2013 Official NBA Off-season Movement & Rumors (Merged threads)

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I would do that for both teams. Clips get an unbelievable duo both in their primes at the two most important positions, and LA doesn't lose value for Dwight if he chose to leave in free agency.

IMO it's HOU if there is any credence at all to this, I'd love that becausse Asik then is very likely available

If they're planning on teams outside of LA, I'd put ATL higher than HOU on the list of potential destinations.
 
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IMO it's HOU if there is any credence at all to this, I'd love that because Asik then is very likely available

This Houston Blogger has worked out all the angles and essentially the only way they get both is if either LA team takes back Lin and Asik in sign-and-trade.

The more plausible scenario would be the one that saw the team signing one of the two free agents outright and then trading Asik and Lin in a sign&trade for the other. The sign&trade scenario is more doable because, due to the rules, outgoing and incoming salary does not need to be matched dollar for dollar, but rather only need be within 125% (or 150% for non-tax paying teams). The Rockets wouldn’t need to gut the entire team to get Paul his money.
The problem here, as I noted above, is getting one of the Los Angeles teams to agree to help. Let’s assume the Rockets signed Paul outright with their cap space. While some have argued that Lin and Asik would help the Lakers rebuild, I just don’t see it that way. If I’m Mitch Kupchak, and I’m losing Howard, I’d rather start fresh in free agency next season rather than saddle myself with $17million incoming. I’d almost go so far as to say that the Laker scenario has no chance of happening.
Your better bet is the opposite case: signing Howard outright and dangling Lin and Asik to the Clippers. I suppose one can envision the Clippers taking the two Rockets and then, with DeAndre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe, sorting their roster out on the trade market. But with Donald Sterling’s documented frugality, I don’t know if it is likely.

I think if I were the Clippers I would hastily do the Boston deal and settle for Kevin Garnett and Doc Rivers.
 
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If they're planning on teams outside of LA, I'd put ATL higher than HOU on the list of potential destinations.

Atlanta doesn't have as much cap room as they've implied without some SERIOUS work:

Committed salary for 2013/14: $22,497,415 (view full forecast)

Projected cap space: At most, $35,504,580, but not really.


If Atlanta renounce (or lose) Josh Smith, and renounce their remaining free agents (Kyle Korver, Devin Harris, Zaza Pachulia, Johan Petro, Ivan Johnson, Jeff Teague, Dahntay Jones, Hilton Armstrong, Erick Dampier, Etan Thomas, Randolph Morris and Anthony Tolliver), waive DeShawn Stevenson ($2,240,450, fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date), Shelvin Mack ($884,293, fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date) and Mike Scott ($788,872, fully unguaranteed until August 15th, thereafter $100,000 guaranteed) and sell or renounce their first round draft picks (#17 and #18, cap holds of $1,348,200 and $1,280,800), they will have a cap number of $22,995,420 (the committed salary plus nine minimum salary roster charges of $490,180 for having less than twelve things on the cap).

(If you want to get really absurd, they could even amnesty Al Horford. Hypotheticals are fun.)

This is, however, a maximum amount. And it's not a realistic one. Smith's cap hold will be equal to the maximum amount for a nine year veteran, and, while this amount will not be known until the new salary cap figure is determined, a slight increase in the cap will mean a slight increase in the $16,402,500 nine year veteran maximum amount that this year's cap produced. So unless he is renounced, or until he is signed elsewhere, that's a $16.5 million cap hold cutting into that $35.5 million figure. The same is true of Teague's $6,082,692 cap hold, and the negligible amounts saved by trading the picks, not giving Johnson his $1,250,854 qualifying offer, and waiving Scott, are also not likely to happen. In a scenario where they are all retained, then, Atlanta's cap situation then looks like this:


Josh Smith: $16,500,000 (circa, cap hold)
Al Horford: $12,000,000
Jeff Teague: $6,082,692 (cap hold)
Lou Williams: $5,225,000
#17 pick): $1,348,200
#18 pick: $1,280,800
Ivan Johnson: $1,250,854 (cap hold & qualifying offer)
John Jenkins: $1,258,800
Mike Scott: $788,872
Jeremy Tyler: $100,000 (waived)
Roster charge (rookie minimum cap hold for not having 12 things on the cap, one for each number under - Tyler doesn't count): $490,180
Roster charge: $490,180
Roster charge: $490,180


Total: $47,305,758 = $11,194,242 in cap room

Even this scenario assumes the renouncements of Korver and Pachulia, quality role players who won't be easily replaced. Yet such is the reality of the gamble of cap space. Atlanta can and likely will have eight figures worth of cap space, and they could have an awful lot more than that should Smith move on. But it's a choice.

(Note: "things on the cap" constitute players under contract, free agents not under contract who have cap holds, and the cap holds of unsigned first round picks. Unsigned second round picks do not have cap holds and thus do not count for anything, and nor do waived players.)
 
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I would do that for both teams. Clips get an unbelievable duo both in their primes at the two most important positions, and LA doesn't lose value for Dwight if he chose to leave in free agency.



If they're planning on teams outside of LA, I'd put ATL higher than HOU on the list of potential destinations.

True Atlanta has the money and the cap space, and Howard is from Atlanta and Cp3 is from the south....... but Howard just doesn't want to play there. Colin Cowherd just reiterated that on ESPN radio. For what ever reason.

Houston is the front runner if he leaves LA. Maybe NJ if the Lakers would take a trade and Howard would take a cut in pay.
 
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True Atlanta has the money and the cap space, and Howard is from Atlanta and Cp3 is from the south....... but Howard just doesn't want to play there. Colin Cowherd just reiterated that on ESPN radio. For what ever reason.

Howard strikes me as the kind of guy that doesn't want the pressure of playing at home.
 
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Houston is the front runner if he leaves LA. Maybe NJ if the Lakers would take a trade and Howard would take a cut in pay.

Does Howard know Jason Kidd? I thought Howard was buds with Deron, but now he's texting Chris Paul? Where's the love?
 
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Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 12m
Source: Denver interviewing Brian Shaw today, Lionel Hollins Saturday
 
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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....happen/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Broussard says Atlanta can do it.

The Atlanta Hawks could make it happen. Atlanta, which is Howard’s hometown, has the cap room to sign both players to maximum-salaried contracts.

Howard is not particularly fond of the idea of returning to Atlanta, but he would do so to team up with Paul, the sources said.

Actually, no Atlanta does not. Teams have a lot less money to spend than you think because of cap holds and other restrictions than people think..

Atlanta could have up to $35 million in cap space, which is not enough to give max deals to both players, but maybe you could convince them both to take paycuts (ala Miami). But to get that $35 million they have to renounce/let sign elsewhere Josh Smith (he’s gone, but until he signs elsewhere there is a cap hold on the Hawks salary space). Then they have to renounce every other free agent on their roster — Kyle Korver, Devin Harris, Zaza Pachulia, Johan Petro, Ivan Johnson, Jeff Teague, Dahntay Jones, Hilton Armstrong, Erick Dampier, Etan Thomas, Randolph Morris and Anthony Tolliver. Then they have to waive DeShawn Stevenson, Shelvin Mack and Mike Scott. Or they could amnesty Al Horford.

You really think Danny Ferry is going to play that game?

Besides, Chris Paul isn’t leaving the Clippers. So for Howard to team up with CP3 all you have to do is convince Lakers management to do a sign-and-trade that sends Howard to the Clippers. Good luck with that. And by the way, the Lakers can’t do a sign-and-trade unless it is one that brings them down to a salary level below the tax apron (roughly $76 million) so a third team that wants to soak up a lot of salary and bad contracts has to be brought in.

So good luck with that.
 
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Chris Broussard said:
Besides, Chris Paul isn’t leaving the Clippers. So for Howard to team up with CP3 all you have to do is convince Lakers management to do a sign-and-trade that sends Howard to the Clippers. Good luck with that. And by the way, the Lakers can’t do a sign-and-trade unless it is one that brings them down to a salary level below the tax apron (roughly $76 million) so a third team that wants to soak up a lot of salary and bad contracts has to be brought in.

So good luck with that.

The Asik to Portland dream lives!
 
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Yes. Redick/Mayo are two offensive guys who play zero defense. I guess theoretically, draft pick and Tony Allen and McGee would be the best.


You understand the point then....that it would be better to have the #10 and the cap space to get an upgrade at a position via FA, rather than just get Gortat?

I don't have a problem with Tony Allen per se, good defender but not much else, not sure he helps POR bench scoring much....Don't see McGee happening...
 
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Eric Pincus ‏@EricPincus 2m
I wrote last year when Howard was being shopped - Clippers have no interest in trading Griffin for Dwight - nil/none/zip/zero
 
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You understand the point then....that it would be better to have the #10 and the cap space to get an upgrade at a position via FA, rather than just get Gortat?

I don't have a problem with Tony Allen per se, good defender but not much else, not sure he helps POR bench scoring much....Don't see McGee happening...

Portland doesn't need scoring. It need top 5-10 player in the league and defensive studs/ Minus Portland trading for or signing an all NBA type player, we need to focus on defense and nothing else
 
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I don't think Detroit has any shot. Why would those two want to go play in shitty Detroit? That's like choosing to go play in a third world country.
 
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I don't think Detroit has any shot. Why would those two want to go play in shitty Detroit? That's like choosing to go play in a third world country.

Maybe because Detroit has some nice young pieces they would be able to keep in Kyle Singler/Drummond(who the article thinks would be traded for a wing)/Monroe/this years pick.
 
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Maybe because Detroit has some nice young pieces they would be able to keep in Kyle Singler/Drummond(who the article thinks would be traded for a wing)/Monroe/this years pick.

Third. World. Country.
 
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I don't think Detroit has any shot. Why would those two want to go play in shitty Detroit? That's like choosing to go play in a third world country.

Sigh. Do we have to go over this again?
1. It's not Detroit. It's Auburn Hills. Affluent suburb.
2. Ever seen Gross Pointe Blank? There's enormous wealth and luxury in the suburbs of Detroit. (Also true in a third world country, I suppose.)
3. For somebody as rich as an NBA player, they basically live wherever they want. You could live in LA and play in Detroit no problem.
4. Believe it or not, Michigan is the vacation destination for most of the Midwest. It has more coastline than any state other than Alaska and it has "the most beautiful place in America" (was it Good Morning America voted it that?) in the Sleeping Bear Dunes (the largest sand dunes in the world outside of the Sahara).
5. If you think it's all about what Young Black Men want to do, well, there're a lot of them in Detroit.

Having said that, I don't see this happening, to be frank. It's just Dwight Howard being a flake again.
 
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Sigh. Do we have to go over this again?
1. It's not Detroit. It's Auburn Hills. Affluent suburb.
2. Ever seen Gross Pointe Blank? There's enormous wealth and luxury in the suburbs of Detroit. (Also true in a third world country, I suppose.)
3. For somebody as rich as an NBA player, they basically live wherever they want. You could live in LA and play in Detroit no problem.
4. Believe it or not, Michigan is the vacation destination for most of the Midwest. It has more coastline than any state other than Alaska and it has "the most beautiful place in America" (was it Good Morning America voted it that?) in the Sleeping Bear Dunes (the largest sand dunes in the world outside of the Sahara).

Having said that, I don't see this happening, to be frank. It's just Dwight Howard being a flake again.

Again? When did we go over it the first time?
 
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Andre Iguodala just opted out
 
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 9m
Y! Sources: Denver's Andre Iguodala has decided to opt-out of final year of contract and will enter free agency. http://tinyurl.com/k7oefuz

Ooops just MM beat me to it
 
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I still think he is nuts. Although he will probably break even. He gave up 16 million for next year and will probably end up with a new 4 yr 40 million contract.

If he played next year at 16 and signed a new contract next summer he may have gotten a 3 year /24 million contract. So I bet it ends up being a wash.

I just don't think anyone will pay him over 10 mil per season.
 
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http://fansided.com/2013/06/14/minn...-j-j-barea-or-luke-ridnour-by-2013-nba-draft/

The Minnesota Timberwolves organization is apparently unhappy with their backcourt and come June 27th, the night of the 2013 NBA Draft, some changes are going to be made – this according to a report from the Star Tribune.

The T’Wolves have made no secrets about their desire to draft Indiana guard Victor Oladipo and are more than willing to move up to do so. However, drafting Oladipo would already add to a roster full of guards so team president Flip Saunders has a plan to make additional room – trade either Luke Ridnour or J.J. Barea and do so quickly.

…the Wolves have limited assets to swing such a deal, namely third-year forward Derrick Williams, second-year guard Alexey Shved and the ninth and/or 26th picks in the draft.
They also likely will trade one of two veteran guards —Luke Ridnour and J.J. Barea —by draft night.
The Wolves’ biggest need is a traditionally sized shooting guard and Saunders has stated more than once that he wants — and expects — to get with that ninth pick a player who can help his team next season.
 
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I still think he is nuts. Although he will probably break even. He gave up 16 million for next year and will probably end up with a new 4 yr 40 million contract.

If he played next year at 16 and signed a new contract next summer he may have gotten a 3 year /24 million contract. So I bet it ends up being a wash.

I just don't think anyone will pay him over 10 mil per season.

Unfortunately, a lot of teams have cap room this offseason - which means it may be a bidding war.

I can see 12 mill.
 
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Seems Kobe Bryant started a German trend ... 'cause NBA star Jermaine O'Neal took Kobe's lead and flew out to Germany for a special medical procedure that ain't exactly legal in the U.S. of A.. 34-year-old O'Neal -- a 6-time NBA All-Star -- just posted a photo standing next to famed German surgeon Dr. Peter Wehling along with the caption, "Just finished up my last day of a week long of treatments out here in germany with the great Dr Wehling!" There's only one reason O'Neal would go to Germany -- Regenokine ... a special procedure involving the manipulation of red blood cells that's believed to accelerate the body's healing process. TMZ.com
Read more at http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#ydpkQL6G0x7CK6Qs.99

OK Jermaine should be good for a year. Sign him up!
 

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