though I suspect I can easily find them. But in this instance it would be like asking me to provide statistics to prove Damian Lillard is a great ball player. I trust my eyes and ears to confirm it. Not everything in life needs (IMHO generally overrated) statistics to prove a point. Especially this particular point. Proof is everywhere around us virtually daily. And yes, most definitely I'm on an emotionally charged rant that has nothing to do with what media does or does not want. I base my rant on spending 62 years of life watching the same old bullshit play out year after year while we engage in the same old rationalization so and shit never changes except for the worst.

When the KKK makes threats against black lives, we generally just laugh at them as the ignorant clowns they are, despite their violent history against blacks. We don't take them seriously because they don't threaten white lives, therefore we have no skin in the game. We certainly don't spend a whole lot of time trying to respect the black perspective in these instances. But let an angry black man threaten a white life and we run screaming for our lives and our guns. I am truly befuddled by how cold whites are in general to issues that negatively impact minority lives. I have finally and truly come understand the meaning of white privilege.

That's the whole point. Have you seen first hand, or experienced these acts against blacks? In your 62 years, have you personally seen a black person gunned down and killed for no reason by cops? You trust your eyes and ears, but it isn't first hand experience, it's what you see and hear in the media. How can you not look into stats and say stats are overrated in one aspect that has a lot of intangibles (basketball), and compare it and completely disregard it in real life? How about the rates which whites are killed in comparison to Asians? Whites are killed at a higher rate than Asians, they must be profiling whites compared to Asians, right? Or the rate of men vs women? They're profiling against men? Or maybe the actions of certain groups of people has an influence on some of these stats.

I am not defending either of these recent killings, but I do think that there is a large bias on both sides of the fence that makes people think irrationally.

 

[Blazerstc]

Dude. 64% of america is white. Of course white people will be killed by cops as a whole more often. Thats why stats are stupid. You can usually fit them into your argument however you want

Do you know the percentage of Police Officers killed by certain races? About 52% of the offenders were white, compared to 43% black. Odd because the white population is more than 5 times the black population. You're hypocritical when you state facts can be used to fit your argument, when you do the exact same thing.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

And?

So because white people don't care about white people being killed by the police, black people shouldn't care about black people being killed by them?

No one is stopping you from protesting against police violence against white people. If you don't care about black people why do you care if they have an issue about how police treat them?

You realize a debate professor would slap you with all the debate no nos you use?

 

[Sinobas]

You realize a debate professor would slap you with all the debate no nos you use?

Ugh...slypokerdog is the worst debater ever. When he tries to discuss something, all that comes up is an endless stream of fallacies. But hey...I guess we can't expect much more from a dog.

 

[Sinobas]

I think the media is partially responsible for creating this frenzy. And politicians are under pressure to promote the idea that racism is the primary force behind these shootings, which gives further credibility to the notion in that officers are on a black killing spree.

The fact is, this sort of thing is not new. Officers have been doing shit like this for decades, and all races are victimized. I'm not saying race has nothing to do with it, but it's not the central issue.

As I've said before more white people are shot by police, even though black people commit more violent crime. So if anything, you could say white people are disporportionaliy targeted by police. But I don't think that is the issue at all.

The focus should be on officers, they should be screened with personality tests and given better training, and also held accountable for what they do. But the black lives matter movement fans flames of hatred against white people and police in general, to the point where this guy is motivated to "kill white people" especially officers". And a spokesman for BLM says she understands why he did it.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Do you know the percentage of Police Officers killed by certain races? About 52% of the offenders were white, compared to 43% black. Odd because the white population is more than 5 times the black population. You're hypocritical when you state facts can be used to fit your argument, when you do the exact same thing.

So wait. Im a hypocrit when all youre doing is confirming what i was trying to say? That stats can be used and adjusted to always be presented in a way to try and prove your point?

Look, i feel for the police. I really do. They have families at the end of the day to go home to. Sometimes you only have a split second to make a decision and sometimes you might fuck up and do something terribly wrong. Cops deal with peoples shit constantly, greatly unwarranted at times. Its easy for a cop to eventually be cold to a lot of peoples issues. I get it.

Think about this for a second.... im white. When a cop drives behind me, or is near me i get nervous. I get angst. And i want to get as far away as i can. Im a law abiding citizen. I dont know why i feel this way. I just do.

Now, black people feel this same way. However, there is an added fear of what does this cop want to do to me as they are being pulled over. Is this cop racist? Do i fit the profile? Is the cop going to hurt me? Right or wrong, these are the thoughts and fears many black people think about. As a white person, i will literally never have to have those added thoughts and fears in my entire life.

Its a shitty time in the usa.

Is it better than 20 years ago? Of course. But that still is not good enough.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

That's the whole point. Have you seen first hand, or experienced these acts against blacks? In your 62 years, have you personally seen a black person gunned down and killed for no reason by cops? You trust your eyes and ears, but it isn't first hand experience, it's what you see and hear in the media. How can you not look into stats and say stats are overrated in one aspect that has a lot of intangibles (basketball), and compare it and completely disregard it in real life? How about the rates which whites are killed in comparison to Asians? Whites are killed at a higher rate than Asians, they must be profiling whites compared to Asians, right? Or the rate of men vs women? They're profiling against men? Or maybe the actions of certain groups of people has an influence on some of these stats.

I am not defending either of these recent killings, but I do think that there is a large bias on both sides of the fence that makes people think irrationally.

Do you know the percentage of Police Officers killed by certain races? About 52% of the offenders were white, compared to 43% black. Odd because the white population is more than 5 times the black population. You're hypocritical when you state facts can be used to fit your argument, when you do the exact same thing.

I think the media is partially responsible for creating this frenzy. And politicians are under pressure to promote the idea that racism is the primary force behind these shootings, which gives further credibility to the notion in that officers are on a black killing spree.

The fact is, this sort of thing is not new. Officers have been doing shit like this for decades, and all races are victimized. I'm not saying race has nothing to do with it, but it's not the central issue.

As I've said before more white people are shot by police, even though black people commit more violent crime. So if anything, you could say white people are disporportionaliy targeted by police. But I don't think that is the issue at all.

The focus should be on officers, they should be screened with personality tests and given better training, and also held accountable for what they do. But the black lives matter movement fans flames of hatred against white people and police in general, to the point where this guy is motivated to "kill white people" especially officers". And a spokesman for BLM says she understands why he did it.

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/3943767/

 

[Natebishop3]

You're all shitty debaters.

I am the king!

 

[Minstrel]

You're all shitty debaters.

I am the king!

You don't even know how to use Reddit right.

Kappa

 

[Minstrel]

On a more serious note, I'd encourage everyone participating in this thread not to treat this as a debate. When you treat these types of things as a debate, you're invested in winning and that can take away from your ability to incorporate good points or viewpoints and experiences you simply don't have access to, based on your background and all your identifying factors.

I'm not trying to out-logic anyone or beat anyone down to make them see the light. I generally try to avoid being snarky these days on serious topics (except with Denny, because he obviously deserves it). I just want to inject my perspective and read others' perspectives, because conversation leads to probing holes in our thinking about issues that we never necessarily confront (especially if we mostly only talk to people we agree with or read things from sources that share our general world view). If I didn't want to read, respond to and be confronted by differing opinions, I'd just ignore this thread or sub-forum.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Bandwagonfansince77]

Difficult at times to refrain from entering the fray. So much of what is said here is rubbish and unfortunately no matter how much explanation is used to show why an argument is bad the OP will stick to his guns, no pun intended. One can even agree with anothers conclusion and say merely the one argument used to prove the conclusion is faulty and the OP will balk at looking in to whether their rationale is legitimate.

It's like a competition or game here instead of an honest inquiry. Once the commenter has been pegged as adversary there is no comment they can make to get the OP to see things differently. Well, at least they won't admit it here for others to see. Never admit you might be wrong, it's a sign of weakness I guess.

Wargames the movie said it best.

 

[Bandwagonfansince77]

So wait. Im a hypocrit when all youre doing is confirming what i was trying to say? That stats can be used and adjusted to always be presented in a way to try and prove your point?

Look, i feel for the police. I really do. They have families at the end of the day to go home to. Sometimes you only have a split second to make a decision and sometimes you might fuck up and do something terribly wrong. Cops deal with peoples shit constantly, greatly unwarranted at times. Its easy for a cop to eventually be cold to a lot of peoples issues. I get it.

Think about this for a second.... im white. When a cop drives behind me, or is near me i get nervous. I get angst. And i want to get as far away as i can. Im a law abiding citizen. I dont know why i feel this way. I just do.

Now, black people feel this same way. However, there is an added fear of what does this cop want to do to me as they are being pulled over. Is this cop racist? Do i fit the profile? Is the cop going to hurt me? Right or wrong, these are the thoughts and fears many black people think about. As a white person, i will literally never have to have those added thoughts and fears in my entire life.

Its a shitty time in the usa.

Is it better than 20 years ago? Of course. But that still is not good enough.

I agree, more or less, with the bulk of your post, but not sure about "better than 20 years ago? Of course". Better than 70 years ago there is no debate there. But around 1997 I personally don't recall it being noticably worse than now.

Is there something you can point to where it makes it clear things have improved in last 20 years?

(I must be getting old because 20 years should feel like a long time, but it doesn't.)

 

[Natebishop3]

On a more serious note, I'd encourage everyone participating in this thread not to treat this as a debate. When you treat these types of things as a debate, you're invested in winning and that can take away from your ability to incorporate good points or viewpoints and experiences you simply don't have access to, based on your background and all your identifying factors.

I'm not trying to out-logic anyone or beat anyone down to make them see the light. I generally try to avoid being snarky these days on serious topics (except with Denny, because he obviously deserves it). I just want to inject my perspective and read others' perspectives, because conversation leads to probing holes in our thinking about issues that we never necessarily confront (especially if we mostly only talk to people we agree with or read things from sources that share our general world view). If I didn't want to read, respond to and be confronted by differing opinions, I'd just ignore this thread or sub-forum.

If you can't win, don't play.

 

[Minstrel]

If you can't win, don't play.

you fkn wot m8? fite me 1v1 irl i'll rek you

 

[rasheedfan2005]

On a more serious note, I'd encourage everyone participating in this thread not to treat this as a debate. When you treat these types of things as a debate, you're invested in winning and that can take away from your ability to incorporate good points or viewpoints and experiences you simply don't have access to, based on your background and all your identifying factors.

I'm not trying to out-logic anyone or beat anyone down to make them see the light. I generally try to avoid being snarky these days on serious topics (except with Denny, because he obviously deserves it). I just want to inject my perspective and read others' perspectives, because conversation leads to probing holes in our thinking about issues that we never necessarily confront (especially if we mostly only talk to people we agree with or read things from sources that share our general world view). If I didn't want to read, respond to and be confronted by differing opinions, I'd just ignore this thread or sub-forum.

Im bi winning. I win over here and i win over there. And i drink poker dog blood.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I agree, more or less, with the bulk of your post, but not sure about "better than 20 years ago? Of course". Better than 70 years ago there is no debate there. But around 1997 I personally don't recall it being noticably worse than now.

Is there something you can point to where it makes it clear things have improved in last 20 years?

(I must be getting old because 20 years should feel like a long time, but it doesn't.)

No, perhaps 70 years should have been used. You are correct.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I just saw the police defending blowing up the suspect because he "lied to and taunted negotiatiors" during the TWO hour standoff.

It also said he wrote something on the walls in his own blood, so clearly he suffered. Yet they try to act like a headshot from a sniper and a bomb are the same thing.

I got this info from reading the scrolling stuff on the bottom of Fox News. It is always on at the gym.

They had him cornered for two hours, so are we to believe anyone was in imminent danger? I doubt it, they just executed this crazy guy.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Missed some, Brown said the negotiation was going nowhere.

WOW, 2 hours. I've spent more time at the DMV.

 

[blue32]

I just saw the police defending blowing up the suspect because he "lied to and taunted negotiatiors" during the TWO hour standoff.

It also said he wrote something on the walls in his own blood, so clearly he suffered. Yet they try to act like a headshot from a sniper and a bomb are the same thing.

I got this info from reading the scrolling stuff on the bottom of Fox News. It is always on at the gym.

They had him cornered for two hours, so are we to believe anyone was in imminent danger? I doubt it, they just executed this crazy guy.

So? fuck that guy.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

So? fuck that guy.

Nice to know our nation of laws means jack shit to the cops, that's what.

It seems like a bad response to an act against police brutality to use police brutality.

They had him cornered for 2 whole hours. Fuck them, are they going to blow up people holed up during a domestic violence call next?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Nice to know our nation of laws means jack shit to the cops, that's what.

It seems like a bad response to an act against police brutality to use police brutality.

They had him cornered for 2 whole hours. Fuck them, are they going to blow up people holed up during a domestic violence call next?

Here is an interesting article about it, http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...bomb-to-end-the-standoff-with-lone-gunman.ece

A couple of things, I support the police using that. They had lost enough officers that day. If the snipers couldn't get sight on the guy they can't shoot him. If the only option was to send more officers in to rush the guy or send a bomb, fuck it, BOOM!


What I didn't know is that police forces across the country have been training to do this, it just so happens that Dallas was the first to actually try it. This wasn't some McGyver thing they came up with on the fly, this is an actual procedure in the police training manual. Don't know if it is the feds or a private company that is training bomb squads to go from being a unit designed for protection and prevention to an offensive force but it is a concern.

I also didn't know that police departments have stores of C4.

 

[MarAzul]

Too bad they had to blow the dude up. It would be nice to get more info out of him in just how much coordination he had with BLM leaders.
He clearly knew where and when to be there.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Before I read it, how are there only 2 options? My first choice is take the guy alive anyway.

How was he going to get away or hurt anyone else? Did he have 6 months of food and water?