2 officers shot at Dallas Texas police protest

[blue32]

You're fooling yourself if you think young people lacking in perspective doing dumb but non-violent things is an important part of the story.

Really? You think cheering the deaths of white Police officers is not an important part of the overall story of racial divide in this country?

Come on. You are smarter than that.

 

[Minstrel]

Guns aren't even in the top 3 or 4 reasons why this happened.

Guns are never the reason why something happens. The underlying cause is always something else, like hatred stemming from myriad factors or good old-fashioned mental/emotional imbalances. Guns are the enabling factor. Even if there were no guns, there would still be violence. But no one's going to successfully cut down 6 police officers with a dagger or machete. Guns have become an easily-acquired force multiplier for much more complicated problems.

 

[blue32]

Guns are never the reason why something happens. The underlying cause is always something else, like hatred stemming from myriad factors or good old-fashioned mental/emotional imbalances. Guns are the enabling factor. Even if there were no guns, there would still be violence. But no one's going to successfully cut down 6 police officers with a dagger or machete. Guns have become an easily-acquired force multiplier for much more complicated problems.

Well and various bombs.

 

[Minstrel]

Really? You think cheering the deaths of white Police officers is not an important part of the overall story of racial divide in this country?

That they were "cheering the deaths of white officers" is your interpretation, which is obviously heavily subject to bias. It looked to me (and yes, my own perceptions are an interpretation subject to bias) like they were essentially taunting/trash-talking police officers. I think that's stupid, especially in this context, but it's a far different action from what you're imputing to them.

 

[riverman]

I remember when Martin Luther King was killed the riots in Washington DC.....there's a long history of racial tension...this whole problem didn't start yesterday and the protesters who get out of hand should be dealt with accordingly but I've never heard so many stories in a year of cops killing people as a go to move than I've heard this past year. There's no good spin to this tragedy and no doubt innocent policemen died...

 

[Minstrel]

Well and various bombs.

Bombs are much, much harder to target. Killing police officers specifically with a bomb would be extremely difficult. Bombs are used for untargeted damage, death and disturbance.

 

[blue32]

That they were "cheering the deaths of white officers" is your interpretation, which is obviously heavily subject to bias. It looked to me (and yes, my own perceptions are an interpretation subject to bias) like they were essentially taunting/trash-talking police officers. I think that's stupid, especially in this context, but it's a far different action from what you're imputing to them.

Either or, the end-result is the same. Creating tension and racial division. Which, is an important part of the overall story of this country and needs to be eradicated. (along with abuse of power by some police).

 

[riverman]

Really? You think cheering the deaths of white Police officers is not an important part of the overall story of racial divide in this country?

Come on. You are smarter than that.

The whole point is that everyone is important...no need to pick teams if we are actually a United States

 

[Minstrel]

Either or, the end-result is the same. Creating tension and racial division. Which, is an important part of the overall story of this country and needs to be eradicated. (along with abuse of power by some police).

How do you "eradicate" what amounts to impoliteness without heavily curtailing the first amendment? Do you also endorse "eradicating" any rudeness by the police? Or does this amount to, "People I disagree with should be much more heavily regulated" (in terms of speech--I realize you also implicated police brutality).

 

[blue32]

The whole point is that everyone is important...no need to pick teams if we are actually a United States

Exactly why I said that behavior needs to be eradicated from this country, in my very first post about that video.

I was only speaking to that specific video. But I also believe in police reform as well.

 

[riverman]

How do you "eradicate" what amounts to impoliteness without heavily curtailing the first amendment? Do you also endorse "eradicating" any rudeness by the police? Or does this amount to, "People I disagree with should be much more heavily regulated" (in terms of speech--I realize you also implicated police brutality).

You must first eradicate hate...that's our biggest challenge

 

[Natebishop3]

This is an oxymoron if I ever read one....it's like a chicken without an egg

And yet, many people are quick to blame guns and only the guns when a shooting occurs, as if the shooter and his reasons are not a factor at all.

 

[blue32]

How do you "eradicate" what amounts to impoliteness without heavily curtailing the first amendment? Do you also endorse "eradicating" any rudeness by the police? Or does this amount to, "People I disagree with should be much more heavily regulated" (in terms of speech--I realize you also implicated police brutality).

It's a really great question that I do not have all of the answers for. The racial divide caused by the media, the allowance of these protestors to loot, riot, etc, and some corrupt police are big problems. All of which need to go.

 

[Natebishop3]

Guns are never the reason why something happens. The underlying cause is always something else, like hatred stemming from myriad factors or good old-fashioned mental/emotional imbalances. Guns are the enabling factor. Even if there were no guns, there would still be violence. But no one's going to successfully cut down 6 police officers with a dagger or machete. Guns have become an easily-acquired force multiplier for much more complicated problems.

That was a solid use of "force multiplier." Gotta give some props for that.

 

[blue32]

You must first eradicate hate...that's our biggest challenge

Unfortunately this will never happen because.....humans.

 

[riverman]

And yet, many people are quick to blame guns and only the guns when a shooting occurs, as if the shooter and his reasons are not a factor at all.

I don't believe that for a second...I blame the person first and I believe most people do

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

The national media changes the narrative. They are not impartial news sources, they make their decisions to report in a way that they see fit. There is no news anymore, they are politically aligned vehicles of propaganda.

Obama has been flaming these movements. He assumes those shot and killed were victims of police brutality before any investigation whatsoever. This is clearly a case of a Black on White hate crime/terrorist attack, yet the focus will be still on Gun Control Legislation and how young black males are victims.

And how many of those (too) numerous incidents of police shooting black people could be labeled White on Black hate crimes/terrorist attacks?? Labels depend on who is doing the labeling.

And you must be reading the right wing news. From everything I've read, if I was black I'd be pissed as hell at Obama for not taking a harder stand for black lives. Instead he weasels. And the focus needs to be on gun control and black males as, at the very least, partial victims. The current state of affairs certainly isn't working. Why should they have to fear for their lives in ways white men don't?

And since when has the main stream media been anything but a politically aligned propaganda vehicle?? It's part and parcel of the Yew'nited States of a 'Murrica........the folks who really drive this country have us right where they want us, which is at each other's throats.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And how many of those (too) numerous incidents of police shooting black people could be labeled White on Black hate crimes/terrorist attacks?? Labels depend on who is doing the labeling.

Probably none.

 

[riverman]

Unfortunately this will never happen in our lifetime because we're not yet highly evolved.....humans.

fixed

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't believe that for a second...I blame the person first and I believe most people do

I think you're wrong. My facebook wall is usually saturated with anti-gun shit as soon as a shooting happens. No mention of the shooter. Just screaming about how we need gun control.

 

[Minstrel]

It's a really great question that I do not have all of the answers for. The racial divide caused by the media, the allowance of these protestors to loot, riot, etc, and some corrupt police are big problems. All of which need to go.

While I don't entirely agree with you on the role of the media, I think it's true that protests have to bear in mind that perceptions have a big hand in changing hearts and minds and doing things that directly alienates, say, a person in the Midwest who might be persuaded in the absence of behavior that make it seem like "enemy action."

However, I think protest is very important, making accountability in the government (state and federal) and in the police forces a major issue is extremely important. It's the helplessness of living with a legal enforcement system that seems to be malignant towards you that causes some people to snap in these tragic ways. It doesn't excuse those who do, but it's a simple reality that isn't going away.

 

[Minstrel]

I think you're wrong. My facebook wall is usually saturated with anti-gun shit as soon as a shooting happens. No mention of the shooter. Just screaming about how we need gun control.

Mostly because, for most people, it's understood that the killer is a terrible person for killing. No one would argue that, so it's not worth arguing. The argument is over how available guns should be, which is why you see that bombard your feed. The thing everyone doesn't agree with is what people push their opinions out there on.

 

[riverman]

ISIS is loving this shit...probably recruited a small army from it

 

[Natebishop3]

Mostly because, for most people, it's understood that the killer is a terrible person for killing. No one would argue that, so it's not worth arguing. The argument is over how available guns should be, which is why you see that bombard your feed. The thing everyone doesn't agree with is what people push their opinions out there on.

And in this case, I'm saying that there are issues, other than guns, that are higher up the list that need to be addressed.

In the case of the Orlando shooting, it was a self-hatred and lashing out at other gays. Not much we can do about an outside influence by ISIS or other hate groups outside the US.

This time we can directly tie this to other factors, such as retribution for police violence, the media showing videos of such violence, and groups like BLM promoting a response towards law enforcement. Would it really surprise people if there was a militarized wing of BLM?

If we're going to prevent another Dallas from happening, guns are not going to be the easiest solution.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Let's look at the past few days in a nutshell;

Cops kill man resisting arrest, could it have been excessive force? Absolutely? Were we the cops? No. Do we know for sure what happened before the video came out? No.

Cop kills man with broken tail light, was it the correct thing to do? FUCK no. Should he be fired and put on trial and likely in jail? ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY.

(Social and national media explode)

Fuck the Police, Kill Cops memes, fucking old Tupac videos talking about not feeling bad for when a cop dies, etc. are all over Facebook and Twitter.

Dallas happens, people taunting the police, eventually killing multiple cops who were 100s if not 1000s of miles away from the incidents that took place the day before.

The fact is Cops are less safe than anyone as they have to put up with OUR collective bullshit on a day to day basis. They are effected by things they never did and probably never would do. People say reform reform, but what is reform? If it's body Cams then sure. However, you could put the mentally strongest person in the world and have him/her work for a PD in a bad area and they will breakdown, become bitter and eventually emotionless to the people's problems. It's a thankless job, people need to stop being aggressive towards police in general. They are in fear because what we have now is guerrila warfare in the streets of America. So, I urge all of us to be extremely polite and courteous to our LEOs, it WILL save countless lives.

Sorry, end rant.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

So what's your point??? That he's being honest??? As often as white police officers shoot black people, your "logic" could be used to claim that those white cops WANT to kill black people. And I have no doubt some of those cops actually feel that way. Otherwise these assholes wouldn't be so quick on the trigger. And don't hand me that bullshit about how I might feel differently if I was a cop. Murder is murder. The difference is that the cops usually get away with it. I don't support the scumbag shooter in any way, shape or form. But he didn't just wake up one day and decide to make war on cops and whites. People of all colors are fed up with what almost seems to have become an army of occupation, rather than a public safety organization. And it's only going to get worse unless and until the general public starts holding their local governments and law enforcement agencies accountable.

Do you have any statistics on cops shooting unarmed blacks vs unarmed of other races? Or are you just giving and emotionally charged rant like the media wants?

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Let's look at the past few days in a nutshell;

Cops kill man resisting arrest, could it have been excessive force? Absolutely? Were we the cops? No. Do we know for sure what happened before the video came out? No.

Cop kills man with broken tail light, was it the correct thing to do? FUCK no. Should he be fired and put on trial and likely in jail? ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY.

(Social and national media explode)

Fuck the Police, Kill Cops memes, fucking old Tupac videos talking about not feeling bad for when a cop dies, etc. are all over Facebook and Twitter.

Dallas happens, people taunting the police, eventually killing multiple cops who were 100s if not 1000s of miles away from the incidents that took place the day before.

The fact is Cops are less safe than anyone as they have to put up with OUR collective bullshit on a day to day basis. They are effected by things they never did and probably never would do. People say reform reform, but what is reform? If it's body Cams then sure. However, you could put the mentally strongest person in the world and have him/her work for a PD in a bad area and they will breakdown, become bitter and eventually emotionless to the people's problems. It's a thankless job, people need to stop being aggressive towards police in general. They are in fear because what we have now is guerrila warfare in the streets of America. So, I urge all of us to be extremely polite and courteous to our LEOs, it WILL save countless lives.

Sorry, end rant.

Yep. Exact reason i havent applied to be a deputy. You are basically asking to be shot now with very little reward even if you do a perfect job.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think Dallas just proves how extremely vulnerable cops are.

It's like riding a motorcycle. You can wear all the protective gear and ride as safe as possible, but all it takes is one person pulling out in front of you and you die.

Police are out there doing their job. They wear body armor. They carry guns, but they operate under the assumption that people aren't trying to kill them. If someone or a group of someones decided they wanted to start killing cops, it would be extremely easy to do so. You call the police, they show up. You know where they'll be. They're sitting ducks. They aren't driving in up-armored humvees. They aren't moving in groups looking for threats at all times. They operate in an environment where they think people want them to be there.

This will all change if this kind of thing continues. There will be police reform, and not in a good way. How will people feel when they call the police and the police decide the danger is too great and they won't come?

 

[noknobs]

Yeah, those seven young kids doing dumb things are definitely the main problem with the country.

That seems to be about the number of cops who've done despicable things of late. People seem to be judging law enforcement on a few shit-bags, which makes as much sense as judging the protestors by these dipshits. Horrible things happen all the time. The world is a fucked up place. Anyone who thinks that's going to change due to them standing in the street and shouting, should pack their bags and move to imagination land. I don't think law enforcement is the main problem with this country either. What people don't seem to understand is that with these very publicized shootings, the group that's more at risk than any now are the cops themselves. Yesterday an unfortunate example. The result is that it's going to make cops even more on edge the next time a black man reaches for the glove box for his insurance. An eye for an eye leaves us all blind.

The vast, vast percentage of law enforcement personnel don't have a racist bone in their body and are trying to serve and protect, even these ignorant, hateful people. Isolated events happen in Minnesota and Louisiana and people protest in Dallas. Cops die in Dallas. It's stupid. Everyone except the KKK knows black lives matter. Who are they arguing with? White lives matter too. What is the point of all this? Bad shit is always going to happen to people of every color. But because of the history of this country, when it's a white officer killing a black person it gets way more attention than any other. The officer should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, it was absolutely horrible what he did. And that's it.

/end of rant, now tell me how wrong I am. I've said my piece.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

I think Dallas just proves how extremely vulnerable cops are.

It's like riding a motorcycle. You can wear all the protective gear and ride as safe as possible, but all it takes is one person pulling out in front of you and you die.

Police are out there doing their job. They wear body armor. They carry guns, but they operate under the assumption that people aren't trying to kill them. If someone or a group of someones decided they wanted to start killing cops, it would be extremely easy to do so. You call the police, they show up. You know where they'll be. They're sitting ducks. They aren't driving in up-armored humvees. They aren't moving in groups looking for threats at all times. They operate in an environment where they think people want them to be there.

This will all change if this kind of thing continues. There will be police reform, and not in a good way. How will people feel when they call the police and the police decide the danger is too great and they won't come?

Yep. You keep threatening someones life and eventually PTSD will develop. One way to help imo would be stop hiring vets who probably already have PTSD.

It might be too late for that now. I certainly hope civil war doesnt break out. Especially when i cant afford ammo or an ar-15 at the moment.