Zombie 2012 NBA Draft

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PtldPlatypus said:
These days (say, the last decade), MOST players with all-star ability are identified as such within a year or two of entering college. Four-year players tend to have lower career arcs (exceptions like Roy and Wade notwithstanding).
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many do but for a PG to actually get some extra time to mature I think is fine, especially as he seems somewhat of a late bloomer. There are very few Roses that can come in and be so successful so soon, most PG's take time, I think Lilard has a good head start on most PG's comin out of college after one or two years. He's still only 22 and has good athletic ability and is already an excellent shooter.
 
Quick said the Blazers would have passed on Drummoned if he were there at #11.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Quick said the Blazers would have passed on Drummoned if he were there at #11.
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Wow. His workout/interview must have been absolutely terrible.

Or management felt that he was identical to Thabeet in every possible way, and thus, after a half-season of Thabeet, realized not to go down that path.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
The only problem is that it's not a rule. It's a misconception. There are too many 21+ guys that get better and too many under 21 guys that don't get better for it to be a rule.
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Maybe we're disagreeing on what is meant by, "as a rule?" That phrase isn't iron-clad, it just means younger guys typically have more headroom.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Maybe we're disagreeing on what is meant by, "as a rule?" That phrase isn't iron-clad, it just means younger guys typically have more headroom.
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The thing is, it's a trend, not a rule. Trends are useful for averages, typical situations, etc. An individual player has no reason to fit that mold, however, so the trend is just one small piece of the puzzle. Plenty of players have come into the league at ~22 and had lots of improvement left in them He'll just be hitting his probably peak years at the end of his rookie deal.
 
Conventional wisdom a month before the draft was that the top 6 picks of the draft were well known. I think GMs figured out that that conventional wisdom was wrong. This has happened many times before.
 
handiman said:
The thing is, it's a trend, not a rule. Trends are useful for averages, typical situations, etc. An individual player has no reason to fit that mold, however, so the trend is just one small piece of the puzzle. Plenty of players have come into the league at ~22 and had lots of improvement left in them He'll just be hitting his probably peak years at the end of his rookie deal.
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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes ... the phrase, "as a rule" is an idiom, it's doesn't literally mean an unbreakable law of nature, it's common language used to describe the very thing you are talking about -- trends and tendencies.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes ... the phrase, "as a rule" is an idiom, it's doesn't literally mean an unbreakable law of nature, it's common language used to describe the very thing you are talking about -- trends and tendencies.
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As a rule is just too strong of a phrase for this trend. Nobody implied they think it means it's an unreadable law of nature. It just makes it seem like its extremely unlikely, which I think is incorrect.
 
The Hickory-High system closest comparison to our draftees:

Damian Lillard: Steph Curry

Meyers Leonard: Taj Gibson

Will Barton: Wesley Johnson


A 7'1" Taj Gibson would be an absolute monster.
 
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Fez Hammersticks said:
The Hickory-High system closest comparison to our draftees:

Damian Lillard: Steph Curry

Meyers Leonard: Taj Gibson

Will Barton: Wesley Johnson


A 7'1" Taj Gibson would be an absolute monster.
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As would a Steph Curry that's big enough to not get pushed around.
 
I'm not sure I really like the Steph Curry comparison.

90% of Curry's shot attempts are jump shots. Bleh.

I think Lillard will be better at attacking/finishing at the basket. He's not a skinny fuck like Curry.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
So, Fez... For the record, do you like the draft? I'm sure you posted this, but I probably missed it in the thousands of posts.
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I like the Leonard pick. I can live with the Lillard pick considering Waiters went in the top-5. Though, I don't think he was the BPA (best prospect available) at #6 (Barnes).
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
I like the Leonard pick. I can live with the Lillard pick considering Waiters went in the top-5. Though, I don't think he was the BPA (best prospect available) at #6 (Barnes).
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So by "living" with the Lillard pick... Does that mean you think he'll be a quality starter?

If not... I wouldn't "live" with the pick.
 
Yeah.

I think he'd do well with a D'Antoni type of tempo. The system will be very important in his development.

Leonard in a heavy P&R offense, something D'Antoni specializes in, would put his development on the fast track.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Yeah.

I think he'd do well with a D'Antoni type of tempo. The system will be very important in his development.

Leonard in a heavy P&R offense, something D'Antoni specializes in, would put his development on the fast track.
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Lillard's pick and roll numbers from college were also pretty good, I think him and Leonard could thrive together
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Lillard's pick and roll numbers from college were also pretty good, I think him and Leonard could thrive together
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That, and LMA does well here, and those cuts to the hoop to dunk lob passes. Makes me think management may have a small clue.
 
Mediocre Man said:
What the fuck system is that?
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The Hickory-High system is a common measure of intoxication. When you are so high that chanting "Hickory Dickory Dock, the mouse ran up the clock" repeatedly seems like fun, you've reached Hickory-High.

barfo
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Haynes/csnnw:

http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingb...-depth-interview=1&blockID=733312&feedID=5212
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[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]That meal was the most important meal of Lillard's life.[/FONT][/FONT] “[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]I think Mr. Allen is a good guy. He's quiet, but he got straight to the point asking me questions like what I would do in certain situations,” Lillard said. “I think I answered his questions honestly and promptly and I think he liked what he heard. His knowledge of the game surprised me and it'll be great playing for an owner like that.”[/FONT][/FONT]
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So we now know this was Allen's pick for a Franchise Player.

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]I want everyone in Portland to know that when things are going bad, I will remain calm and search for solutions to gets us out of certain predicaments,” Lillard said. “That's what a point guard does and that's what leaders do.”[/FONT][/FONT]
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Sure Barnes' with his personality will make a great leader as well, but when presented with two equal prospects of the same tier, the Blazers chose based on need and got their PGOTF
 
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