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[THE HCP]

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Done!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Athleticism:He’s not very fast or super explosive with the ball in his hands, but he’s quick. He doesn’t zoom around the court but has nice area quickness and burst to beat his man. Marshall accelerates from the triple threat pretty quickly and has a nice first step. Has decent speed to push the pace and tempo up the floor in transition, but not the speed to be a one man fast break. His straight-line speed allows him to get into the lane and finish at a good rate. Doesn’t change direction very quickly and lacks the shiftiness that a lot of elite NBA point guards have. Has decent spring for a point guard though and can get up, but he’s a very grounded player with a low center of gravity. What he lacks in speed and quickness he makes up for in being decisive and efficient with movement.

-Swishscout.com on Kendall Marshall

Has good speed but lacks the great explosiveness that top tier point guards in the league possses … He is forced to shoot high amount of attempts in the paint because his marginal leaping ability makes it difficult for him to finish around the basket …

-NBAdraft.net on Rubio

Average athleticism
- Average explosiveness
- Plays below the rim

-Draftexpress on Rubio

 

[JDC]

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Is anyone else bothered by Sullinger's (only) 9 boards/game? Milsap, Randolph and Love were all much better rebounders. You would think at his size he should be pulling down >10. Aldridge had more rebounds in his last year than Sullinger. He seems more like a Sean May pick.

Sullinger pulled down 12 rpg per 40 (pace adjusted) and 13.4 is frosh year.

For comparison, Love was at 14.8 his 1 year at UCLA, LaMarcus was 11rpg his last year at Texas.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Defense: Given that he doesn't shift his momentum very fast, move very well laterally, or have great length, you wouldn't think he would be a great perimeter defender. Conversely, he utilizes his smarts by showing assertiveness on defense with applying pressure, focus, good positioning and effort. Despite all this, he will struggle against the quicker, more elite athletes but will know which way to force them so that help can divert their athleticism and contest shots. He's a limited on ball defender, but is okay overall with his feel for the game. Makes great reads in passing lanes with anticipation and quick hands, also preying on entry passes to pick up steals. Tendency to drop under screens on the pick and roll but does a good job of defending it and fighting over when he has to. Very good at swiping at the ball when the opposition drives the lane and can create turnovers by knocking it away on help defense. Could be an excellent post doubler with his active hands in situations with poor shooting opposition, but otherwise get exposed for slow recovery to his man from the post for an open shot.

-SwishScout.com (second best Draft site on the net!)​

He should take a page out of Eric Snow's book of defense: Learn to take away angles before the opponent can make his move. With his feel for the game I think he could be able to do this.

 

[Rhal]

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-SwishScout.com (second best Draft site on the net!)​

He should take a page out of Eric Snow's book of defense: Learn to take away angles before the opponent can make his move. With his feel for the game I think he could be able to do this.

If we keep at least one of our picks i really like the idea of getting Marshal. Dream scenario would be moving into the top 3 and picking MKG/Beal/Davis then drafting Marshal. Just thinking of that has made me go change my pants... at least its that idea or the fact Diablo 3 beta just finished Dling, not sure which.

 

[Natebishop3]

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It's looking like we will have to take Marshall with the NJ pick if we really want him. I don't think he'll last past Utah at 8 (if we do, in fact, end up with the 7th pick)

 

[Blaze01]

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To take Marshall in the top 10 would be a a serious reach IMO.....

 

[PtldPlatypus]

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My Answer? Rivers...

Yours?

tl;dr

Actually, I agree with you. But I want Marshall too.

I'm of the opinion that rather than focusing on the preponderance of post players, we might be better off getting two guards with our picks--Marshall, and a SG who can be a top-line scorer. I think Rivers is probably that guy.

 

[Reep]

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Sullinger pulled down 12 rpg per 40 (pace adjusted) and 13.4 is frosh year.

For comparison, Love was at 14.8 his 1 year at UCLA, LaMarcus was 11rpg his last year at Texas.

Huh? How can you pull rebound numbers out of 40 min, when they don't play that many minutes and you have no idea how they would do with fitness and foul trouble. Bottom line is that was not even in the top 30 in college. Now, maybe he was having an off year, or there was something in their system, but rebounding is one thing that translates very closely in the NBA. Top rebounders remain top rebounders. Mid-level rebounders remain mid-level. I don't like the idea of a relatively short heavy/wide 4/5 who is a mid-level rebounder.

Would you be happy drafting him and getting 8 boards a game from him? I wouldn't--not next to LMA. That could make the lowest rebounding 4/5 tandem in the league.

 

[Reep]

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It's looking like we will have to take Marshall with the NJ pick if we really want him. I don't think he'll last past Utah at 8 (if we do, in fact, end up with the 7th pick)

It does look like this. It might be a reach, or it might not. Depends on how he develops. At this point a few years ago, Westbrook was considered a reach in a similar position. He rightfully moved up the board and we all know how that ended.

I don't like the way the draft looks to be falling if we end up with the fixed draft positions (about 7 and about 11). We miss the three skilled bigs, and are left with a bunch of wing players and backcourt tweeners, that all have some issues. I sure hope they try to convert the NJ pick into a #4 or #5 somehow. If not, then I'm all for combining them if you can get one of #2-4 somehow.

 

[crowTrobot]

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[Rastapopoulos]

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It's annoying that we can't settle the free agency issue before the draft. I see us targeting a PG in free agency but we won't know if we'll get one before the draft. I would actually be surprised if we did take Marshall, just because I doubt the front office that invested a pick in Nolan will give up on him so soon. (They should, but will they?)

 

[Mediocre Man]

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It's annoying that we can't settle the free agency issue before the draft. I see us targeting a PG in free agency but we won't know if we'll get one before the draft. I would actually be surprised if we did take Marshall, just because I doubt the front office that invested a pick in Nolan will give up on him so soon. (They should, but will they?)

Now that the head of the three headed GM that made the Nolan pick is gone, it might not matter. They also might see Smith as a nice combo type guard off the bench

 

[Natebishop3]

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You don't pass on a better player because you drafted a guy at the same spot the year before.

Case in point: Sebastian Telfair/Chris Paul

 

[Duckhook]

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You don't pass on a better player because you drafted a guy at the same spot the year before.

Case in point: Sebastian Telfair/Chris Paul

Or Clyde Drexler/Michael Jordan....????

EDIT: No matter how long it's been, that one still hurts doesn't it? :-(

 

[THE HCP]

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Or Clyde Drexler/Michael Jordan....????

EDIT: No matter how long it's been, that one still hurts doesn't it? :-(

I'll say it before and I'll say it again son....... Jim Paxson was an all-star SG, with Clyde as his backup.

 

[Mediocre Man]

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I'll say it before and I'll say it again son....... Jim Paxson was an all-star SG, with Clyde as his backup.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You should always draft the best player available.

 

[THE HCP]

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. You should always draft the best player available.

I used to be a draft for need type o guy........ but NO MORE! The CP3/DWILL draft soured me big time. I'm with you MM, acquire the most talent and let the coach deal with the egos.

 

[Mediocre Man]

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I used to be a draft for need type o guy........ but NO MORE! The CP3/DWILL draft soured me big time. I'm with you MM, acquire the most talent and let the coach deal with the egos.

Or simply trade the overstock of talent at one position for position of need.

With the NBA now, and players really being able to play multiple positions, there is never a need not to go with BPA

 

[crowTrobot]

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I used to be a draft for need type o guy........ but NO MORE! The CP3/DWILL draft soured me big time. I'm with you MM, acquire the most talent and let the coach deal with the egos.

fortunately (or unfortunately) having to choose between best available talent vs. need isn't likely to be much of an issue this year, since we need to upgrade everything that doesn't duplicate what LMA does.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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B-Edge with a gem:

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Btw, I hope we don't send out too many smoke screens this year -- it's backfired bigtime back in 2008:

The Blazer used Serge Ibaka as a smokescreen so they can draft Nicolas Batum.

True story.

 

[HailBlazers]

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rosetank, nice!

Serge is damn good, but Batum's ceiling is higher IMO

 

[RoyToy]

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I'd take Iblocka over Batum 11/10.

Batum is too passive.

 

[Run BJM]

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Serge is damn good, but Batum's ceiling is higher IMO

Perhaps, but Ibaka is a big man, leading the league in blocks in 27 mpg (and its not even close), and hes younger.

 

[Rhal]

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Perhaps, but Ibaka is a big man, leading the league in blocks in 27 mpg (and its not even close), and hes younger.

There both incomplete players that still have huge holes in there game. Nico is more rounded at the moment and they are both very inconsistent. Neither one is more then a role player right now.

 

[LameR]

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rosetank, nice!

Serge is damn good, but Batum's ceiling is higher IMO

Batum's ceiling may be higher, but he'll never actually reach it.

 

[illmatic99]

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Btw, I hope we don't send out too many smoke screens this year -- it's backfired bigtime back in 2008:

The Blazer used Serge Ibaka as a smokescreen so they can draft Nicolas Batum.

True story.

Where is this coming from? I don't remember it.

I do remember in 09 when we moved up to 22, everyone thought it was to draft Casspi, and we got Claver instead.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Where is this coming from? I don't remember it.

I do remember in 09 when we moved up to 22, everyone thought it was to draft Casspi, and we got Claver instead.

It was from the rado broadcast on that draft day. Mike & Mike ran with that one.

The '10 draft everyone thought the Blazers were trading up/targeting Kevin Seraphin, every mock that day had the Blazers selecting him -- last year was similar with Kenneth Faried. Remember the Blazers wined and dined Faried in Lake-O.

If there is anything to learn from these "smoke screens" the player you're using as the smoke screen -- that's the player you should pick.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

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Baylor forward Quincy Miller told Yahoo! Sports he has decided to enter the 2012 NBA draft.


Miller, 19, now joins a growing list of college freshman in the draft that includes Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Bradley Beal, Austin Rivers, Tony Wroten, Marquis Teague and Moe Harkless. The NBA deadline for early draft entrants is Sunday.