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MickZagger said:
I like Lillard. But, I just have a feeling he's gonna be a scoring guard like Monta Ellis, Lou Williams type. This team needs a distributor in a desperate way.
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What type of guard would you consider Steph Curry? Could Lillard be like him?
 
SecretAgentMan said:
What type of guard would you consider Steph Curry? Could Lillard be like him?
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Good shooter like Curry. I don't think anyone realized Curry's passing abilities until he got to the league. I'm not sure if Lillard could distribute like Curry.
 
MickZagger said:
Good shooter like Curry. I don't think anyone realized Curry's passing abilities until he got to the league. I'm not sure if Lillard could distribute like Curry.
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Yeah, Curry did a great job his last year in college of trying to show he can distribute as well as he could score. Made a concerted effort running the point. His first 2 years, he was strictly a 2 at Davidson, alongside Richards, who put up 7 and 8 assists per game. After he left, Curry switched to the 2, and was able to get almost 6 apg, while scoring 28.
 
MickZagger said:
I like Lillard. But, I just have a feeling he's gonna be a scoring guard like Monta Ellis, Lou Williams type. This team needs a distributor in a desperate way.
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Yeah they do need a distributor in the worst way, but they also need another scorer in the worst way. Is he that bad of of a distributor?
 
Speaking of Waiters, Chad Ford said scouts view him as one of the biggest upside scorers in the draft.

The first sleeper who sneaks into the lotto?

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Fez Hammersticks said:
Speaking of Waiters, Chad Ford said scouts view him as one of the biggest upside scorers in the draft.

The first sleeper who sneaks into the lotto?

[video=youtube;iPWOJrXJeqg]
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There weren't many highlights of him shooting, but it seemed like there was something funky about his release. Very athletic though. Dwyane Wade without a solid outside shot?
 
Natebishop3 said:
There weren't many highlights of him shooting, but it seemed like there was something funky about his release. Very athletic though. Dwyane Wade without a solid outside shot?
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Dwyane Wade is a really bad three point shooter and if I remember correctly he wasn't great at long two point jumpers at a young age either
 
Waiters kinda reminds me of Marshon Brooks. Ford broke out the Kobe comparison a month before the draft last year, and his stock shot up from being a no-name player to a potential borderline lotto guy.
 
Dion Waiters is currently forecast as a late-lottery pick, though that status could change depending on how he performs in pre-draft workouts.

"I can't wait for the real workouts to begin," said Waiters, who anticipates matching up against Jeremy Lamb, Austin Rivers and Terrence Ross once the Chicago combine is over. "I'm going to try to destroy them. I love to compete. If I have a weakness, it's that I'm too competitive. But I think once workouts come, that will be my biggest strength."

Waiters has drawn a lot of praise for his ability to score the ball.

"There are really only two potential superstars in this draft,” one NBA general manager said. “One is a sure thing -- freshman Anthony Davis. The other one is Waiters. He can be an electric scorer in the NBA. There's some Dwyane Wade in him."

Via ESPN.com


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...rkouts_Against_Lamb_Rivers_Ross#ixzz1vtpEZAqJ
 
^This is why he is nowhere close to Marshall and Lillard on all the credible mock drafts right?
 
HCP said:
^This is why he is nowhere close to Marshall and Lillard on all the credible mock drafts right?
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No. It's cause he is from Syracuse, and none of them live up to their hype. Even Melo doesn't make his team better. The last guy from the Cuse I can think of that added value to his team was Rony Seikely.....maybe Dave Bing?
 
You had some points until you brought up Carmelo...He is a good player....may be a knucklehead but a damm good player and certainly nowhere near garbage\overhyped....

I think Waiters is intriguing, but I like guys like Beal, Lamb, Rivers & Wroten more.....

I also think Will Barton is intriguing as well as a late 1st\early 2nd.
 
Blaze01 said:
You had some points until you brought up Carmelo...He is a good player....may be a knucklehead but a damm good player and certainly nowhere near garbage\overhyped....

I think Waiters is intriguing, but I like guys like Beal, Lamb, Rivers & Wroten more.....

I also think Will Barton is intriguing as well as a late 1st\early 2nd.
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Tell me where Carmelo has been that he's made better? No one from Syracuse has helped their teams the way they were supposed to since Rony
 
Name one team that wouldn't want Carmelo on thier team.....

even with all of his antics, every team in the NBA would gladly add him to thier roster....
 
Blaze01 said:
Name one team that wouldn't want Carmelo on thier team.....

even with all of his antics, every team in the NBA would gladly add him to thier roster....
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Tell me why you would want him on your team for 20 million a year. He doesn't help you win games, so why?
 
Blaze01 said:
Name one team that wouldn't want Carmelo on thier team.....

even with all of his antics, every team in the NBA would gladly add him to thier roster....
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Mediocre Man said:
Tell me why you would want him on your team for 20 million a year. He doesn't help you win games, so why?
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If the Blazers were given the option to trade Batum for Melo, would I want them to? Absolutely not.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Tell me where Carmelo has been that he's made better? No one from Syracuse has helped their teams the way they were supposed to since Rony
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Denver. NY. Syracuse. Denver was better when he was there than they had been the previous about 15 years. NY has finished above .500 the last 2 years with him there, something they hadn't done in a decade. Won a national title with Syracuse.
 
RR7 said:
Denver. NY. Syracuse. Denver was better when he was there than they had been the previous about 15 years. NY has finished above .500 the last 2 years with him there, something they hadn't done in a decade. Won a national title with Syracuse.
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He is a superstar that can't lead his team out of the first round? How is that making anyone better?
 
sorry, you're right, the .300 winning percentage teams he took over were better teams, he didn't make them any better.
 
RR7 said:
sorry, you're right, the .300 winning percentage teams he took over were better teams, he didn't make them any better.
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2012--NYK 29-26 with him, 7-4 without him
2011--NYK 14-13 with him, 28-26 before trading for him
2011--DEN 29-21 with him, 21-11 after trading him
2010--DEN 45-24 with him, 8-5 without him
2009--DEN 45-21 with him, 9-7 without him

Last 4 years combined, in seasons in which he played some or all of the season with a team, those teams are 162-105 (.607) with him, and 73-53 (.579) without him. Over an 82 game season, the difference between .607 and .579 is 2 games.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
2012--NYK 29-26 with him, 7-4 without him
2011--NYK 14-13 with him, 28-26 before trading for him
2011--DEN 29-21 with him, 21-11 after trading him
2010--DEN 45-24 with him, 8-5 without him
2009--DEN 45-21 with him, 9-7 without him

Last 4 years combined, in seasons in which he played some or all of the season with a team, those teams are 162-105 (.607) with him, and 73-53 (.579) without him. Over an 82 game season, the difference between .607 and .579 is 2 games.
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.207
.329
.488
.427
.280
.134
.256
.427
.500
.512

Those are the winning percentages of the Nuggets franchise the 10 years leading up to drafting Carmelo. .512, 10 years prior to drafting him was the best winning percentage they had. The lowest winning percentage a Denver Nugget team had since drafting Carmelo was .524 his rookie year. They were a better team after having drafted Carmelo than for an entire decade before they drafted him. But I guess he didn't make them better. A string of good luck randomly coincided with drafting him after a decade of bad luck.
 
This really is about Syracuse players as a whole. None of them are worth drafting where they are slotted
 
RR7 said:
.207
.329
.488
.427
.280
.134
.256
.427
.500
.512

Those are the winning percentages of the Nuggets franchise the 10 years leading up to drafting Carmelo. .512, 10 years prior to drafting him was the best winning percentage they had. The lowest winning percentage a Denver Nugget team had since drafting Carmelo was .524 his rookie year. They were a better team after having drafted Carmelo than for an entire decade before they drafted him. But I guess he didn't make them better. A string of good luck randomly coincided with drafting him after a decade of bad luck.
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03-04--Melo's first year in Denver, also happened to be Andre Miller's first year there, and Marcus Camby's first full year there (he started all of 9 games the year prior). So yes, it's easily arguable that they would have been a .500 team that year without 'Melo, who put up a 17.6 PER (third on the team behind Miller and Camby) as a rookie shooting 42.6% from the field with a 28.5% usage rate.

04-05--'Melo's Nuggets were 17-25, before they hired George Karl, the first legitimately good coach they'd had since Doug Moe. They went 32-8 the rest of the way.

I give more credit for the Nuggets becoming a respectable franchise to Miller/Camby, and then Karl than I do to 'Melo.
 
SecretAgentMan said:
Why?
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For the sake of argument I won't include Melo, but who was the last Syracuse player who lived up to his billing? Here is some info on Cuse players. Since 92, those wee the players drafted from Syracuse

92' - None
93' Conrad McRay
94' None
95' Lawrence Moutan
96' John Wallace
97' None
98' None
99' None
00 ' Eton Thomas, Jason Hart
01' Damone Brown
02' None
03' Carmelo Anthony
04' None
05' Hakim Warrick
06' None
07' Demitris Nichols
08' Donte Green
09' Jonny Flynn
10' Wesley Johnson, Andy Rautins
11' None
 
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