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Belated welcome Zalsa! Not too much going on around here other than Blazers and Oregon and Oregon State stuff right now. But I'm sure we would all love to get other parts of this forum hopping. You can cuss here so tell your friends! :)

The part Porkchopexpress was joking about was the 5.8 average stars put of USC. Not sure if you were referring to a different star rating, or the 5.0-6.1 rating Rivals gives.
 
Wheels said:
Belated welcome Zalsa! Not too much going on around here other than Blazers and Oregon and Oregon State stuff right now. But I'm sure we would all love to get other parts of this forum hopping. You can cuss here so tell your friends! :)

The part Porkchopexpress was joking about was the 5.8 average stars put of USC. Not sure if you were referring to a different star rating, or the 5.0-6.1 rating Rivals gives.
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Wait, there's 6 stars? I guess jokes on me. I don't pay too much attention to recruiting and had never heard of more than 5. My bad Zalsa, and welcome to the forum.
 
porkchopexpress said:
Wait, there's 6 stars? I guess jokes on me. I don't pay too much attention to recruiting and had never heard of more than 5. My bad Zalsa, and welcome to the forum.
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No you are right in Rivals uses the 1* - 5* System but they also have a 4.9-6.1 ranking of each star (i.e. a 4* player rated a 6.0 is more highly thought of than a 5.8 4* player) Its on rivals right under their star rating there is a hotlink that just says "About" and when you click on it it give you this.

Rivals.com Prospect Database
About Football Ratings

Rivals.com has assembled the top team of recruiting analysts in the nation with both national and regional experts based all throughout the country. With those strengths, players at a number of different positions will be ranked once a month from June until February.


The rankings are compiled after countless hours of film evaluation, personal observations and input from professional, college and high school coaches.


In the finished product, players are ranked a number of different ways but the most important ways are numerically by position, qualitatively by stars and a new ranking system that grades players on the expected impact they will make in college.


Players are ranked numerically on a national level at their positions. The numerical ranking at each position varies depending on the depth of the talent at the position.


Players are also ranked on their quality with a star ranking. A five-star prospect is considered to be one of the nation's top 25-30 players, four star is a top 250-300 or so player, three-stars is a top 750 level player, two stars means the player is a mid-major prospect and one star means the player is not ranked.


The ranking system ranks prospects on a numerical scale from 6.1-4.9.



6.1 Franchise Player; considered one of the elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation's top 25 players overall; deemed to have excellent pro potential; high-major prospect

6.0-5.8 All-American Candidate; high-major prospect; considered one of the nation's top 300 prospects; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.7-5.5 All-Region Selection; considered among the region's top prospects and among the top 750 or so prospects in the country; high-to-mid-major prospect; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.4-5.0 Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player

4.9 Sleeper; no Rivals.com expert knew much, if anything, about this player; a prospect that only a college coach really knew about


Rivals.com is proud to present the most advanced database system ever created and the most advanced rating system around. If you have any questions about the database or rankings contact recruiting@rivals.com.
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feel free to skip to the #'s part just thought I would include all of it for everyone. And recruiting nerds like me find it interesting :)
 
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Wheels said:
feel free to skip to the #'s part just thought I would include all of it for everyone. And recruiting nerds like me find it interesting :)
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So, is 6.1 = 5*, 5.8-6.0 = 4*, 5.5-5.7 = 3*, 5.0-5.4 = 2* and 4.9 = 1*? That is how I read their breakdown, but I could be wrong.
 
porkchopexpress said:
So, is 6.1 = 5*, 5.8-6.0 = 4*, 5.5-5.7 = 3*, 5.0-5.4 = 2* and 4.9 = 1*? That is how I read their breakdown, but I could be wrong.
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correct with the 6.0 being borderline 5* players
 
Wheels said:
correct with the 6.0 being borderline 5* players
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Makes sense, I guess. Although it does seem odd to have a scale of 4.9-6.1, when they could have just gone to decimals. Oh well, nothing I can do about. Thanks for the info.
 
Shaq Thompson has in-homes tonight with both UCLA and UW.

UW fans also seem to think Arik Armstead is a silent commit to them????
 
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porkchopexpress said:
So, is 6.1 = 5*, 5.8-6.0 = 4*, 5.5-5.7 = 3*, 5.0-5.4 = 2* and 4.9 = 1*? That is how I read their breakdown, but I could be wrong.
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No worries about it PCE. We all make mistakes once in a while.
Using PCE's standard of Rivals to Stars:
6.1 = 5*, 5.8-6.0 = 4*, 5.5-5.7 = 3*, 5.0-5.4 = 2* and 4.9 = 1*?

I'll check out other Pac-12 schools, see what competition Oregon has up against(3.33 stars, for Rivals it is 5.7).

USC. 3.916 stars and Rivals is 5.85(J. Simmons helps their case by MILES. That man is a beast, and I played O-line, take it from me. Their 2 3stars bog them down though).

Washington(because Tosh Lupoi could be revolutionary for them because of lolAlamo Bowl). N=20

Using Stars.
2 4Stars.
12 3Stars.
6 2Stars

Average: 2.8 Stars(the 2stars bog them down, but they are okay
Mode: 3

Using Rivals
6.0 5.8 5.7(2) 5.6(7) 5.5(5) 5.4(2)
Average: 5.025(Rivals)
Mode: 5.6

Well, Lupoi pulling a Benedict Arnold for Washington has proved most beneficial for Washington.

For Stanford N=17
Using Stars.
9 4stars.
8 3stars.

Average:3.53
Mode: 4(by a hair due to one recruit).

Using Rivals.
6.0 5.9 5.8(7) 5.6(6) 5.5(2)
Average: 5.7
Mode: 5.8

Although Luck is off to truck at Indy, Stanford looks to be okay, but the lack of an efficient QB may make them tumble a bit.

For Utah N=23
Using Stars
5 4stars.
14 3stars.
3 2stars.
1 No-star.

Average:2.95
Mode: 3

Using Rivals.
5.8(5) 5.7(2) 5.6(4) 5.5(7) 5.4(3) None
Average: 5.108
Mode: 5.5

Mia Valaoga(the star-less Rival-less) is dragging this team down quite a bit. Although given that none of us expected Utah to roflstomp Alabama back in '09(which I loved IMMENSLY due to my SEC hatred) this could be up for debate.

Any other teams you want me to do stats on guys? I'll do Big 10 opponents next(Rose Bowl contenders).
 
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MJA said:
This article makes me feel kind of bad for Shaq.

http://blogs.sacbee.com/preps/

MJA
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I can't imagine what it's like. I mean, you have a man you revere and respect(Lupoi) going to an entirely different school, then Tedford, then Chip Kelly himself.

People must be like, pressuring him so hard on Twitter or Facebook and stuff.

Although, since I'm a Duck fan, I'd say go with Chip, but I'd be happy for whatever school he went too.
 
Wow,

UW site trying to sabotage our recruiting? They are saying that Chip is secretly bolting for the NFL and we are out of it for Shaq.

http://www.uwdawgpound.com/

Naturally there are no sources. Just libel from a team who's better years are far in the past.

Still, that's some dirty pool...

MJA
 
MJA said:
This article makes me feel kind of bad for Shaq.

http://blogs.sacbee.com/preps/

MJA
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On one hand, yes, it does make me feel bad. On the other hand, Shaq has easily been the most outspoken top recruit on the West coast, with all the hints in his Tweets, his reaching out to alums of other programs, etc. etc.

Had he just stuck with Cal, it would be over by now. I'm sure it's Tosh who is giving him the migraines, though. The same guy who sold him on Cal is now negatively recruiting against Cal, but Shaq likes him. It won't be easy when Shaq says no to Tosh, and it's probably tearing at him. That said, if he had more life experience, he'd see that his loyalty to Tosh is misguided, given Tosh's own loyalty issues with Cal.
 
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Zalsa said:
I can't imagine what it's like. I mean, you have a man you revere and respect(Lupoi) going to an entirely different school, then Tedford, then Chip Kelly himself.

People must be like, pressuring him so hard on Twitter or Facebook and stuff.

Although, since I'm a Duck fan, I'd say go with Chip, but I'd be happy for whatever school he went too.
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Zalsa,

Seems to me it's Lupoi who has caused this issue. And I have to say it's pretty classless to come after the kid after moving to a different university. Look, I'd much rather have him in UW, because they simply aren't the threat that Cal can be. But for Lupoi to mess with this kid's head? To pull on him because he know the kid feels some loyalty to him? He clearly has no regard for what's best for the player as a person.

What an A-hole.
MJA
 
PapaG said:
On one hand, yes, it does make me feel bad. On the other hand, Shaq has easily been the most outspoken top recruit on the West coast, with all the hints in his Tweets, his reaching out to alums of other programs, etc. etc.

Had he just stuck with Cal, it would be over by now. I'm sure it's Tosh who is giving him the migraines, though. The same guy who sold him on Cal is now negatively recruiting against Cal, but Shaq likes him. It won't be easy when Shaq says no to Tosh, and it's probably tearing at him. That said, if he had more experience, he'd see that his loyalty to Tosh is misguided, given Tosh's own loyalty issues with Cal.
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PapaG,

Looks like we agree...

MJA
 
not sure who Dylan Ausherman is or how highly thought of he is, but Duckfootball retweeted this

DylanAusherman Dylan Ausherman
I can't wait for this visit to Oregon! #OOOOO #QUACKQUACK
17 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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I can tell he is a kicker/punter but not sure much else
 
MJA said:
PapaG,

Looks like we agree...

MJA
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The beauty of this for Oregon is that Shaq can step in and have a good shot at starting for Oregon next year. He'd be able to do the same at UW, UCLA, or Cal, but at Oregon, he'd likely be a freshman starter on a preseason Top 10 team. I don't like it when coaches guarantee things, but in this case, Chip should mention Anthony Pleasant being gone, and Shaq teaming with Boyett in a safety tandem in which both can play FS and SS at times, depending on the formation.
 
Wheels said:
not sure who Dylan Ausherman is or how highly thought of he is, but Duckfootball retweeted this



I can tell he is a kicker/punter but not sure much else
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It's long been my belief that there are at least 20 former HS soccer players on any Pac-12 campus who can consistently kick a 40-yard FG with enough practice. Watch intramural flag football and you'll see them. Hell, my brother and I go kicking with our kids at Tualatin HS every New Year's Day, and I made a 34-yarder this year with a two-step approach, and I'm near 40 and kick once a year!
 
PapaG/MJA, what makes you guys believe Tosh is bashing CAL since his move to UW? He can sell UW without going negative towards Cal. I'm a Husky fan, but grew up watching the ducks, so it's not like I hate Oregon or anything. I just haven't read anything, other than Cal and Oregon fans complaining, about Tosh bashing Cal in order to get recruits to flip to UW. The one kid that has switched so far (I can only think of one) went to UCLA, not UW. It just seems like overreaction by Oregon fans because he went to UW.
 
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PapaG/MJA, what makes you guys believe Tosh is bashing CAL since his move to UW? He can sell UW without going negative towards Cal. I'm a Husky fan, but grew up watching the ducks, so it's not like I hate Oregon or anything. I just haven't read anything, other than Cal and Oregon fans complaining, about Tosh bashing Cal in order to get recruits to flip to UW. The one kid that has switched so far (I can only think of one) went to UCLA, not UW. It just seems like overreaction by Oregon fans because he went to UW.
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Stuff I read on BearInsider from a few Cal verbals who didn't decommit. It's Cal fans who are upset with Lupoi. I don't really care, other than UW now seems to have a bunch of young assistants who are being bonused based on what level of recruit they bring to UW. That's a recipe for disaster, IMO.
 
PapaG said:
Stuff I read on BearInsider from a few Cal verbals who didn't decommit. It's Cal fans who are upset with Lupoi. I don't really care, other than UW now seems to have a bunch of young assistants who are being bonused based on what level of recruit they bring to UW. That's a recipe for disaster, IMO.
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Ah, ok. I'm just going off of what I've read from Cal fans posting on Dawgman. I also didn't know about the bonus structure. From what I've seen, Tosh (since that was the big one) gets paid 350k a year (way lower than the initial reports) + 100k signing bonus + 100k if he stays through his full contract.
 
I was going to pick Boise State, but it looks like they're going to fall to a dark age due to the loss of starters and Kellen Moore. Nothing but 3 and 2 stars. And even some no-stars. Could TCU get into the Rose Bowl if possible next year should USC or Ducks go to Natty?

Michigan N=23
Using stars
2 5stars
9 4stars
11 3stars

Average:3.434
Mode: 11

Using Rivals
6.1(2) 5.9 5.8(8) 5.7(7) 5.6(3) 5.5

Average:5.5
Mode: 5.8

Brady Hoke took one of the worst D's and made it into a threat, as well as a winning record and Bowl Win. I think with this crop, Michigan could be a Rose Bowl contender, maybe if by God's grace a Title contender if they can knock out Alabama in Dallas in the first game of the year.

Michigan State N=16

Using Stars
2 4stars
13 3stars
1 No-star

Average 2.9375
Mode: 3

Using Rivals

5.9 5.8 5.7(5) 5.6(4) 5.5(4) Star-less

Average: 5.2875
Mode: 5.7

Michigan State may not return to the Big 10 picture in the near future. With their veterans gone, this would be a rebuilding year for the Spartans. It's Hoke's year now.

Nebraska N=13

Using stars
5 4stars
8 3stars

Average: 3.4
Mode: 3

Using Rivals
5.9 5.8(4) 5.7(4) 5.6(2) 5.5(2)

Average: 5.7
Mode: 5.7 and 5.8. Bimodal.

Well...if most of Nebraska's starters return, things could be promising for the Huskers. I don't know much about the team to make correct predictions. Probably not a BCS bowl contender.

Ohio State N=23

Using Stars
2 5stars
13 4 stars
8 3stars

Average: 3.74
Mode: 4

Using Rivals
6.1(2) 5.9(3) 5.8(10) 5.7(5) 5.6 5.5(2)

Average: 5.8
Mode: 5.8

I think anyone knows the answer to the Buckeye's success. 2 words: Urban Meyer. Although Ohio State is exempt from Bowl games this year(or the next, I dunno), they will be a National title contender give 2-3 years time.

Wisconsin N=11

Using Stars
4 4stars
6 3stars
1 2star

Average: 3.27 repeating
Mode: 3

Using Rivals
5.9 5.8(3) 5.7(4) 5.6 5.5 5.4

Average: 5.7
Mode: 5.7

Well...although they lose Russel Wilson, it's too early to tell whether or not Wisconsin can return to the title race. They do keep Montee Ball(who should have declared for the Draft. He's gonna be a bust...) so that helps their case somewhat.

Big 10 Overall:
3.434+2.9375+3.4+3.74+3.27/5= 5
5.5+5.3+5.7+5.8+5.7/5= 5.6

Winner of Big 10. Either Michigan or Ohio State.

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So it's just Cal fans being incredibly butthurt over losing a coach. Understandable. Pac-12 North is gonna be a dog fight between UW, Oregon, or Stanford at this point if Tosh revolutionizes UW(which seems unlikely, but hey, no one expected friggin Auburn to make the Natty 2 years ago, and that's all because of Cam Newtown).

Pac-12 south will be a stomp in the Trojans favor. Utah may give trouble but I doubt it because USC Defensive players are akin to SEC Defense. Oh, and Barkley and his weapons.

lolArizona and ASU.
 
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You know the more the story unfolds around this Tosh guy and the recruiting of Shaq, Ellis and Arik the more I think I don't want the Ducks to be around any of them. When a kid picks a school it's for the team, coach, education, uniforms maybe and even location. Now it seems like Shaq and Arik are following a recruiter that's already sold them both on one school and then bolted for another. How in the world do these kids feel that Tosh is loyal to them and has their best interest at heart?

Tosh is a no prisoner taking salesmen and these kids are prime commissions to him nothing more! That's why UW is paying Tosh 500K to be a "defense line coach" that the Ducks ran all over when he was a Cal for years. I hope these kids parents or high school coaches figure this out and relay it to these kids in a hurry because I'm betting once these kids are where Tosh is... his best friend "GOOD GUY" image to these kids will change in a hurry and off to the next recruiting class he goes!
 
The Pac-12 comes down to two teams only next year and that's The Ducks and Trojans..... The Happy Trees don't have Luck and we have them in Autzen as do we have the PUPPIES! So it's Chip vs Lamo Kiffen for it all! Lamo doesn't have the football IQ to dual with a pissed off Chip Kelly looking for some payback for a game all Duck fans know we fell asleep in the first half to lose! That wont happen again!
 
Zalsa said:
So there's no USC forum I assume of this site?
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SportsTwo is always looking for new sections to open up and new mods. If you want to start up a USC Football forum and want to mod it I'm sure that can be arranged.

SportsTwo is a lot more laid back with a lot less rules than most sports forums.
 
MJA said:
Wow,

UW site trying to sabotage our recruiting? They are saying that Chip is secretly bolting for the NFL and we are out of it for Shaq.

http://www.uwdawgpound.com/

Naturally there are no sources. Just libel from a team who's better years are far in the past.

Still, that's some dirty pool...

MJA
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from your link... Shaq Thomson still has UW at the top of his list but now says that he may not decide until after signing day. Oregon is dropping out of the race for Shaq which is no big surprise after he was stood up by Kelly last weekend.

Too bad for this Fusky hack that Kelly is batting clean up next Friday as ST's final in home visitor eh? Also, what head coach makes in home visits 600 miles away on the same day he's hosting 4 recruits on Official Visits (answer... none). Kelly was in Tampa on Wednesday. I don't think this guy is sabotaging UO recruiting so much as signing his name to laughably bad speculation dressed up as fact.

I'd really like to have Shaq on the Ducks for his talents, but for the short term I want him to put on an O hat just for the nuclear meltdowns on the UW & Cal boards.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
from your link... Shaq Thomson still has UW at the top of his list but now says that he may not decide until after signing day. Oregon is dropping out of the race for Shaq which is no big surprise after he was stood up by Kelly last weekend.

Too bad for this Fusky hack that Kelly is batting clean up next Friday as ST's final in home visitor eh? Also, what head coach makes in home visits 600 miles away on the same day he's hosting 4 recruits on Official Visits (answer... none). Kelly was in Tampa on Wednesday. I don't think this guy is sabotaging UO recruiting so much as signing his name to laughably bad speculation dressed up as fact.

I'd really like to have Shaq on the Ducks for his talents, but for the short term I want him to put on an O hat just for the nuclear meltdowns on the UW & Cal boards.

STOMP
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Lol that would be great wouldn't it?

It would take the UW fans and their sanctions conspiracy to a whole new level.
 
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