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TorturedBlazerFan said:
Lot better than Canzano...
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lol, yeah, but to me that's like saying brussel sprouts are better than spinach of which I don't like either one. I do like Quick better than Canzano though but just don't see him as a reliable source.
 
Gary Trent jr interviews with Blazers at combine and has scheduled a workout with the Blazers in June. Lonnie Walker out of Miami also interviewed with Blazers but won't workout for the team as his agent doesn't expect him to fall to 24.
 
CupWizier said:
Gary Trent jr interviews with Blazers at combine and has scheduled a workout with the Blazers in June. Lonnie Walker out of Miami also interviewed with Blazers but won't workout for the team as his agent doesn't expect him to fall to 24.
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I'd like Walker.. hell no to Trent.
 
Looks like Kevin Huerter is a lock to go 1st round after an impressive showing at the combine.

Not surprised. One of the few non-lottery talents that has the combo of positional size, IQ and potential 2-way impact. And as much as I hate on Hutch, he also fits into this category. Just feel Kevin's success at a younger age plus clearer role translation puts him ahead.
 
Maybe I took the Olshey interview wrong but that Quick thing might be right because to me it sounds like we might not even be keeping the pick and might be trading it for more immediate playoff help.
 
santeesioux said:
Maybe I took the Olshey interview wrong but that Quick thing might be right because to me it sounds like we might not even be keeping the pick and might be trading it for more immediate playoff help.
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Yea that’s the feeling I got too. Seems like they are more likely to use the pick in a deal than they are drafting late in the first rd of a top heavy draft.

Pressures been put on and I think Olshey has been told to bring in some experienced guys that can play real minutes now.
 
santeesioux said:
Maybe I took the Olshey interview wrong but that Quick thing might be right because to me it sounds like we might not even be keeping the pick and might be trading it for more immediate playoff help.
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Could happen, but I think the biggest thing I took from it was that Ed Davis is most likely done as a Blazer.

Had an inkling, but the comments about getting Zach playing around the basket more solidify it for me.
 
JDC said:
Could happen, but I think the biggest thing I took from it was that Ed Davis is most likely done as a Blazer.

Had an inkling, but the comments about getting Zach playing around the basket more solidify it for me.
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So you think his comments mean that Zach is moving to back up center with few minutes at PF? I missed that
 
It'd be really tempting to do that and trade CJ for as high a pick as you could.
 
JDC said:
Looks like Kevin Huerter is a lock to go 1st round after an impressive showing at the combine.

Not surprised. One of the few non-lottery talents that has the combo of positional size, IQ and potential 2-way impact. And as much as I hate on Hutch, he also fits into this category. Just feel Kevin's success at a younger age plus clearer role translation puts him ahead.
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Age is taken too much into account. That's been shown the past couple years.
 
Next year I wouldn't mind taking Mike Daum with a late 1st

 
BonesJones said:
Age is taken too much into account. That's been shown the past couple years.
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Young players bust all the time, but so does over half of every draft.

Success at a young age still has the highest correlation to NBA success, and if you look at the upperclassman that have greatly outperformed their draft slot, nearly all were great college players as freshman or sophomores.

The tools and work ethic are there and there's an exception to every rule, but Hutchison's growth curve has very rarely indicated great potential in the NBA. That's all I'm saying.
 
JDC said:
Young players bust all the time, but so does over half of every draft.

Success at a young age still has the highest correlation to NBA success, and if you look at the upperclassman that have greatly outperformed their draft slot, nearly all were great college players as freshman or sophomores.

The tools and work ethic are there and there's an exception to every rule, but Hutchison's growth curve has very rarely indicated great potential in the NBA. That's all I'm saying.
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How is most steals being great players as freshmen or sophomores a knock against Hutchison? That's just shows how hard he's worked to turn himself into a draft prospect. If we were drafting players based off what they were as freshmen or sophomores, we wouldn't have taken Damian Lillard at 6th overall.

In most scenarios, age got used against them anyway. It's the same with Hutchison. Hutch has 5 more years of improvement in him.. he's 22, not 27... he has a better foundation than 19 year olds above him in the draft, that will need a couple years just learning the fundamentals to being an elite level basketball player.

Work ethic is extremely important. The ability to change and develop ones game through shear hours put into the game is valuable. Thats why I like Hucth so much. He has a great foundation and work ethic, with the feel, agility, and body to develop into something great.
 
BonesJones said:
How is most steals being great players as freshmen or sophomores a knock against Hutchison? That's just shows how hard he's worked to turn himself into a draft prospect.
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Just pointing out a trend. Not a knock although it kinda indirectly is.

BonesJones said:
If we were drafting players based off what they were as freshmen or sophomores, we wouldn't have taken Damian Lillard at 6th overall.
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It's not why, but success at every step in a player's career is taking into account when evaluating a prospect. Because again, it's a proven fact that success and age are the top correlating factors for NBA success for a prospect. I guess it's also important to note that Dame was a high level offensive guard as a sophomore.

BonesJones said:
In most scenarios, age got used against them anyway. It's the same with Hutchison. Hutch has 5 more years of improvement in him.. he's 22, not 27... he has a better foundation than 19 year olds above him in the draft, that will need a couple years just learning the fundamentals to being an elite level basketball player.
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Never have I said that Hutch won't develop and I've noted his tools and work ethic as positives multiple times. You're just choosing to look at his college growth curve from a different (more positive) perspective. And you're not wrong to look at it that way, just understand that my view on it is well proven to be a key indicator for limited NBA potential, whether you agree with it or not.
 
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I can't believe nobody has mentioned drafting LiAngelo Ball this year. He's suppose to be the next greatest player to come into the NBA and we would also get a self professed superior basketball player than Michael Jordan as a consultant. Seems like a no brainer.
 
It would be interesting to see a draft success rate by spot taken (using something simple like PER, maybe?), and then correlate that against age. I'm guessing young players have a higher rate of failing relative to where they were picked, but that older players have a lower ceiling.
 
handiman said:
It would be interesting to see a draft success rate by spot taken (using something simple like PER, maybe?), and then correlate that against age. I'm guessing young players have a higher rate of failing relative to where they were picked, but that older players have a lower ceiling.
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Scrape basketball reference, put it in an sql table or some type of database and there you go.
 
JDC said:
Just pointing out a trend. Not a knock although it kinda indirectly is.



It's not why, but success at every step in a player's career is taking into account when evaluating a prospect. Because again, it's a proven fact that success and age are the top correlating factors for NBA success for a prospect. I guess it's also important to note that Dame was a high level offensive guard as a sophomore.



Never have I said that Hutch won't develop and I've noted his tools and work ethic as positives multiple times. You're just choosing to look at his college growth curve from a different (more positive) perspective. And you're not wrong to look at it that way, just understand that my view on it is well proven to be a key indicator for limited NBA potential, whether you agree with it or not.
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Its easier to say a late 1st is gonna not amount to anything... and of course that's more "proven" since late 1sts usually dont turn into anything. Thats why you gotta look at it from the prospective of "what sets this guy apart, that gives him a chance to be the next late 1st that turns into an all-star?" Instead of "Why is this guy being drafted in the 20s and why those negatives mean it's justified"..
 
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