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Mediocre Man said:
Name me the last WABC
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Why limit it to American born? Name me the last great white center born anywhere on the planet taken in the lottery? Going back at least 12 years (feel free to go back further if you wish), the only international white centers that are any good that were taken in the lottery are Steven Adams and Jonas Valanciunas. I'd consider both of them good, but not great. Neither has averaged a double-double, made an all star or all NBA team. Neither will make the Hall of Fame - not even close.

Heck, there have been far more international white centers, and for that matter, American born African American centers, taken in the lottery in the last 15 years that ended up being total busts than there have been white American born centers.

The last center to win MVP was Shaq 18 years ago. In the 17 years since, a PG has won the NBA MVP 7 times, a SG once, a SF 5 times and a PF 4 times.

There just haven't been a lot of good, skilled, healthy big men of any race or nationality available in the last 15 years. With so many busts, and so few successes, it seems silly to single out a specific race or birthplace when drafting a center in the lottery.

The best four centers drafted in the last 10 years are Joel Embiid, Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins and Karl Anthony-Towns. None of them have won shit. Three of the four have never even made the playoffs and the one that did make the playoffs only made it once and was swept in the first round.

Given the marginalization of the center position, and the lack of talented big men globally, maybe you should change your mantra to "don't draft a center in the lottery" *

*But if you do, draft one from Kentucky - and hope you can surround him with enough other players to actually have a winning record.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Why limit it to American born? Name me the last great white center born anywhere on the planet taken in the lottery? Going back at least 12 years (feel free to go back further if you wish), the only international white centers that are any good that were taken in the lottery are Steven Adams and Jonas Valanciunas. I'd consider both of them good, but not great. Neither has averaged a double-double, made an all star or all NBA team. Neither will make the Hall of Fame - not even close.

Heck, there have been far more international white centers, and for that matter, American born African American centers, taken in the lottery in the last 15 years that ended up being total busts than there have been white American born centers.

The last center to win MVP was Shaq 18 years ago. In the 17 years since, a PG has won the NBA MVP 7 times, a SG once, a SF 5 times and a PF 4 times.

There just haven't been a lot of good, skilled, healthy big men of any race or nationality available in the last 15 years. With so many busts, and so few successes, it seems silly to single out a specific race or birthplace when drafting a center in the lottery.

The best four centers drafted in the last 10 years are Joel Embiid, Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins and Karl Anthony-Towns. None of them have won shit. Three of the four have never even made the playoffs and the one that did make the playoffs only made it once and was swept in the first round.

Given the marginalization of the center position, and the lack of talented big men globally, maybe you should change your mantra to "don't draft a center in the lottery" *

*But if you do, draft one from Kentucky - and hope you can surround him with enough other players to actually have a winning record.

BNM
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Hmmm. I'm all for it
 
Mediocre Man said:
That they suck?
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Let's see
Kaman: All-Star
Miller: All-Star

Going through white American-born players drafted in the top 10 in the past 10 drafts:
'08 - Love (PF): All-Star
'10 - Hayward (SF): All-Star
'11 - Fredette (SG?): Bust
'14 - Stauskas (SG): Semi-Bust
'15 - Kaminsky (PF): Average for where he was drafted
'17 - Collins (PF/C): TBD

That's a pretty even makeup of players. You'd have a nearly identical spread by looking at African-Americans drafted in the Top 10.

You're logic is literally because there's less of them, the talented ones that do make it to the point of getting drafted top 10 aren't good enough to be drafted there. It's faulty logic. That's like saying a dollar coin isn't really worth a dollar and you'll have more currency with a dollar bill because there's less dollar coins than dollar bills.

It's so illogical it could be construed as racist
 
BonesJones said:
Let's see
Kaman: All-Star
Miller: All-Star

Going through white American-born players drafted in the top 10 in the past 10 drafts:
'08 - Love (PF): All-Star
'10 - Hayward (SF): All-Star
'11 - Fredette (SG?): Bust
'14 - Stauskas (SG): Semi-Bust
'15 - Kaminsky (PF): Average for where he was drafted
'17 - Collins (PF/C): TBD

That's a pretty even makeup of players. You'd have a nearly identical spread by looking at African-Americans drafted in the Top 10.

You're logic is literally because there's less of them, the talented ones that do make it to the point of getting drafted top 10 aren't good enough to be drafted there. It's faulty logic. That's like saying a dollar coin isn't really worth a dollar and you'll have more currency with a dollar bill because there's less dollar coins than dollar bills.

It's so illogical it could be construed as racist
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Great. Call it whatever you want, just don't draft one again
 
I don't follow this at all but I was just searching for Zach Collins videos and saw some kid names DeAndre Ayton.

Holy shit.
 
HCP said:
No more white people!!!!
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This reminded me of a childhood experience.

Back in 2004 when USA was struggling to be competitive in Olympic basketball.
I went to a local school to play 21 with a couple friends.
As we were about to leave, this skinny white guy(who looked in his 20's) shows up and shoots on the other basket.
As he's shooting, he says.
'Man if our Olympic team had any white guys we wouldn't be losing. The guys they have right now are just too dumb.'

I looked at him, and being a young kid I ignored him. However the two black adults I was with told me to get my stuff and lets go.
As they were taking me home, they also explained to me what he meant. I was like 'oh well that's fucked up'.

This comment you made is pretty on par with the the guy this story imo.
 


Is it me or does Justin Jackson of Maryland remind me of OG Anunoby with a better jumper and better ball skills?...

@JDC @TBpup what do you guys think of him? The "weaknesses" he displays reminds me of Kuzma's in college... His measurements are insane (6'7 with a 7'3 wingspan). I have always liked big SFs/small PFs who can play defense and have unpolished yet all-around offensive skills. Those guys are always underdrafted (Khris Middleton, Jae Crowder, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Draymond Green, Giannis Antetokounmpo, etc.).

His wingspan helps him finish around defenders, and he seems to be able to finish some tough layups and have good body control.
His passing looks very solid for a player like him, and he's shown flashes of being a ball handler.

He could definitely play a Draymond role at the 4, and could be the next Middleton/Butler/etc.

He's out for the season with an injury which could drop him into the 20s. If we could trade for a 2nd pick in the 20s, he'd be a great pickup.
 
I feel like Olshey is gonna target Kevin Knox though.
 
BonesJones said:


Is it me or does Justin Jackson of Maryland remind me of OG Anunoby with a better jumper and better ball skills?...

@JDC @TBpup what do you guys think of him? The "weaknesses" he displays reminds me of Kuzma's in college... His measurements are insane (6'7 with a 7'3 wingspan). I have always liked big SFs/small PFs who can play defense and have unpolished yet all-around offensive skills. Those guys are always underdrafted (Khris Middleton, Jae Crowder, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Draymond Green, Giannis Antetokounmpo, etc.).

His wingspan helps him finish around defenders, and he seems to be able to finish some tough layups and have good body control.
His passing looks very solid for a player like him, and he's shown flashes of being a ball handler.

He could definitely play a Draymond role at the 4, and could be the next Middleton/Butler/etc.

He's out for the season with an injury which could drop him into the 20s. If we could trade for a 2nd pick in the 20s, he'd be a great pickup.
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I liked him a lot. I watched a few Maryland games to scout him last spring when there was a chance he would come out. His advanced metrics were good.

With him being out injured, he could be a very good 'buy low' option.
 
BonesJones said:


Is it me or does Justin Jackson of Maryland remind me of OG Anunoby with a better jumper and better ball skills?...

@JDC @TBpup what do you guys think of him? The "weaknesses" he displays reminds me of Kuzma's in college... His measurements are insane (6'7 with a 7'3 wingspan). I have always liked big SFs/small PFs who can play defense and have unpolished yet all-around offensive skills. Those guys are always underdrafted (Khris Middleton, Jae Crowder, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Draymond Green, Giannis Antetokounmpo, etc.).

His wingspan helps him finish around defenders, and he seems to be able to finish some tough layups and have good body control.
His passing looks very solid for a player like him, and he's shown flashes of being a ball handler.

He could definitely play a Draymond role at the 4, and could be the next Middleton/Butler/etc.

He's out for the season with an injury which could drop him into the 20s. If we could trade for a 2nd pick in the 20s, he'd be a great pickup.
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Never been a fan of Jackson. And with his shooting regression plus the injury, I doubt he gets a 1st round grade and goes back to school.

Even though I've never been an OG guy, atleast he showed he could be very effecient in a small role in both of his years at IU.
 
JDC said:
Never been a fan of Jackson. And with his shooting regression plus the injury, I doubt he gets a 1st round grade and goes back to school.

Even though I've never been an OG guy, atleast he showed he could be very effecient in a small role in both of his years at IU.
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Jackson is a good shooter. He was in a slump to start this season but his mechanics are smooth and he shot 43.8% last year in a 33-game sample size (compared to 11 this year). Jackson's injury isn't something that is likely to be recurrent.
 
BonesJones said:


Is it me or does Justin Jackson of Maryland remind me of OG Anunoby with a better jumper and better ball skills?...

@JDC @TBpup what do you guys think of him? The "weaknesses" he displays reminds me of Kuzma's in college... His measurements are insane (6'7 with a 7'3 wingspan). I have always liked big SFs/small PFs who can play defense and have unpolished yet all-around offensive skills. Those guys are always underdrafted (Khris Middleton, Jae Crowder, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Draymond Green, Giannis Antetokounmpo, etc.).

His wingspan helps him finish around defenders, and he seems to be able to finish some tough layups and have good body control.
His passing looks very solid for a player like him, and he's shown flashes of being a ball handler.

He could definitely play a Draymond role at the 4, and could be the next Middleton/Butler/etc.

He's out for the season with an injury which could drop him into the 20s. If we could trade for a 2nd pick in the 20s, he'd be a great pickup.
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You've heard of smalls that play big? I.e., "he maybe 6'2" but he plays like he's 6'7"? This guy seems to be the opposite. He's 6'7" but plays like he's 6'2".
 
Fez Von Savage said:
Doncic is that dude. The second coming of Ginobli.

Miles Bridges was my 1a/1b in this past draft with Zach Collins before he withdrew his name.
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Donicic is a great talent but I think he's less of a team player than Ginobily. I watched him in a game where he was the 1st, 2nd and 3rd option and his team lost the game. He Is extremely talented though
 
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