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Wow! Just finished reading all of your great posts. Thought there wold be more of a meltdown over Leonard.
 
LameR said:
Not gonna lie, I think the "too old" comment is garbage. There are far too many factors that go into a players performance at the collegiate level...coaching, system, teammates, injuries, roles, even academics (woah, you do that in college?) to stereotype that older players have less room for growth. The bottom line is they're all going from one lesser league to a greater league, and they're all going to have to adjust in some ways. They all have weaknesses as well. It's a matter of choosing players who's weaknesses you can live with (even if they don't improve by leaps and bounds), and whose strengths you can maximize. Granted, if a guy is 24, then I can see it, but being 22 instead of 20 is SO overrated as a negative.
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Guys typically aren't physically mature (or mentally) at 19 or whatever ... they might not be mentally more mature at 21 or 22, but their bodies are certainly closer to becoming finished products ... so yeah, it does matter; maybe it's not a death knell (for the older guy) or the most important thing but history has shown it matters.
 
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After a night reflection I realize I don't know Barnes from Lillard from Drummonds. So I'm ready to accept the draft picks, cheer them on and see how it all works out.

My opinion of Olshey remains the same and I see my feeling ares confirmed by Quick and Canzano (since I seem to be the only one concerned with the fact Olshey just spews out whatever he wants to say to make us buy into the Blazers).

Olshey may or may not be a good GM, but he is defintely a salesman. Canzano is buying what he is selling and Quick is just calling him out as a salesman. Personally I'm going to try to not read too deeply into anything Olshey says because I don't think he is sincere and will say anything as kind of a sales pitch.

I hope in learns that in Ptd, you don't need to sell the Blazers like it's snake oil. Fan are intelligent and will eventually recognize when are being sincere and when you are talking out of your ass. Olshey loves to talk . . . I hope the talk to Blazer fans turns more into substance and less into sales pitch as he settles into his job.

Time to go get a free agent. This is where Olshey's talent for talking should hopefully shine through.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Guys typically aren't physically mature (or mentally) at 19 or whatever ... they might not be mentally more mature at 21 or 22, but their bodies are certainly closer to becoming finished products ... so yeah, it does matter; maybe it's not a death knell or the most important thing but history has shown it matters.
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Only if you're focused on averages more than individuals. The Roy's and Wade's of the world have proved plenty of people wrong.
 
handiman said:
Only if you're focused on averages more than individuals. The Roy's and Wade's of the world have proved plenty of people wrong.
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I'm always focused on the rule versus the exception when I talk in generalities. Until we see how Lilliard actually pans out, he's still an unknown and is subject to that rule. That doesn't mean he can't become good or great and make leaps and bounds from where he is now physically, but he's got to prove it.
 
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Baltimore accent!
 
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Last night, the Philadelphia 76ers drafted small forward Moe Harkless. Today, Andre Iguodala sold his home in Philadelphia. Coincidence?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Last night, the Philadelphia 76ers drafted small forward Moe Harkless. Today, Andre Iguodala sold his home in Philadelphia. Coincidence?
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Last night, I drank and went to bed still drunk.

This morning, I woke up drunk.

Coincidence?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Addiction maybe?
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Maybe.

Dunno if you drink at all, but anyone who has, has over-done it.

Actually, I wasn't crazy or anything. At the end of the evening, I spent my time reading the draft analysis (and watching a replay of the SF Giants game), sipping some wine. Think I just drank too late into the evening.
 
"I've been Lillard's biggest fan all year and think he's a great fit in Portland. They really needed a point guard, and I think with time, he could be very good. He shoots the ball well, attacks the basket and plays very hard. He'll need to continue to develop his floor vision, but his work ethic is tremendous, and I think he'll find a way to succeed. I'm not as crazy about Leonard. I see the upside, and I see the need. But I think he's a bigger project than people think. I wouldn't expect dividends on this pick for several years, Blazers fans. Barton was a nice get in the second round. He's got a great midrange game, is a good athlete and has a scorer's mentality. I wouldn't be surprised if he, in a few years, supplanted Wes Matthews as the starting two guard in Portland."
 
Nikolokolus said:
Well ... I can think of two without even breaking a sweat. 1. Bad competition in the Big Sky and 2. he's kind of old ...

I'm happy to have him prove my doubts wrong.
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Don't understand "too old".

MJ - 21 when he was drafted. Pretty much every other legend around that time was older, as well.
 
OregonHuskerMan said:
Don't understand "too old".

MJ - 21 when he was drafted. Pretty much every other legend around that time was older, as well.
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These days (say, the last decade), MOST players with all-star ability are identified as such within a year or two of entering college. Four-year players tend to have lower career arcs (exceptions like Roy and Wade notwithstanding).
 
OregonHuskerMan said:
Don't understand "too old".

MJ - 21 when he was drafted. Pretty much every other legend around that time was older, as well.
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I said kind of old, not too old ... and MJ at 21 was far, far more of an elite prospect. Yes, he was closer to his ceiling at 21 than when he was 19, but that was considerably higher than Lilliard's at 21.
 
Just out of curiosity, anyone with espn insider know what grad Chad Ford gave Portland? I'd give a B.
 
PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS | GRADE: B+
Round 1: Damian Lillard (6), Meyers Leonard (11)

Round 2: Will Barton (40)

Analysis: I have been Lillard's biggest fan all year and think he's a great fit in Portland. They really needed a point guard, and I think with time he could be very good. He shoots the ball well, attacks the basket and plays very hard. He'll need to continue to develop his floor vision, but his work ethic is tremendous, and I think he'll find a way to succeed.

I'm not as crazy about Leonard. I see the upside, and I see the need. But I think he's a bigger project than people think. I wouldn't expect dividends on this pick for several years, Blazers fans. Barton was a nice get in the second round. He has a great midrange game, is a good athlete and has a scorer's mentality. I wouldn't be surprised if, in a few years, he supplanted Wes Matthews as the starting 2-guard in Portland.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Nice read on Lillard. Hot off the presses:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...ick-lillard-most-unlikely-story-of-2012-draft
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:cheers:

"He's got impeccable character and impeccable values, and those were things that came from his parents," Rahe said. "He's got an old soul," Rahe, who openly wept the day Lillard left campus, said. "He believes in old, traditional values. He'd fit right in with those old NBA guys. It seems like the new wave of guys is me-me-me, and what are you going to do for me and what's in it for me and he's the opposite."
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Brandon Roy esque personality.

PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS | GRADE: A+

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/06/29/nba-draft-grades/index.html
 
Nikolokolus said:
I'm always focused on the rule versus the exception when I talk in generalities. Until we see how Lilliard actually pans out, he's still an unknown and is subject to that rule. That doesn't mean he can't become good or great and make leaps and bounds from where he is now physically, but he's got to prove it.
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The only problem is that it's not a rule. It's a misconception. There are too many 21+ guys that get better and too many under 21 guys that don't get better for it to be a rule.
 
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