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andalusian said:
I think you are rewriting history or managed not to see Fox news doing a meltdown every time Obama said something.
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It might be a case of short term memory issues for me. I realize the GOP and conservative media treated Obama with no respect whatsoever and its hypocritical that their now trying to play the “Trump deserves respect cause he’s the president”, card but I dont remember the everyday citizen reaction to Obama being as bad as the reaction has been to Trump.

I dont remember riots and protests, and all the property damage, and stuff on election night when Romney lost like there was when Hillary lost.

What’s scary going forward though is I really believe whoever loses in 2020 is going to lose it...
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Not as bad as how the libs are melting down and still are.
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You are entitled to that opinion. I disagree with it however, just say Obamacare now 9 years after it passed with hard data showing it was a success overall and people in this very forum getting hot...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
It might be a case of short term memory issues for me. I realize the GOP and conservative media treated Obama with no respect whatsoever and its hypocritical that their now trying to play the “Trump deserves respect cause he’s the president”, card but I dont remember the everyday citizen reaction to Obama being as bad as the reaction has been to Trump.

I dont remember riots and protests, and all the property damage, and stuff on election night when Romney lost like there was when Hillary lost.

What’s scary going forward though is I really believe whoever loses in 2020 is going to lose it...
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You forgot the main point. You likely don't remember Obama ever acting and doing the things trump has said and done either. Obama got flack for such serious offenses as wearing a tan suit and his wife was criticized for wearing a sleeveless dress. How he made it 8 years is shocking. How could a sitting president ever wear a tan suit? :devilwink:
 
CupWizier said:
You forgot the main point. You likely don't remember Obama ever acting and doing the things trump has said and done either. Obama got flack for such serious offenses as wearing a tan suit and his wife was criticized for wearing a sleeveless dress. How he made it 8 years is shocking. How could a sitting president ever wear a tan suit? :devilwink:
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Well I understand Trump had a history before being elected, but the protests started the day he was elected before he had done anything (as president). I think it plays into the whole, “witch hunt”, thing the right has espoused, because literally those who hated him and would do anything to get him out of office really had started that the second he was elected. Its certainly interesting though, and I understand your point.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Well I understand Trump had a history before being elected, but the protests started the day he was elected before he had done anything (as president). I think it plays into the whole, “witch hunt”, thing the right has espoused, because literally those who hated him and would do anything to get him out of office really had started that the second he was elected. Its certainly interesting though, and I understand your point.
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Well, I would argue that there were 2 issues here:

1. The majority voted against him and yet he won.
2. It was pretty clear (and since confirmed) that there was foreign campaign to support him.

The reality of the situation is that people were being upset because the minority vote getter that was helped by foreign interference (knowingly or not, I guess we will find out once this administration is out when there are not so many roadblocks to the inquiry) . If this is a bad thing, I do not know how, honestly.
 
andalusian said:
Well, I would argue that there were 2 issues here:

1. The majority voted against him and yet he won.
2. It was pretty clear (and since confirmed) that there was foreign campaign to support him.

The reality of the situation is that people were being upset because the minority vote getter that was helped by foreign interference (knowingly or not, I guess we will find out once this administration is out when there are not so many roadblocks to the inquiry) . If this is a bad thing, I do not know how, honestly.
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I don't believe the protests and riots were of the electoral college, but of Trump. Had Hillary of won, those same people would not have been protesting Hillary because she won the electoral vote.

The “russia” campaign and all that Im not really sure what to say or think about that. It seems like its very easy to find links that confirm my bias’ on the topics and its easy to find places that dont.

I think the reaction though on elections night and shortly after played into the the whole, “Trumps a victim” of a crazy with hunt mob. -Im not saying I am on board with that, but I definitely understand why its easy for them to make that argument.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Well I understand Trump had a history before being elected, but the protests started the day he was elected before he had done anything (as president). I think it plays into the whole, “witch hunt”, thing the right has espoused, because literally those who hated him and would do anything to get him out of office really had started that the second he was elected. Its certainly interesting though, and I understand your point.
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"witch hunt" implies that he's innocent, when he is anything but.
 
illmatic99 said:
"witch hunt" implies that he's innocent, when he is anything but.
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No it doesnt, it means that they’re out to get him and have been from the beginning. Which is not a hard argument for the right to make.






witch-hunt
/ˈwiCH ˌhənt/
noun
HISTORICAL
  1. a search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
    • INFORMAL
      a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
No it doesnt, it means that they’re out to get him and have been from the beginning. Which is not a hard argument for the right to make.






witch-hunt
/ˈwiCH ˌhənt/
noun
HISTORICAL
  1. a search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
    • INFORMAL
      a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views
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witch is a female word....in this case the definition is skewed..we are having a Warlock hunt
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I don't believe the protests and riots were of the electoral college, but of Trump. Had Hillary of won, those same people would not have been protesting Hillary because she won the electoral vote.
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I believe it is a confluence of these items, but why wouldn't they when he was basically doing a long-form witch hunt by himself to Obama? Seriously, how can anyone defend this person getting the same behavior he exhibited before?
 
andalusian said:
I believe it is a confluence of these items, but why wouldn't they when he was basically doing a long-form witch hunt of himself to Obama? Seriously, how can anyone defend this person getting the same behavior he exhibited before?
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I am not defending him getting that behavior I even said its hypocritical for the right and conservative media to play the “respect our President”, card when they didnt do it for Obama. I just also think the reaction on election night and shortly after was way over the top and played into the hands of the GOP and conservative media outlets.
 
andalusian said:
Seriously, how can anyone defend this person getting the same behavior he exhibited before?
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Could be a multitude of issues, take your pick.

- selective memory loss (as mentioned above)
- blind partisanship
- underlying feelings of racism/sexism
 
andalusian said:
I believe it is a confluence of these items, but why wouldn't they when he was basically doing a long-form witch hunt by himself to Obama? Seriously, how can anyone defend this person getting the same behavior he exhibited before?
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Classic con man bait a switch...Trump is a carpet bagging snake oil cure all salesman...the kind that would get run out of town with his pants down from the local sheriff
 
illmatic99 said:
Could be a multitude of issues, take your pick.

- selective memory loss (as mentioned above)
- blind partisanship
- underlying feelings of racism/sexism
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If thats directed at me, for the record Im ok with whatever labels you’d like to give me. I am a flawed individual and would never try to say otherwise. I need to be better at all those things. Whatever my preconceived notions and slants are, I understand I have issues internally to address.

Its a very complicated subject that IMO all humans struggle with.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I am not defending him getting that behavior I even said its hypocritical for the right and conservative media to play the “respect our President”, card when they didnt do it for Obama. I just also think the reaction on election night and shortly after was way over the top and played into the hands of the GOP and conservative media outlets.
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And the past two and half years have showed us all that the outrage was justified, so who cares.
 
illmatic99 said:
And the past two and half years have showed us all that the outrage was justified, so who cares.
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You should because its made it so easy for those people to argue that the past two and a half years is just a bunch of “mad liberals”, who are sore losers. Which has made it even harder then it should be to nail the dude because theres a very large minority that eat it up because on the surface it seems like a good argument.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
You should because its made it so easy for those people to argue that the past two and a half years is just a bunch of “mad liberals”, who are sore losers. Which has made it even harder then it should be to nail the dude because theres a very large minority that eat it up because on the surface it seems like a good argument.
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Believe me, I have no faith in the Dems actually being assertive enough to actually kick this dumbass out. It's always their failing.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Well I understand Trump had a history before being elected, but the protests started the day he was elected before he had done anything (as president). I think it plays into the whole, “witch hunt”, thing the right has espoused, because literally those who hated him and would do anything to get him out of office really had started that the second he was elected. Its certainly interesting though, and I understand your point.
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and I would say those people knew what the United States was getting into. He certainly hasn't done anything to dissuade the protests and instead ignites it with more fuel.
 
illmatic99 said:
Believe me, I have no faith in the Dems actually being assertive enough to actually kick this dumbass out. It's always their failing.
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illmatic99 said:
Believe me, I have no faith in the Dems actually being assertive enough to actually kick this dumbass out. It's always their failing.
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Unfortunately, it's not up to the democrats as it lies in the hands of the republicans in the senate and they have trouble just standing without a spine.
 
CupWizier said:
and I would say those people knew what the United States was getting into. He certainly hasn't done anything to dissuade the protests and instead ignites it with more fuel.
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Agreed he loves the division and works hard to keep the divide growing. Its very interesting to watch, and sad and frustrating.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
You should because its made it so easy for those people to argue that the past two and a half years is just a bunch of “mad liberals”, who are sore losers. Which has made it even harder then it should be to nail the dude because theres a very large minority that eat it up because on the surface it seems like a good argument.
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People who can be convinced by bad arguments are hopeless because there is always an endless supply of bad arguments, no matter what the situation.

barfo
 
barfo said:
People who can be convinced by bad arguments are hopeless because there is always an endless supply of bad arguments, no matter what the situation.

barfo
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Literally every single person has been and will be convinced by a bad argument at some point. So mankind is hopeless, thats fine if thats the stance you want to take, but remember even pirates have been convinced by bad arguments.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Literally every single person has been and will be convinced by a bad argument at some point. So mankind is hopeless, thats fine if thats the stance you want to take, but remember even pirates have been convinced by bad arguments.
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I think that's a bad argument, I am not convinced.

Maybe my point was that asking rational people to not do something rational in order to keep bad people from making bad faith arguments is doomed to failure.

barfo
 
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