2008 GM Draft 1 Peer Evaluation Thread

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Atlantic Division

<u>Philadelphia 76ers - pegs</u>
C: Dwight Howard
PF: Drew Gooden
SF: Joe Johnson
SG: DeShawn Stevenson / Charlie Bell
PG: Jameer Nelson

Jameer Nelson is not the most dependable point guard, despite his fantastic performance in the playoffs. He can score, but he's not the greatest passer and has problems making the simplest post entry pass. If Howard was playing with a better passer on the Magic, he would be an absolute terror. Point guard has long been a weakness for the Magic, but Jameer Nelson isn't bad and Joe Johnson should be able to handle some of the playmaking load.

Drew Gooden reminds me of the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man and I don't have the same opinion of Charlie Bell as others here do..he's nothing special and is not adequate as the first option off the bench.

Outlook: Despite the fluffy game of Drew Gooden and Nelson's shortcomings in certain areas, Howard and Johnson will keep this team competitive. Stevenson will play strong defense while Nelson will score and provide some shooting. As long as the Sixers improve their bench, they should finish 2nd in the Atlantic.

<u>Boston Celtics - jtballa2o1</u>
C: Troy Murphy
PF: Zach Randolph
SF: Carmelo Anthony
SG: Michael Redd / Raja Bell
PG: Kirk Hinrich

Zach Randolph is a cancer. He is a poison and no team with him is ever going to be successful. In Redd, Melo, and Randolph, the Celtics have 3 of the most selfish players at their positions. Hinrich is bound to bounce back from a poor season, Murphy is solid, and Bell is a good defender and 3 point shooter, but this team is going to struggle mightily as the 3 big names fight for shots.

Outlook: Though Redd, Anthony, and Randolph are supremely talented offensive players, there is only one ball and the ball movement on this team will be atrocious. The Celtics will be plagued by selfishness and poor defense. No position higher than 5th in the Atlantic is realistic for this team.

<u>New York Knicks - Real</u>
C: Mehmet Okur
PF: Kevin Love
SF: Jason Kapono / Ryan Gomes
SG: Josh Howard
PG: Deron Williams / Sam Cassell

Josh Howard cannot be a full time shooting guard. It just is not going to happen. Sam Cassell is absolutely finished and Kapono is best suited coming off the bench. Love is unproven and undersized, though immensely talented. Deron Williams is an absolutely fantastic player, but he is not going to be able to turn this into a competitor. This team will require Williams to do too much scoring and that will detract from his strengths as a playmaker.

Outlook: Williams is a mega star at point guard, but this team is too flawed and not strong enough on either end to be very competitive. This is the 4th best team in the Atlantic.

<u>New Jersey Nets - ZAE</u>
C: Nick Collison / Joel Przybilla
PF: Chris Bosh
SF: Richard Jefferson
SG: John Salmons / Ricky Davis
PG: Chauncey Billups

Bosh, Jefferson, and Billups is a decent core, though Billups is clearly on the decline and Jefferson's best days are behind him, despite his age. It's funny, because in 2004 the only wings that I would've taken ahead of RJ were LeBron, Pierce, and Anthony, and today there are a good 20 players at that position that are better options than him. Now he is a defenseless player with an inflated ego whose offensive game isn't nearly as good as his numbers suggest. Salmons is a very promising player. He is a good fit at guard and I'm a fan of Collison. Przybilla is a strong backup center and we know Davis can score, but he comes with baggage. Bosh is obviously an All-Star with a terrific face up game.

Outlook: Average is the word that describes this team. Billups is a winner and a leader and Bosh is a star, but there is not enough for this to be one of the better teams. The Nets will be good for 3rd in the division.

<u>Toronto Barneys - cpawfan</u>
C: Eddy Curry
PF: Kevin Garnett / Boris Diaw
SF: Ron Artest / Jerry Stackhouse
SG: Stephen Jackson
PG: Rodney Stuckey

Fantastic. Garnett, Artest, and Jackson make this a helluva defensive team. Stuckey is a great young guard that is going to thrive alongside these players. Stack is on his last legs but can still contribute. I've never cared much for Diaw, but he fits with this team. Curry will provide the low post scoring that Garnett will not.

Outlook: This is easily the best team in the division and possibly the draft. The only concern I have other than Artest exploding is that there's no dependable go to scorer. KG is a small time performer and is always going to defer. Artest is certainly willing and capable, but he's too erratic of an offensive player for my liking. Jackson is willing, but I'm not sure he's capable. Nevertheless, this team is superb. 1st Atlantic.


..damn I'm bored.
 
really enjoyed the analysis Grand Kenyon but heres mine

Philadelphia 76ers - pegs
C: Dwight Howard
PF: Drew Gooden
SF: Joe Johnson
SG: DeShawn Stevenson / Charlie Bell
PG: Jameer Nelson

Joe Johnson will not be that good playing the SF position. He'll still score but he'll be horrible defensively. This team I don't think put enough scorers to surround Dwight Howard. Basically you need kind of a big three in this league and it only has a big two. Nelson, Stevenson and Gooden all arn't going to give much more than 10 points and are very inconsistent.

Outlook- Consistency will be a problem and this team will finish 4th

Boston Celtics - jtballa2o1
C: Troy Murphy
PF: Zach Randolph
SF: Carmelo Anthony
SG: Michael Redd / Raja Bell
PG: Kirk Hinrich

Very, very good offensive team but theres no way Randolph, Anthony and Redd can play together. Hinrich and Bell are both good defensively but 4/6 of the team does not know what defense is.

outlook- This team will win games with scoring but will lose just as much with lack of defense.
third place

New York Knicks - Real
C: Mehmet Okur
PF: Kevin Love
SF: Jason Kapono / Ryan Gomes
SG: Josh Howard
PG: Deron Williams / Sam Cassell

I think this team is going to have a lot of trouble. Howard hasn't played that much shooting guard over his career and this team really only has two players to go to for offense. The front court is very weak with Okur and Love. Love is a rookie but i wouldn't expect that great numbers this year and Okur has never been a good rebounder or defender. Kapono is not a starter and Gomes is good but hes also not really a starter either. This team will like Pegs team also have a lot of trouble with consistency.

Outlook- this team doesn't have much toughness besides Howard and Williams and Howard won't be as effective playing the two.
Fifth place

New Jersey Nets - ZAE
C: Nick Collison / Joel Przybilla
PF: Chris Bosh
SF: Richard Jefferson
SG: John Salmons / Ricky Davis
PG: Chauncey Billups

This team has a very good mix of leadership, defense and scoring. Bosh, Jefferson and Billups will mix nicely together as all are good leaders and defenders. I know Jefferson has slipped but that was mostly from lack of dedication do to the Nets losing record. Collison and Przybillia make up a good center tandem and Salmons is a good piece. Him and Ricky will split time which fives ZAE a balanced offense all around.

Outlook- good team and it should really challenge for the first spot in the division. Everybody on the team knows how to play and they none have that big of an ego for stats. I know Jefferson if he had a choice would much rather focus on winning than on stats. Solid team
Second place

Toronto Barneys - cpawfan
C: Eddy Curry
PF: Kevin Garnett / Boris Diaw
SF: Ron Artest / Jerry Stackhouse
SG: Stephen Jackson
PG: Rodney Stuckey

This team is a great defensively team besides Eddy Curry but they won't need Curry to do much but take up space. This team is not "building around" Curry like the knicks. Artest and Jackson are insane people but they are good b-ball players defensively and offensively. Stuckey is not a good fit being hes a score first PG and not very experienced. Hes more of an energy guy at this point. KG is going to like this team it kind of reminds me of the KG, Spreewell and Cassel team that made the playoffs

Outlook:This team is getting up their in age so this year may be their last run but anyhow the big three all know how to play defense and offense and that makes this team the best in the Atlantic.

First Place
 
I don't agree that Jefferson is a good defender. That's what stood out the most in that analysis.
 
Someone should make a prediction about the Pacific Division
 
ok the jazz have:

PG: Baron Davis
SG: Ben Gordon / Mickael Pietrus
SF: Yi Jianlian / Luke Walton
PF: David West
C : Brendan Haywood


i think this is a solid team... but i wana know what you guys think
 
C: Nene Hilario/Brook Lopez
PF: Marvin Williams
SF: Tayshaun Prince
SG: Brandon Roy / Michael Finley
PG: Jerryd Bayless

Ok, hows my team?
I think I need more veteran experience.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 14 2008, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ok the jazz have:

PG: Baron Davis
SG: Ben Gordon / Mickael Pietrus
SF: Yi Jianlian / Luke Walton
PF: David West
C : Brendan Haywood


i think this is a solid team... but i wana know what you guys think</div>

I like your starters except for Yi, he's quick for a PF, but isn't quick enough to stay in front of SF's. I'd bench him behind West and get someone else in that slot.
 
PG: D.Harris/Lowry
SG: K.Azubuike/M.Carrol
SF: R.Gay
PF: A.Horford/J.Maxiell
C: D.Milicic

Moar threes!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 14 2008, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ok the jazz have:

PG: Baron Davis
SG: Ben Gordon / Mickael Pietrus
SF: Yi Jianlian / Luke Walton
PF: David West
C : Brendan Haywood


i think this is a solid team... but i wana know what you guys think</div>
Bench Yi, start Walton so you have some perimeter D in your starting unit.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 14 2008, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 14 2008, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ok the jazz have:

PG: Baron Davis
SG: Ben Gordon / Mickael Pietrus
SF: Yi Jianlian / Luke Walton
PF: David West
C : Brendan Haywood


i think this is a solid team... but i wana know what you guys think</div>
Bench Yi, start Walton so you have some perimeter D in your starting unit.
</div>


VERY TRU... maybe with my upcoming pick ill pick up somebody
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 14 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG: D.Harris/Lowry
SG: K.Azubuike/M.Carrol
SF: R.Gay
PF: A.Horford/J.Maxiell
C: D.Milicic

Moar threes!</div>


i like everybody on ur team except darko
harris and lowry are solid pgs and azub should have a more productive season... i think horford is gonna be a great PF someday
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 14 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 14 2008, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG: D.Harris/Lowry
SG: K.Azubuike/M.Carrol
SF: R.Gay
PF: A.Horford/J.Maxiell
C: D.Milicic

Moar threes!</div>


i like everybody on ur team except darko
harris and lowry are solid pgs and azub should have a more productive season... i think horford is gonna be a great PF someday
</div>
Dang, everybody hating on Darko lol. Seems i should go big with my next pick then.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Aug 14 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 14 2008, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ok the jazz have:

PG: Baron Davis
SG: Ben Gordon / Mickael Pietrus
SF: Yi Jianlian / Luke Walton
PF: David West
C : Brendan Haywood


i think this is a solid team... but i wana know what you guys think</div>

I like your starters except for Yi, he's quick for a PF, but isn't quick enough to stay in front of SF's. I'd bench him behind West and get someone else in that slot.
</div>


ya i guess you guys are rite... next pick is important for me then
 
ok now let me put my revisions

PG: Baron Davis
SG: Ben Gordon / Mickael Pietrus
SF: Luke Walton / Joe Alexander
PF: David West / Yi Jianlian
C : Brendan Haywood

now i think thats solid...
 
My team is getting no recognition at all in the Central division.

Nash
Ginobili / Mobely
Battier
Millsap / Bargnani
Ilgauskus

With Nash running this team, offense wont be a problem.

My team knows how to shoot, defend and in addition the team has toughness.

We have youngsters and veterens, and most importantly my team consists of winners with playoff experience.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Aug 14 2008, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ok now let me put my revisions

PG: Baron Davis
SG: Ben Gordon / Mickael Pietrus
SF: Luke Walton / Joe Alexander
PF: David West / Yi Jianlian
C : Brendan Haywood

now i think thats solid...</div>

Your team looks like it'd be pretty fun to watch. Defense wouldn't be too shabby, either.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Aug 15 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My team is getting no recognition at all in the Central division.

Nash
Ginobili / Mobely
Battier
Millsap / Bargnani
Ilgauskus

With Nash running this team, offense wont be a problem.

My team knows how to shoot, defend and in addition the team has toughness.

We have youngsters and veterens, and most importantly my team consists of winners with playoff experience.</div>

even with Nash running the team he doesn't really have a go to guy to pass to. Ginobolli is a great player but hes much more comfortable being the second or third option on offense not the first
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 16 2008, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Aug 15 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My team is getting no recognition at all in the Central division.

Nash
Ginobili / Mobely
Battier
Millsap / Bargnani
Ilgauskus

With Nash running this team, offense wont be a problem.

My team knows how to shoot, defend and in addition the team has toughness.

We have youngsters and veterens, and most importantly my team consists of winners with playoff experience.</div>

even with Nash running the team he doesn't really have a go to guy to pass to. Ginobolli is a great player but hes much more comfortable being the second or third option on offense not the first
</div>

Ginobili is capable of being a Go-to guy in crutial times. Through several playoffs games he has demonstrated that when Duncan and Parker are struggling he can carry the load.

Rather than having a go to guy like Lebron on my team, I chose to draft players that compliment each other, and can play team ball.


Battier, Manu, Nash can all shoot the 3.
Manu and Nash can create their own shot.
Ilgauskus, though is a health risk is a threat down-low.
and Millsap's mid-range game is improving.

the bench with cuttino and Bargs increases the teams perimeter threat and fits perfectly well with Nash.
Cuttino can focus on shooting with my team, unlike the clippers where he had to create his own shot.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Aug 15 2008, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Aug 15 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My team is getting no recognition at all in the Central division.

Nash
Ginobili / Mobely
Battier
Millsap / Bargnani
Ilgauskus

With Nash running this team, offense wont be a problem.

My team knows how to shoot, defend and in addition the team has toughness.

We have youngsters and veterens, and most importantly my team consists of winners with playoff experience.</div>

even with Nash running the team he doesn't really have a go to guy to pass to. Ginobolli is a great player but hes much more comfortable being the second or third option on offense not the first
</div>

You're overextending yourself if you're attributing Coach Popovich's strategy with any offensive insecurities. Ginobili is a dynamite scorer and his up-tempo play would be great with Nash, who can feed him for lay ups or find him along the perimeter in the half-court.

Hell, I wish that were my team.
 
lol Nash can create for himself? I've seen him create for others consistently AND then he takes advantage when ppl give him a little room try to stop him from passing. But I've never seen Nash create for himself and be a scorer consistently, that's why he shoots at a high percentage. Besides Ginobli though, none of those guys are consistent scorers and they play off of other superstars that create. IMO your starters will be much better Bargnani starting and being another scorer in that lineup. Millsap is a good bench player but he tries so hard, he wouldn't be that effective with starter minutes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J_Ray @ Aug 16 2008, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol Nash can create for himself? I've seen him create for others consistently AND then he takes advantage when ppl give him a little room try to stop him from passing.</div>

Thus Nash is able to create his own shot, because people focus on his passing abilities and when he gets a bit of room he can shoot it with a high percentage



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J_Ray @ Aug 16 2008, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they play off of other superstars that create.</div>

That is Nash. Yes I agree that my team does not consist of scorers who can create their own shot, but my team can play a team offense ala detroit, and would be extremely efficient.

Millsap is in the starting line-up because I wanted some toughness, Battier provides perimeter defense and toughness whereas Millsap can provide interior toughness, his energy is also essential as a garbage type of player.

Millsap does have an underated mid-range game tho.

With that said, I do understand Bargnani would perhaps be a better player to start, but currently I feel like my team needs more interior toughness which bargs does not provide. But im still on the fence about this.

Thankss for the commentss!!
 
Los Angeles Lakers

PG- Derek Fisher
SG- Dwayne Wade
SF- Jamario Moon
PF- Lamar Odom
C- Tyson Chandler

Bench: Eddie House, Matt Barnes, Francisco Elson


What do you guys think? Should I put Moon on the bench and start either Barnes or Elson at PF and drop Odom to SF?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 16 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Los Angeles Lakers

PG- Derek Fisher
SG- Dwayne Wade
SF- Jamario Moon
PF- Lamar Odom
C- Tyson Chandler

Bench: Eddie House, Matt Barnes, Francisco Elson


What do you guys think? Should I put Moon on the bench and start either Barnes or Elson at PF and drop Odom to SF?</div>

no keep moon as a starter
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 16 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Los Angeles Lakers

PG- Derek Fisher
SG- Dwayne Wade
SF- Jamario Moon
PF- Lamar Odom
C- Tyson Chandler

Bench: Eddie House, Matt Barnes, Francisco Elson


What do you guys think? Should I put Moon on the bench and start either Barnes or Elson at PF and drop Odom to SF?</div>

no keep moon as a starter

Appreciate the input kk30. :)
 
Marvin Williams would be better suited backing up Tayshaun, then you are starting Brook with Nene as your big men.
 

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