Event 2018 NBA Finals, Warriors vs Cavaliers.

[TorturedBlazerFan]

1 foot does not equal position. He was sliding. It's a block

Lebron was squared up though, Durant hit him right in the chest. Lebron took up that space. I am sort of cheering for Cleveland, but I really don’t care who wins because it’s not the Blazers. So I don’t have much of a rooting interest. I just want consistent officiating, Lebron to be awesome and good basketball. I got 2 out of 3.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Lebron was squared up though, Durant hit him right in the chest. Lebron took up that space. I am sort of cheering for Cleveland, but I really don’t care who wins because it’s not the Blazers. So I don’t have much of a rooting interest. I just want consistent officiating, Lebron to be awesome and good basketball. I got 2 out of 3.

Hit him in the shoulder.

 

[TBpup]

So I've gone back and looked at that replay a dozen times. If you line up LeBron's feet and shoulders with a stationary point like the lines of the perforated circle at the foul line, his left foot remains stationary for the most part. His right foot slides over quite a bit which allows his body to drift to the left and he slightly turns his shoulder into Durant.

It's such a close call and I can't remember when a block/charge has been changed due to replay when it was obvious that the defender was outside of the circle.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

It's such a close call and I can't remember when a block/charge has been changed due to replay when it was obvious that the defender was outside of the circle.

 

[TBpup]

Thanks...knew there had been at least one occasion because they talked about it this morning but couldn't remember when. Still, a very rare call and on such a close play with under a minute to go in a Finals game....easily questionable no matter which way they change it to after making a call.

 

[Hoopguru]

If all you got to do is get into a guarding position? (hands up) head and shoulders square but still be able to slide in front of a guy already driving committed to the hoop? wow
In my mind it was a block as he was trying to jump in front and get the offensive foul call.
I normally think the defenders get the raw end of this game now, but deliberate jumping in front of a guy even in a hands up guarding position is weak.

 

[Gronk Brady]

If all you got to do is get into a guarding position? (hands up) head and shoulders square but still be able to slide in front of a guy already driving committed to the hoop? wow
In my mind it was a block as he was trying to jump in front and get the offensive foul call.
I normally think the defenders get the raw end of this game now, but deliberate jumping in front of a guy even in a hands up guarding position is weak.

I think it was debatable who the foul was on... My problem is there wasn’t conclusive evidence to overturn it IMO... you are talking about a split second if LeBron was there on time... and the side angle looks like it was clearly a charge... so to overturn the call on the floor on a play that could be argued either way, and decide the game with that, it’s just wrong

 

[Pinwheel1]

Not sure what the current rule is, but IMO it needs to be a foul in the future. If not then it will be like college a few years back where there were just too many offensive fouls called. I don't like it when the defensive guys leans in one direction to draw the foul.

But then I also don't like it when the offensive guys gets to slap a defensive players hand away or draw a foul with a sweeping motion.

 

[bobf]

Obvious block.

Watch the reply and decide for yourself when it is that Durant has "started his shooting motion". Then see how far Lebron slides to his left after that.

Durant has clearly started his shooting motion by this frame. Lebron's left shoulder will contact Durant's chest at the pink dot. Lebron already needed to "establish" himself along the green path by now.



Technically KD has started his "shooting motion" in this frame as he has "gathered the ball". If he were fouled at this moment it would be called a shooting foul.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

J.R. is an idiot. You should always know the time and score of a game at that point. That is the most bone-headed play at the decisive moment of a Finals game I've ever seen.

3 points in defense of JR Smith:

1. There's no guarantee the Cavs could've scored even if he'd called timeout.
2. He got a pretty epic OR, and may have prevented the Warriors from scoring in doing so.
3. GEORGE HILL MISSED THE GO-AHEAD FT! Why is JR getting flack and Hill not?

 

[blue9]

I'd probably SLAP CP3...

That would go down as the ALL TIME BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED IN THE NBA!
If you could somehow do it Three Stooges style and get CP3, Harden, and Doc Rivers all in a single motion then the world should just stop existing, as nirvana for all living beings would be achieved.

 

[blue9]

Sliding. Not set

I thought you of all people would know that you don't need to be set to pick up a charge.
It drives me crazy that SO MANY people think feet NEED to be set in order to draw a charge - it's just not true.

 

[TBpup]

I thought you of all people would know that you don't need to be set to pick up a charge.
It drives me crazy that SO MANY people think feet NEED to be set in order to draw a charge - it's just not true.

I think most people know you don't have to be set to draw a charge. You also can not be sliding/going under a player once they have begun takeoff. This is so close, that is why people are debating. But I've yet to see anyone say you have to be completely stationary to draw a charge.

 

[H.C.]

Regardless if LBJ was set or not.
Regardless if it should've been a block or a charge.
It was called a Charge on the floor.
With a call THAT close, you have to stay with whats called on the floor.
Poor rule.

My only other issue is people saying. sliding feet means it's an automatic block call.
Feet can help tell you if a player is in position, bit it is not the deciding factor if a defender is in position to take the charge or not.
But it's okay, many coaches, parents & players don't understand that. They were taught wrong when they were young.

 

[blue9]

I think most people know you don't have to be set to draw a charge. You also can not be sliding/going under a player once they have begun takeoff. This is so close, that is why people are debating. But I've yet to see anyone say you have to be completely stationary to draw a charge.

MM did. He said "Sliding. Not set." - and I think a lot of people feel that's the rule, and it's absolutely NOT.
I'm not debating the play, just trying to get people to stop using "sliding not set" as the determining factor for charge/block.

 

[TBpup]

MM did. He said "Sliding. Not set." - and I think a lot of people feel that's the rule, and it's absolutely NOT.
I'm not debating the play, just trying to get people to stop using "sliding not set" as the determining factor for charge/block.

He may be referring to you can't slide under a player once they are going up. If you are, that has been a block since forever. You certainly can be sliding/moving when someone is dribbling if you beat them to a spot....no question. Once someone is airborne/going up, you can't slide under (sliding, not set) and that's what I think he was referring to as it was pertaining to this particular instance.

 

[Pinwheel1]

The Cavs blew this game but if they wouldn't have, would we be roasting Kerr today? Play after play in the 4th where the warriors switched and Curry was left guarding LBJ? We sure roasted Terry for allowing similar situations and rightly so.

The Warriors have looked good but not great this post season, especially after losing Iguodala. This whole "greatest mismatch ever " description by the media is ridiculous. When you see guys like Looney, Bell, Cook, and Young getting minutes.......the Cavs supporting cast does not look so bad. Really it just comes down to one extra shooter for the Warriors.

 

[blue9]

He may be referring to you can't slide under a player once they are going up. If you are, that has been a block since forever. You certainly can be sliding/moving when someone is dribbling if you beat them to a spot....no question. Once someone is airborne/going up, you can't slide under (sliding, not set) and that's what I think he was referring to as it was pertaining to this particular instance.

Perhaps that's what he meant. But nobody is arguing that. Maybe debating whether LBJ was sliding on this play, but nobody is arguing that you can slide under a player.

 

[Lanny]

+40000 odds that George Hill wins Finals MVP

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James is the eventual winner, hands down. No one else comes close.

 

[Lanny]

The Cavs blew this game but if they wouldn't have, would we be roasting Kerr today? Play after play in the 4th where the warriors switched and Curry was left guarding LBJ? We sure roasted Terry for allowing similar situations and rightly so.

The Warriors have looked good but not great this post season, especially after losing Iguodala. This whole "greatest mismatch ever " description by the media is ridiculous. When you see guys like Looney, Bell, Cook, and Young getting minutes.......the Cavs supporting cast does not look so bad. Really it just comes down to one extra shooter for the Warriors.

Yep, the Cavs goofed big time. They should have won in regulation.

However, in spite of all of LeBron's excellent play, I'm just waiting for the Warriors to hit their stride.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

3 points in defense of JR Smith:

1. There's no guarantee the Cavs could've scored even if he'd called timeout.
2. He got a pretty epic OR, and may have prevented the Warriors from scoring in doing so.
3. GEORGE HILL MISSED THE GO-AHEAD FT! Why is JR getting flack and Hill not?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Pardon me for reposting my own tweet, but this is where I come down on this series at this point.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Pardon me for reposting my own tweet, but this is where I come down on this series at this point.

BUT: LeBron was -13 (and JR Smith -22!) and yet the Cavs took it to OT.
Meanwhile Korver was +12 in only 16 minutes - maybe play him a bit more?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I thought you of all people would know that you don't need to be set to pick up a charge.
It drives me crazy that SO MANY people think feet NEED to be set in order to draw a charge - it's just not true.

He was more than not set. He was sliding

 

[PtldPlatypus]

BUT: LeBron was -13 (and JR Smith -22!) and yet the Cavs took it to OT.
Meanwhile Korver was +12 in only 16 minutes - maybe play him a bit more?

Agree with more Korver. The fact that they got to OT with Lebron -3 (excluding the -10 in OT) supports my point even more. How likely is that to be replicated?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Blazers well-represented here:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Agree with more Korver. The fact that they got to OT with Lebron -3 (excluding the -10 in OT) supports my point even more. How likely is that to be replicated?

BUT: LeBron has NEVER won a first game in the Finals with the Cavs.

Biggest change would be if Iguodala comes back. Then I'll agree on a sweep.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

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There’s no doubt that this season is LeBron’s greatest achievement. The problem with heroically dragging a pile of garbage to the Finals is that then you’re in the Finals with a pile of garbage.

 

[H.C.]

Pardon me for reposting my own tweet, but this is where I come down on this series at this point.

I don't know.
LBJ has been doing this the entire playoffs.
My only thing is the Cavs really didn't shoot well and were in position to take a game in GSW.
LBJ was 3-7 from three.
Rest of the Cavs were 7-30. That's like 23%???
The others, in the Celtics series shot so much better in Cle, than they did in Bos.
If that holds true. I think this'll be 3-2 GSW going into g6.

I don't think the Cavs should be in a game against GSW where they shoot 23% from three... And GSW shoots 36%
FTA's were even.
Seems like GSW has been getting killed on the glass all post-season.(especially in losses)