2008 GM Draft 1 Peer Evaluation Thread

[J_Ray]

I didn't think there was any real proven bigs left, so I settled on taking the Iranian Giant that played good in the Olympics. He should be a good big body to throw out there when my guys get in foul trouble and think he can be a Jake Tsakalidis like big minimum right away.

 

[kk30]

He'd be my starting center if I drafted him

why would that be?have you seen blatche play? does he have good potential?

 

[Kid Chocolate]

Richard Jefferson isn't a team oriented player.

 

[pegs]

why would that be?have you seen blatche play? does he have good potential?

I've seen him play in person, he was pretty great. And I've seen him a few times on TV. He's better than Darius Songaila.


I wouldn't start him over Foster in that lineup, though. I guess I have a bit of favoritism towards him, too.

 

[kk30]

Richard Jefferson isn't a team oriented player.

u don't remember when carter first came, Jefferson was fine being the third option

 

[pegs]

u don't remember when carter first came, Jefferson was fine being the third option

You don't remember this past season, when Richard Jefferson was selfish, took too many dumb shots, and didn't play defense

 

[kk30]

You don't remember this past season, when Richard Jefferson was selfish, took too many dumb shots, and didn't play defense

nobody on the Nets came to play this past season. When you are on a losing team you get a reputation of being selfish. R.J never had that reputation before. Last season was a mess no matter what R.J did the team still wasn't going to win much

 

[Kid Chocolate]

u don't remember when carter first came, Jefferson was fine being the third option

That was 2004. This is 2008.

 

[cpawfan]

nobody on the Nets came to play this past season. When you are on a losing team you get a reputation of being selfish. R.J never had that reputation before. Last season was a mess no matter what R.J did the team still wasn't going to win much

What team have you been watching the past few seasons, because you haven't described the NJ Nets

 

[kk30]

That was 2004. This is 2008.

so Jefferson has helped his team make the playoffs every year hes been a net. He has always been in the shadow of Kidd,Martin and than Carter. One year he has a down year defensively and the team doesn't make the playoffs, so ur all on him like he was always a bad selfish player

 

[kk30]

What team have you been watching the past few seasons, because you haven't described the NJ Nets

The Nets have gotten deep into the playoffs the past few seasons besides last. yes they were inconsistent during the reg. season but Jefferson always played hard on both`ends. One bad year when the team sucks he slacks off a little give him a break. He also picked up his offense last year with Carter slumping. Night in and night out he still gave 40+ mins

 

[cpawfan]

The Nets have gotten deep into the playoffs the past few seasons besides last. yes they were inconsistent during the reg. season but Jefferson always played hard on both`ends. One bad year when the team sucks he slacks off a little give him a break. He also picked up his offense last year with Carter slumping. Night in and night out he still gave 40+ mins

RJ hasn't played hard on both ends of the court for several seasons. Starting with the season where Kidd missed the start of the season because of MF surgery.

RJ didn't pick up his offense last season, rather he became a bigger ball hog.

 

[cpawfan]

Final Barneys

C: Eddy Curry / Etan Thomas / Birdman
PF: KG / Diaw
SF: Artest / James Jones / Batum
SG: SJax / Stackhouse
PG: Stuckey / Jason Williams

I'm fairly happy with this team. Essentially, it is just crazy enough to work.

 

[kk30]

my team is done and its looking good.
PG- Mike Bibby/ Sebastian Telfair
SG- Paul Pierce/ Rashard Mccants/ Willie Green
SF- Gerald Wallace/ Tim Thomas/ Antoine Wright
PF- Amare Stoudemire/ Andray Blatche
C- Jeff Foster/ Josh Powell

The starters are among the top in the draft. Led by Pierce and Amare, Wallace becomes an excellent third option. Bibby is a gamer who knows how to lead a veteran offense. Hes going to get a ton of open 3s on this team too. Foster loves to do the dirty work on both the offense and defensive glass.

The bench IMO is the best in the league. Telfair seemed to finally mature and had a 3.2-1 t.o-asst ratio which was 10th in the league. He averaged nearly 6 assists a game on a terrible team last year. Mccants is a scorer he can score anyway he wants. Willie Green is also a good scorer and being the third SG off the bench thats just incredibly depth.
Tim Thomas can play the 3 and 4. He can stretch the floor and shows up in big games. Wright is more of the 12th man off the bench. His main job is to defend in spot minutes unless injury.
Blatche is a great developing big man who can already block shots, rebound and score and hes only 21. He can play the 4 and 5. Powell is just a tough center who will do the dirty work like Foster. Hes a banger who given minutes will produce.

With Mccants and Green coming off the bench it gives Pierce rest or it allows Pierce to slide over to SF when needed. Thomas will see time at PF to give some scoring off the bench in the front court. Gerald Wallace can also see time at PF and Amare can see time at C. The team just has a ton of flexibility when making lineups and in game situations

My team is made up of hard nosed players who play hard. The star power with Bibby, Pierce, Wallace and Amare will be hard to compete with. My offense is probably the best in the league if you figure in my starters and bench. I don't see many teams that can compete with mine in this league. I want voting to start soon

 

[Kid Chocolate]

Peer Evaluation = Making a case that your team is dominant? Why didn't I get this memo?

 

[kk30]

Peer Evaluation = Making a case that your team is dominant? Why didn't I get this memo?

I would think that in the peer evaluation thread you are allowed to make a case for your team.

 

[lukewarmplay]

I would think that in the peer evaluation thread you are allowed to make a case for your team.

You don't think you might be a little biased?

 

[J_Ray]

my team is done and its looking good.
PG- Mike Bibby/ Sebastian Telfair
SG- Paul Pierce/ Rashard Mccants/ Willie Green
SF- Gerald Wallace/ Tim Thomas/ Antoine Wright
PF- Amare Stoudemire/ Andray Blatche
C- Jeff Foster/ Josh Powell

The starters are among the top in the draft. Led by Pierce and Amare, Wallace becomes an excellent third option. Bibby is a gamer who knows how to lead a veteran offense. Hes going to get a ton of open 3s on this team too. Foster loves to do the dirty work on both the offense and defensive glass.

The bench IMO is the best in the league. Telfair seemed to finally mature and had a 3.2-1 t.o-asst ratio which was 10th in the league. He averaged nearly 6 assists a game on a terrible team last year. Mccants is a scorer he can score anyway he wants. Willie Green is also a good scorer and being the third SG off the bench thats just incredibly depth.
Tim Thomas can play the 3 and 4. He can stretch the floor and shows up in big games. Wright is more of the 12th man off the bench. His main job is to defend in spot minutes unless injury.
Blatche is a great developing big man who can already block shots, rebound and score and hes only 21. He can play the 4 and 5. Powell is just a tough center who will do the dirty work like Foster. Hes a banger who given minutes will produce.

With Mccants and Green coming off the bench it gives Pierce rest or it allows Pierce to slide over to SF when needed. Thomas will see time at PF to give some scoring off the bench in the front court. Gerald Wallace can also see time at PF and Amare can see time at C. The team just has a ton of flexibility when making lineups and in game situations

My team is made up of hard nosed players who play hard. The star power with Bibby, Pierce, Wallace and Amare will be hard to compete with. My offense is probably the best in the league if you figure in my starters and bench. I don't see many teams that can compete with mine in this league. I want voting to start soon

Wait....are we considering the forms of these players from a few years ago? Bibby has been trash the last 2 years and isn't a star anymore, he's barely a starter anymore. He'll have a good game every once in awhile, but he's definitely not even close to what he use to be anymore. Foster is good for 24-28 minutes, so does that mean Powell is gonna play the other half of the game? Best bench..pff it just brings scoring and has no D at all. I feel my bench is just as good and I'm not gonna go out and say they're the best. Only hardnosed guys you have too are Foster, Powell, & maybe Antoine Wright, besides that, your team is a bunch of pre-Madonna's

 

[kk30]

Wait....are we considering the forms of these players from a few years ago? Bibby has been trash the last 2 years and isn't a star anymore, he's barely a starter anymore. He'll have a good game every once in awhile, but he's definitely not even close to what he use to be anymore. Foster is good for 24-28 minutes, so does that mean Powell is gonna play the other half of the game? Best bench..pff it just brings scoring and has no D at all. I feel my bench is just as good and I'm not gonna go out and say they're the best. Only hardnosed guys you have too are Foster, Powell, & maybe Antoine Wright, besides that, your team is a bunch of pre-Madonna's

Last year Bibby averaged 14pts 6 assists. The year before he averaged 17 pts and about 5 assists. Ok those may not be all star numbers but I'll take that any day with him being the fourth option on the team. This team won't need him to go back to his 18-7 days. Keep in mind he wasn't 100% last year due to injuries. Powell will not be getting the other 24 minutes because Blatche can spend time at center. Amare can spend time at center and Thomas could move over to Pf. Gerald Wallace can even play PF with Amare at Center. The team has many possibilites.
Telfair, Mccants, Green, Tim Thomas were basically all full time starters last year and I have them coming off my bench. Look at their numbers they all produce too.
If this team doesn't get deep into the playoffs there is something seriously wrong.
Pierce, Wallace and Amare all in their Prime?

Are you talking about my bench having bad defense??? Look at your bench. My bench can score and whenever you have a good scoring bench good things happen

 

[kk30]

by the way Powell had a horrible first half last year when he only averaged 13.30 mins in 32 games. But in the second half he averaged 24 mins and averaged 7.4 pts and 7 rebounds in 32 games. Thats nothing to laugh at. So actually I really wouldn't mind giving him 24 mins at center.

 

[DynastYWarrioR6]

Last year Bibby averaged 14pts 6 assists. The year before he averaged 17 pts and about 5 assists. Ok those may not be all star numbers but I'll take that any day with him being the fourth option on the team. This team won't need him to go back to his 18-7 days. Keep in mind he wasn't 100% last year due to injuries. Powell will not be getting the other 24 minutes because Blatche can spend time at center. Amare can spend time at center and Thomas could move over to Pf. Gerald Wallace can even play PF with Amare at Center. The team has many possibilites.
Telfair, Mccants, Green, Tim Thomas were basically all full time starters last year and I have them coming off my bench. Look at their numbers they all produce too.
If this team doesn't get deep into the playoffs there is something seriously wrong.
Pierce, Wallace and Amare all in their Prime?

Are you talking about my bench having bad defense??? Look at your bench. My bench can score and whenever you have a good scoring bench good things happen

If you are really going to go that small with your lineup, it'll be hard to guard some of the taller and bigger teams in the league. Defensively, on your bench guards, they aren't capable. Look alot of what you're getting on offense is going to come exclusively from Pierce and Amare. Wallace scores off of dunks and hustle, and there's nothing wrong with that, but primarily your offense is coming from Amare and Pierce. And as good of a scoring bench you say you have, in Green and Thomas and McCants, keep in mind they all played on teams that had noone else to score with, or at least not many. Tim Thomas played on a Clipper team that was missing Brand all year pretty much, and got his with the extended minutes he got there. McCants played in Minnesota, enough said.

We aren't trying to knock your team, it is simply criticism. Don't look at our feedback and get in that mentality of "What? It's not perfect? No, I'm going to convince you it is and make it so!". Don't do that, it's only going to lead to arguments and make you look less credible. It's simply criticism, and on forums, you are guaranteed to have disagreements. We all have our opinions and make our cases, in the end the voting will display the results.

None of this personal by the way, in case anything I said sounded confrontational or anything, I respect all the posters here at S2....except maybe ZAE

 

[kk30]

If you are really going to go that small with your lineup, it'll be hard to guard some of the taller and bigger teams in the league. Defensively, on your bench guards, they aren't capable. Look alot of what you're getting on offense is going to come exclusively from Pierce and Amare. Wallace scores off of dunks and hustle, and there's nothing wrong with that, but primarily your offense is coming from Amare and Pierce. And as good of a scoring bench you say you have, in Green and Thomas and McCants, keep in mind they all played on teams that had noone else to score with, or at least not many. Tim Thomas played on a Clipper team that was missing Brand all year pretty much, and got his with the extended minutes he got there. McCants played in Minnesota, enough said.

We aren't trying to knock your team, it is simply criticism. Don't look at our feedback and get in that mentality of "What? It's not perfect? No, I'm going to convince you it is and make it so!". Don't do that, it's only going to lead to arguments and make you look less credible. It's simply criticism, and on forums, you are guaranteed to have disagreements. We all have our opinions and make our cases, in the end the voting will display the results.

None of this personal by the way, in case anything I said sounded confrontational or anything, I respect all the posters here at S2....except maybe ZAE

I don't mind criticism at all but you show me a team that's better than mine. And honestly Wallace doesn't get all his points from put back dunks and hustle, we'll not talking about Josh Boone here. Wallace is a scorer, a slasher and he has a mid range jumper that stretched beyond the 3 point line last year. He averaged 19.4 pts last year why wouldn't that be considered a primarily scoring option?

 

[DynastYWarrioR6]

I don't mind criticism at all but you show me a team that's better than mine. And honestly Wallace doesn't get all his points from put back dunks and hustle, we'll not talking about Josh Boone here. Wallace is a scorer, a slasher and he has a mid range jumper that stretched beyond the 3 point line last year. He averaged 19.4 pts last year why wouldn't that be considered a primarily scoring option?

Who else on Charlotte scores for his team? You put him with stars, and he isn't going to produce the same, which I'm sure you know already so that's not a knock, bu the isn't free to do what he did in Charlotte alongside Pierce and Amare. Ideally, alongside those two, you would want a top shooter as Amare is your proverbial inside, while Pierce is your outside, we can all assume that. Wallace isn't a scorer, and this is where personal opinion lies. Wallace is a defender in my opinion, and is a scorer for a team that lacks scoring, which amounts to him being primarily a defender, and not a scorer. It's not hard to find people who agree with me in this.

And look, I'm not saying my team is better than yours, I actually think my team ranks in the bottom, but your team is not the best. Despite the crap cpaw gets for his team being dysfunctional, they are actually more formidable offensively and defensively than your team. I think CK's team is better than yours, with a starting lineup that is just very fluid offensively. I think JCB's team is better also. I mean I'm leaving some people out I'm sure, but this is what I got off the top of my head.

 

[kk30]

Who else on Charlotte scores for his team? You put him with stars, and he isn't going to produce the same, which I'm sure you know already so that's not a knock, bu the isn't free to do what he did in Charlotte alongside Pierce and Amare. Ideally, alongside those two, you would want a top shooter as Amare is your proverbial inside, while Pierce is your outside, we can all assume that. Wallace isn't a scorer, and this is where personal opinion lies. Wallace is a defender in my opinion, and is a scorer for a team that lacks scoring, which amounts to him being primarily a defender, and not a scorer. It's not hard to find people who agree with me in this.

And look, I'm not saying my team is better than yours, I actually think my team ranks in the bottom, but your team is not the best. Despite the crap cpaw gets for his team being dysfunctional, they are actually more formidable offensively and defensively than your team. I think CK's team is better than yours, with a starting lineup that is just very fluid offensively. I think JCB's team is better also. I mean I'm leaving some people out I'm sure, but this is what I got off the top of my head.

I dont like the argument that being on a losing team effects the player tremendously. Wallace did play with J-rich but besides that than you can say the person who picked Al Jefferson is a real dumbass. Or Chris Kaman is garbage. There are so many losing teams in the NBA and you are basically saying that every player on a losing team is a bum and you cant really take any player on a losing team seriously. Listen I understand your point that maybe if they are the only scoring option on the team their stats are imploded but if they shoot at a high percentage or get a lot of rebounds what difference does it make?? Its not like all losing teams play only agaisnt losing teams, they have to go agaisnt the good teams too

 

[DynastYWarrioR6]

I dont like the argument that being on a losing team effects the player tremendously. Wallace did play with J-rich but besides that than you can say the person who picked Al Jefferson is a real dumbass. Or Chris Kaman is garbage. There are so many losing teams in the NBA and you are basically saying that every player on a losing team is a bum and you cant really take any player on a losing team seriously. Listen I understand your point that maybe if they are the only scoring option on the team their stats are imploded but if they shoot at a high percentage or get a lot of rebounds what difference does it make?? Its not like all losing teams play only agaisnt losing teams, they have to go agaisnt the good teams too

I should've clarified about what I said about your bench playing on losing teams. What I meant was that people like Tim Thomas, who got extended minutes due to others' injuries. And you base his clutch-ness on his one shot in the playoffs against the Lakers, cause outside of that, I don't recall any other clutch shot from him. People like Telfair and McCants who get extended minutes on teams like the Wolves that they wouldnt get on any other team is what I meant. Fewer minutes equals less production, and they got more than they would on any other team.

And all I said about Wallace is that he is only a scorer on a team that cannot score outside of Wallace and J-Rich. On a team with people who can play offense, Wallace is a defender, and there isn't anything wrong about admitting that.

 

[kk30]

I should've clarified about what I said about your bench playing on losing teams. What I meant was that people like Tim Thomas, who got extended minutes due to others' injuries. And you base his clutch-ness on his one shot in the playoffs against the Lakers, cause outside of that, I don't recall any other clutch shot from him. People like Telfair and McCants who get extended minutes on teams like the Wolves that they wouldnt get on any other team is what I meant. Fewer minutes equals less production, and they got more than they would on any other team.


And all I said about Wallace is that he is only a scorer on a team that cannot score outside of Wallace and J-Rich. On a team with people who can play offense, Wallace is a defender, and there isn't anything wrong about admitting that.

The thing is Wallace isn't just a defender like you would call Bruce Bowen a defender. He'll be more like how Paul Pierce was a "defender" last year for the Celtics. O.K Wallace's ppg will probably drop on a team with Pierce and Amare but he should still average somewhere between 16-18 pts per game.

 

[J_Ray]

Last year Bibby averaged 14pts 6 assists. The year before he averaged 17 pts and about 5 assists. Ok those may not be all star numbers but I'll take that any day with him being the fourth option on the team. This team won't need him to go back to his 18-7 days. Keep in mind he wasn't 100% last year due to injuries. Powell will not be getting the other 24 minutes because Blatche can spend time at center. Amare can spend time at center and Thomas could move over to Pf. Gerald Wallace can even play PF with Amare at Center. The team has many possibilites.
Telfair, Mccants, Green, Tim Thomas were basically all full time starters last year and I have them coming off my bench. Look at their numbers they all produce too.
If this team doesn't get deep into the playoffs there is something seriously wrong.
Pierce, Wallace and Amare all in their Prime?

Are you talking about my bench having bad defense??? Look at your bench. My bench can score and whenever you have a good scoring bench good things happen

The last 2 years, Bibby was on a horrible Kings team, and then when he went to Atlanta he was crazily inconsistent. Bibby is all about his offense, and needs his shots, on your team he's not gonna get his 12+ shots a game, so his 40% shooting isn't going to cut it. He does nothing great besides score and he won't even be utilized right and will get frustrated very easily. Players like him become blackhole like, and start chucking shots like he did when he came back from his injury this year. Then if Bibby does get his shots, he'll take away shots from your big 3. Your bench is ridiculously greedy and they are all me first players except for Powell. The problem with having all scorers is there will be very little ball movement and that's easy to cover unless it's someone like LeBron or Kobe you're covering. All the guys on your bench that did start are all guys that shouldn't be starters. They all deserve to be on the bench, and starting doesn't always mean your great, it's about who finishes the game. My bench D isn't as bad as you say dude, Jargon draws quite a few offensive fouls, Reggie Evans is one of thee elite defensive rebounders in the league and always has great energy, Williams & Webster both use their athleticism to stay in front of their guy and PG might be the only position that might lack some D off my bench but they both make up for it on the offensive end. My bench all have certain roles that help the team while apparently your whole bench's role is to score..? You have the Knicks type of approach while I have a combination of Cleveland & San Antonio approach like bench.

 

[lukewarmplay]

Come on, how'd you guys let me get away with this team?

 

[Kid Chocolate]

Your bench is too young Lukey. Great starting lineup though. Awesome frontcourt and I'm a fan of your guards. Delonte rules.


Also, Josh Powell is a PF, not a center, he was forced to play out of position at Center in an extremely small lineup for the Clips because they had no frontcourt.

 

[DynastYWarrioR6]

Come on, how'd you guys let me get away with this team?

It was easy to ignore you
but great job on assembling a team!