Event 2017 NBA draft thread - April 2017 edition

[JDC]

Watching more Terrance Ferguson today and I'm still not seeing it.

Long but small frame keeps him at the 2 unless he puts on SERIOUS bulk and I like my 2's to have more feel/ball skills. Also think he's overrated athletically. Jumps high and has pretty quick feet defensively, but I think the ball slows him down and doesn't look great running in the open court. Still young and I think he has a good shot to be at least an average shooter and I like that he competes defensively.

Also think deciding to play in the NBL (very physical league) was a good move for preparing him for the next level as far as getting a sense for the role he'll play early on in his career and the areas where he needs to develop. Seems like a smart, competitive kid from all indications which is nice.

There'd be worse outcomes with our pick, but his long term potential doesn't really excite me and for sure wouldn't be someone I'd give up significant assets to trade up for.

 

[dviss1]

The Ducks' Tyler Dorsey is entering the draft. Anyone think he cracks the first round?

I saw that. I think it's a mistake. He was gonna be the man at Oregon next year.

 

[JDC]

I saw that. I think it's a mistake. He was gonna be the man at Oregon next year.

Yeah but a guy with his ceiling, which I think is pretty limited considering size/athleticism/skillset, I think you leave if you have the opportunity to secure a guaranteed 1st rd contract.

 

[e_blazer]

I saw that. I think it's a mistake. He was gonna be the man at Oregon next year.

That was my thought too. Maybe his agent has some assurances that teams are interested in him as a first round pick. Otherwise, coming out this year is likely to cost him some serious dollars. I see him as Allen Crabbe 2.0 in terms of a pick.

 

[dviss1]

I look forward to bumping this thread once Hartenstein is in the league.

Soft my ass.

Ever see him play live? It's much different than watching highlight tapes. I'll admit This guy looks like a stud:



But one thing you got to keep in mind is who he's playing against. When he went against those big, strong, long USA kids, he looked shook, stayed out on the perimeter, and was getting handled inside.

 

[dviss1]

Yeah but a guy with his ceiling, which I think is pretty limited considering size/athleticism/skillset, I think you leave if you have the opportunity to secure a guaranteed 1st rd contract.

It did Buddy good. Dorsey could've averaged 20 per next season.

 

[PDXFonz]

Ever see him play live? It's much different than watching highlight tapes. I'll admit This guy looks like a stud:



But one thing you got to keep in mind is who he's playing against. When he went against those big, strong, long USA kids, he looked shook, stayed out on the perimeter, and was getting handled inside.

Exactly.

People need to ask themselves, "Have I ever seen a highlight that makes someone look bad?"

 

[Scalma]

I have seen Hartenstein live, I'm European, and travel there often. Basketball is always on tv and I've seen him play in both eurobasket and the u18 championships last year. I would say I'm actually more familiar with European prospects than I am with college since college ball doesn't interest me as much.

 

[Scalma]

And obviously highlight videos don't mean anything, don't insult my intelligence.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Zach Collins officially declared for the draft. He will be gone before we pick (unless we move up) though.

 

[Scalma]

Watching more Terrance Ferguson today and I'm still not seeing it.

Long but small frame keeps him at the 2 unless he puts on SERIOUS bulk and I like my 2's to have more feel/ball skills. Also think he's overrated athletically. Jumps high and has pretty quick feet defensively, but I think the ball slows him down and doesn't look great running in the open court. Still young and I think he has a good shot to be at least an average shooter and I like that he competes defensively.

Also think deciding to play in the NBL (very physical league) was a good move for preparing him for the next level as far as getting a sense for the role he'll play early on in his career and the areas where he needs to develop. Seems like a smart, competitive kid from all indications which is nice.

There'd be worse outcomes with our pick, but his long term potential doesn't really excite me and for sure wouldn't be someone I'd give up significant assets to trade up for.

Just curious, did you find any game tape on him, and if so, can you link it?

 

[Sinobas]

I like Josh Hart. He reminds me a bit of Brandon Roy. Plays with such good control, good ball handling and mid range game.

 

[Sinobas]

I have seen Hartenstein live, I'm European, and travel there often. Basketball is always on tv and I've seen him play in both eurobasket and the u18 championships last year. I would say I'm actually more familiar with European prospects than I am with college since college ball doesn't interest me as much.

What's your take on him then?

 

[Scalma]

What's your take on him then?

I like his projectability. Big fan. A 7 footer that can create for himself and others. I see someone else said on here he looked scared at the hoop summit. I'd like specific examples of that because that's not what I saw at all, not then, and not in Europe against guys much more physically mature.

 

[dviss1]

And obviously highlight videos don't mean anything, don't insult my intelligence.

Not trying to. Highlights were all I saw until The Summit. He was garbage against athletic strong players. He played hesitantly, and avoided contact. He was one of the players I went there to see. I came away disappointed.

 

[Scalma]

Since we're talking about euros, another One kinda flying under the radar imo is Kostja Mushidi. German. 18 years old. He's 6'5 but his wingspan is 7" and good shooter so that would appeal to stotts. Big body too.

I won't post a highlight video, but here's an interview

 

[MickZagger]

Zach Collins officially declared for the draft. He will be gone before we pick (unless we move up) though.

We have to seriously look at moving up to pick him.

 

[BonesJones]

Collins would be the perfect backup C to Nurkic, with the potential to be more.

Instead of reaching for (put 2nd round prospect here) with the CLE pick, why dont we trade it down for 2 PHI 2nds? They have 4, and some of this prospects y'all are naming will fall.

 

[dviss1]

Unless he's a lotto pick he should come out next year IMO.

 

[JDC]

Just curious, did you find any game tape on him, and if so, can you link it?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Unless he's a lotto pick he should come out next year IMO.

Zach Collins? Would love him to stay but he is gone. Will be picked somewhere between 9th and 13th imo.

 

[JDC]

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Damn. I wanted him in this draft--not because I wanted the Blazers to take him, but because I wanted some other team to overrate him, draft him too high, and allow a better player to fall to us. This just makes it that much more likely that Jackson and Anunoby are gone before our first pick.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Unless he's a lotto pick he should come out next year IMO.

If you're talking about Collins, he's bascially a lock for the lottery.

Tyler Dorsey, however--now that's a guy who should have stayed in school for another year.

 

[JDC]

Damn. I wanted him in this draft--not because I wanted the Blazers to take him, but because I wanted some other team to overrate him, draft him too high, and allow a better player to fall to us. This just makes it that much more likely that Jackson and Anunoby are gone before our first pick.

If OG and Justin Jackson are indeed gone a I'd go....

Our Pick: Ike Anigbogou

• Patton would be the higher upside pick, but I like Ike's D/reb potential and I think his size/strength gets him on the floor earlier.

Mem Pick: Donovan Mitchell

• Would give us a BOS like 3 guard trio + a skill set we don't currently have.

Cle Pick: Jeanne/Motley/Giles

• Boom or bust here. Motley probably the least so of the group and has a chance to play right away. Giles is probably the most likely so be a straight 5.

EDIT:I'm not even a big fan either OG or Justin Jackson, but I understand the value in drafting rotation level wings (in general, and considering our own cap sheet). Would be more comfortable taking one of them w/ the Mem Pick--with Jackson being the more likely of the two to fall imo.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If OG and Justin Jackson are indeed gone I'd go....

Our Pick: Ike Anigbogou

• Patton would be the higher upside pick, but I like Ike's D/reb potential and I think his size/strength gets him on the floor earlier.

Mem Pick: Donovan Mitchell

• Would give us a BOS like 3 guard trio + gives us a skillset we don't currently have.

Cle Pick: Jeanne/Motley/Giles

• Boom or bust here. Motley probably the least so of the group and has a chance to play right away. Giles is probably the most likely so be a relegated to being a straight 5.

I'm all aboard the Ojeleye bandwagon, but even moreso if we don't get a wing with our first pick. In fact, I'd probably hope we trade 16 for a couple later picks (Orlando's 25 & 33, perhaps, or Utah's 23/30)

Although hes projected much lower, I'd rather Sumner over Mitchell. Bigger, longer, better defender, though admittedly a far inferior shooter. Then again, I may be somewhat biased against Mitchell simply because I never understood the pub/hype Louisville got all year, so I may be projecting that onto him.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Argh--too many late-first/second round guys I like! If the above played out (OG/JJ gone so we trade down) and we end up with something like Ojeleye, Giles, Motley, and Sumner, I would probably be pretty happy with that. And then I see Swanigan, and Odebayo, and Lesort, and Jeanne, and Bryant, and I think that I'm probably going to be pretty happy with whatever Olshey decides on.

I think it's easier to list the guys I don't want down in that range. Mitchell, Lydon, Leaf, Evans, Kennard...not really interested in any of them. I'd probably be OK with most of the rest of that section. It's a nice place to be in, really. I'm already excited for next season, and this one hasn't even finished yet.

 

[JDC]

I'm all aboard the Ojeleye bandwagon, but even moreso if we don't get a wing with our first pick. In fact, I'd probably hope we trade 16 for a couple later picks (Orlando's 25 & 33, perhaps, or Utah's 23/30)

Although hes projected much lower, I'd rather Sumner over Mitchell. Bigger, longer, better defender, though admittedly a far inferior shooter. Then again, I may be somewhat biased against Mitchell simply because I never understood the pub/hype Louisville got all year, so I may be projecting that onto him.

Fair argument for Sumner over Mitchell although the ACL tear kinda scares me off, especially considering how much of his potential is based on his quickness and explosion. I'd take PJ Dozier over both if he declares fwiw.

Watched Semi some about a month ago and I'm not sure he's a three. Pretty stiff/rigid/upright guarding on the perimeter. He's also not great a interior defender. I question his shooting too. He's fine when he has space but I'm not sure I'm sold on him being even an average here w/ limited shooting versatility.

My first exposure to him was that DX breakdown a while back and thought he could be a Jae Crowder type, but that idea quickly faded. I think he's clearly a 4.

 

[JDC]

Argh--too many late-first/second round guys I like! If the above played out (OG/JJ gone so we trade down) and we end up with something like Ojeleye, Giles, Motley, and Sumner, I would probably be pretty happy with that. And then I see Swanigan, and Odebayo, and Lesort, and Jeanne, and Bryant, and I think that I'm probably going to be pretty happy with whatever Olshey decides on.

I think it's easier to list the guys I don't want down in that range. Mitchell, Lydon, Leaf, Evans, Kennard...not really interested in any of them. I'd probably be OK with most of the rest of that section. It's a nice place to be in, really. I'm already excited for next season, and this one hasn't even finished yet.

I agree that he's not a good fit for us, but I actually really like Jawun Evans. He's not Chris Paul, but I think he could be a discount version and has a good chance to be a starting pg. I agree with everyone else but Mitchell--though I understand the size concerns.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I wonder what the 2 USC sophomores do. Boatright and Chimezie Metu. Hopefully they will enter and push a couple of players down to us. Boatright was injured most of this year but looked good his freshman year. And Chimezie Metu may still be a little raw but has dramtically improved. He is unbelievably athletic and someone will take a chance on him in the first round. The more the better, even if we don't like them for the Blazers.