20% of Oregonians are on food stamps

[DaLincolnJones]

55% is wildly incorrect.



And that's federal, state, and local employment.

barfo

Hmm the figure I had was from the Oregonian last year. It stated that at that time that 52% of the people in this state that were employed, worked for the state, the fed or the schools.

That was the figure that Lars used in his program and he brought it up to the governer at the time if I remember right, could have been someone else he spoke with , but I know it was the Gov or head of jobs developement ..memory fades as I age..hehe.

So yeah., I figured that there had been a loss of jobs in the private sector and more jobs created in the public arena, so I did adjust the figures by three percent..

 

[Rodolfo]

i knew dealers back in the day that would take food stamps for half their face value

and barfo....really? you do that every time you go to the store, put that shit in a jar, and once a week you got 20 bucks

That still happens a lot.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think more stigma needs to be attached to food stamps or vouchers. At a conceptual level, I do think it makes sense for food stamps/vouchers to only be redeemable for certain things, but I don't see how that gets around the fungible nature of the vouchers. If they can be redeemed for anything of value, an exchange rate in real money can be created for them.

I'd be interested in knowing how wide-spread the problem is, though, of food stamps being used for luxury goods or traded in (directly or indirectly) for drugs. I'm sure it happens, but anecdotal evidence doesn't tell us how much it happens. If it's only 0.1% of food stamps being used that way, for example, it's not clear that it's a problem worth overhauling the system to address.

 

[barfo]

umm, you can buy 20 dollars worth of drugs for 20 dollars...

you can argue all you want, ive seen it done

I wasn't suggesting that you couldn't - I was just saying I'd want more than $20 worth.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Hmm the figure I had was from the Oregonian last year. It stated that at that time that 52% of the people in this state that were employed, worked for the state, the fed or the schools.

Does that seem reasonable to you? Do more than half the people you know work for the government? I'll do a little more research when I have time, but it seems way off to me.

barfo

 

[Minstrel]

I wasn't suggesting that you couldn't - I was just saying I'd want more than $20 worth.

You being an insatiable drug hound is not relevant to this thread.

 

[barfo]

You being an insatiable drug hound is not relevant to this thread.

Then why am I here? [/stockdale]

barfo

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Does that seem reasonable to you? Do more than half the people you know work for the government? I'll do a little more research when I have time, but it seems way off to me.

barfo

No it does not seem reasonable, but it does appear to be correct. I am in a collage town, Salem is a state town Eugene is a collage town look at all the state and fed jobs in Portland, look at Lincoln city..the only meaningfully employment is the schools, the county the city ..I know it is a friggen hard to get your head around figure, but that was the point of the article. The people that get all the fat lootz have the power to keep over riding the others that pay for their great incomes.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I wasn't suggesting that you couldn't - I was just saying I'd want more than $20 worth.

barfo

oh and I must point out, it is not half the population, no I am not counting six year olds, it was half of the people that were employed. So again, look around..state, fed, schools, county..yeah man

 

[barfo]

No it does not seem reasonable, but it does appear to be correct. I am in a collage town, Salem is a state town Eugene is a collage town look at all the state and fed jobs in Portland, look at Lincoln city..the only meaningfully employment is the schools, the county the city ..I know it is a friggen hard to get your head around figure, but that was the point of the article. The people that get all the fat lootz have the power to keep over riding the others that pay for their great incomes.

There are about 55 thousand federal employees and retirees in all of Oregon. There are around 2 million people in the Portland metro area.

It would be great if you could find that article, but I have to think that either you misinterpreted it or it was not a news article but some crank writing an opinion piece.

The numbers just don't add up.

barfo

 

[blazerboy30]

How much drugs can you buy for $20?

Who cares how much drugs it gets you? If people are doing it, they are doing it and wasting the purpose of the program.

 

[maxiep]

Does anyone believe that one in five people can't afford to pay for their own food? The math to me doesn't make sense.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

There are about 55 thousand federal employees and retirees in all of Oregon. There are around 2 million people in the Portland metro area.

It would be great if you could find that article, but I have to think that either you misinterpreted it or it was not a news article but some crank writing an opinion piece.

The numbers just don't add up.

barfo

hey man you can make it appear any way you want..the left usually does..here you go there are 3.3 million people in the state of oregon..us that figure to argue your point..keep ignoring what I am saying ..oh yeah count the illegals well fk man three hundred thousand more..that the gov claims.. no man it was no mistake, not taken out of context. if you want to check look at the actual employment figures, compare to state, fed, schools county retirees...its not that big of a reach

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Does anyone believe that one in five people can't afford to pay for their own food? The math to me doesn't make sense.

if you base it upon a monthly income like a min wage job or less, then yeah. They qualify. and I called its 1600 and less, so I was wrong

 

[barfo]

oh and I must point out, it is not half the population, no I am not counting six year olds, it was half of the people that were employed. So again, look around..state, fed, schools, county..yeah man

No, man. Fed, 30,000. (25000 of the 55K are retirees). State government (excluding some things like the universities) 32,000. Teachers, 85,000. U of O has 4500 staff. Figure the other big public universities have about the same. That gets you up to about maybe 200,000. You need another 800,000 government workers to reach 50%. Where are they hiding?

barfo

 

[barfo]

hey man you can make it appear any way you want..the left usually does..here you go there are 3.3 million people in the state of oregon..us that figure to argue your point..keep ignoring what I am saying ..oh yeah count the illegals well fk man three hundred thousand more..that the gov claims.. no man it was no mistake, not taken out of context. if you want to check look at the actual employment figures, compare to state, fed, schools county retirees...its not that big of a reach

I'm not ignoring what you are saying. I'm asking you for evidence. All you are saying is "look around". Well, I've looked around.
I think you are believing something you want to believe, instead of looking at the facts.

barfo

 

[DaLincolnJones]

No, man. Fed, 30,000. (25000 of the 55K are retirees). State government (excluding some things like the universities) 32,000. Teachers, 85,000. U of O has 4500 staff. Figure the other big public universities have about the same. That gets you up to about maybe 200,000. You need another 800,000 government workers to reach 50%. Where are they hiding?

barfo

common man. state. fed. county. schools. unions. simple. you cant grab a stat he and there and do the left wing math.

How many employed in the state in total, take away those employed by schools, their unions, state, county city pretty friggen basic.

 

[barfo]

common man. state. fed. county. schools. unions. simple. you cant grab a stat he and there and do the left wing math.

How many employed in the state in total, take away those employed by schools, their unions, state, county city pretty friggen basic.

Ok, show me the right wing math, then. If it is so simple, let's see your numbers.

barfo

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Ok, show me the right wing math, then. If it is so simple, let's see your numbers.

barfo

man I have zero desire to do a complete research peice just to satisfy you. I reported just what Lars and the Oregonian stated. It made the news here at that time. I believe it to be fact. If you dont want to believe it, fine , no skin off my ass

 

[barfo]

man I have zero desire to do a complete research peice justto satisfy you. I reported just what Lars and theh Oregonian stated. It made the news here at that time. I believe it to be fact. If you dont want to believe it, fine , no skinn off my ass

What you believe is quite obviously wrong. Not that you should care, I suppose.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Problem is, I see a lot of double standards in this thread, because I know for a fact some people who are for this were against the government attaching strings to companies who had to take OUR money.

Who, specifically? I would think most people against these entitlement programs were also against the bailouts.

 

[PapaG]

Hey, at least low-income EBT users don't need Medicaid! :MARIS61:

 

[DaLincolnJones]

What you believe is quite obviously wrong. Not that you should care, I suppose.

barfo

Hahahaa Barfo, spoken like a true liberal. Anything opposed to your line of thought is wrong or incorrect, regardless of anything else. You know I have enjoyed good banter, I can have my mind changed, I am not so closed minded that I refuse to see another's point of view. Just because I do not bother to pull up a piece from a year ago, to satisfy only you..well I must be in error.

 

[barfo]

Hahahaa Barfo, spoken like a true liberal. Anything opposed to your line of thought is wrong or incorrect, regardless of anything else. You know I have enjoyed good banter, I can have my mind changed, I am not so closed minded that I refuse to see another's point of view. Just because I do not bother to pull up a piece from a year ago, to satisfy only you..well I must be in error.

No, that's not why you must be in error. The fact that the numbers don't agree with your point of view is why you must be in error.

barfo

 

[blazerboy30]

Problem is, I see a lot of double standards in this thread, because I know for a fact some people who are for this were against the government attaching strings to companies who had to take OUR money.

Are you just making strawmen or can you name some of these "people" in this thread?

 

[Wheels]

Does anyone believe that one in five people can't afford to pay for their own food? The math to me doesn't make sense.

that number does seem a little high. Thats why I'm thinking that a lot of the people included in that are people who get minimum benefits. They changed "Food Stamps" name to "SNAP (Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program) about 2 years ago iirc. I bolded the supplemental part as thats key to me. People might be able to pay for their own food, but also qualify for some of that to be supplemented. I would really like to see how many families or cases fall in the $0-$50 range $51-100, and so on.

 

[Wheels]

Hey, at least low-income EBT users don't need Medicaid! :MARIS61:

I saw some of these EBT welcome signs at Fast Food places in California a couple months ago... talk about angering me...

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

I'm assuming because you can only get the necessary foods with it, and not the garbage FS let you get.

Also WIC being only for "Womens with Infant Children" kinda cuts off who can use it and who cant. But I think their voucher system is so so so so much better than just the EBT card given out.

Yo dog WIC stands for "Women, Infants and Children".

 

[Wheels]

Great info provided by you throughout this thread. Repped.

hey just keep the topics in here to my limited knowledge on things and I will try and help out

 

[Wheels]

and then Baracuda squashes my above post