2021 Trade Thread

[blazerkor]

porzingis is nearly unplayable in the playoffs. that's a horrible deal. put down the pipe.

Do you think that three games might be a limited sample size? The guy hit over 50% of his threes in those three games, over 50% of his twos, had about 9 boards, had a block per game. I realize that his defense wasn't ideal but he was playing on a team with bad defenders. A guy pulling down 9 boards, who can get out and play pick and rolls and get at least a block a game isn't bad on defense and a guy who shoots like he does and scores 23 points per game for his team isn't even close to being unplayable.

I just think that if we have CJ and Nurk come back we will get a net zero gain from their return. I think if we do that trade we're a lot better than we've been while they've been out. The good news for everyone that wants them back is that we're going to get to see how we are with them because I put the odds that Neil trades either at less than 1 in 100.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Fwiw — Dallas wanted RoCo this past offseason...

 

[LayneStaley]

KP for CJ straight up works. Both suck on D but we could finally play ultimate Stotts 3ball offense with this lineup...

Dame
Gary
RoCo
Melo
KP

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

KP is not worth CJ.

His value is at an all-time low.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

 

[illmatic99]

Do you think that three games might be a limited sample size? The guy hit over 50% of his threes in those three games, over 50% of his twos, had about 9 boards, had a block per game. I realize that his defense wasn't ideal but he was playing on a team with bad defenders. A guy pulling down 9 boards, who can get out and play pick and rolls and get at least a block a game isn't bad on defense and a guy who shoots like he does and scores 23 points per game for his team isn't even close to being unplayable.

I just think that if we have CJ and Nurk come back we will get a net zero gain from their return. I think if we do that trade we're a lot better than we've been while they've been out. The good news for everyone that wants them back is that we're going to get to see how we are with them because I put the odds that Neil trades either at less than 1 in 100.

im not talking about his playoff performance last year to judge him. i'm talking about him now. teams attack him on the P&R more than they do kanter. and he can neither trap nor drop. getting absolutely exposed this yr and i used to love KP. and you're trading two massive pieces for a huge liability.

did you see Dame drop 61 on that team last yr? im guessing not. go look at some of those highlights and see what he did with porzingis.

 

[wizenheimer]

im not talking about his playoff performance last year to judge him. i'm talking about him now. teams attack him on the P&R more than they do kanter. and he can neither trap nor drop. getting absolutely exposed this yr and i used to love KP. and you're trading two massive pieces for a huge liability.

did you see Dame drop 61 on that team last yr? im guessing not. go look at some of those highlights and see what he did with porzingis.

I think you're probably underselling his strengths and overselling his flaws

that said, the problem, IMO, with CJ is that he's a couple of tiers below elite players but getting paid like one (although each off-season CJ's relative cost drops as more contracts are written). Porzingis has the same imbalance in the talent/cost ratio. Further, KP isn't as good a fit in the modern NBA as CJ is. I want CJ traded, but I wouldn't trade him for KP. The only way a trade of CJ for KP would be acceptable to me is if it was a 3-team trade and KP was routed to a 3rd team for a quality PF or SF that was routed to Portland, hopefully with some decent long-term salary relief.

 

[BigGameDamian]

KP for CJ straight up works. Both suck on D but we could finally play ultimate Stotts 3ball offense with this lineup...

Dame
Gary
RoCo
Melo
KP

That's a Mike D'Antoni lineup.

 

[BigGameDamian]

CJ, Nurkic and Collins to Orlando for Vucevic and Gordon?

 

[blazerkor]

CJ, Nurkic and Collins to Orlando for Vucevic and Gordon?

I feel like we could get Rivers, Randle, Robinson and Ntilikina (who we'd buyout) from the Knicks for CJ and Nurk. Maybe I'm delusional but I do think the Knicks would do that. The trade gives them two players that are really good right now, some would even say CJ could be great and leaves them enough for a max player in the off season to go with their young players.

 

[e_blazer]

For what little it may be worth, here’s a Bleacher Report trade proposal:


Portland Trail Blazers receive: Nikola Vucevic, Evan Fournier and Michael Carter-Williams (after March 3)

Orlando Magic receive: Jusuf Nurkic, Anfernee Simons, Zach Collins, Derrick Jones Jr., Rodney Hood (after March 3) and 2023 first-round pick (lottery protected).

 

[tester551]

For what little it may be worth, here’s a Bleacher Report trade proposal:


Portland Trail Blazers receive: Nikola Vucevic, Evan Fournier and Michael Carter-Williams (after March 3)

Orlando Magic receive: Jusuf Nurkic, Anfernee Simons, Zach Collins, Derrick Jones Jr., Rodney Hood (after March 3) and 2023 first-round pick (lottery protected).

Maybe cut this down just a bit.
Nikola Vucevic for Nurk & DJJ?

 

[Scalma]

Most realistic thing we should be doing is packaging Hoods contract with Simons and finding an actual point guard or a four. Give me Rondo for example. Delon Wright is another guy I like.

Even if everyone is healthy we can’t have a unit featuring Melo, Simons, and Kanter and expect to actually go anywhere. That’s about 20 minutes of the other team scoring at will.

 

[royo]

Most realistic thing we should be doing is packaging Hoods contract with Simons and finding an actual point guard or a four. Give me Rondo for example. Delon Wright is another guy I like.

Even if everyone is healthy we can’t have a unit featuring Melo, Simons, and Kanter and expect to actually go anywhere. That’s about 20 minutes of the other team scoring at will.

Jesus, I was beggin for Rondo for like 100 years now. Am afraid he'll come here in 2034

 

[Scalma]

Jesus, I was beggin for Rondo for like 100 years now. Am afraid he'll come here in 2034

he’s been the ideal backup for our guards, can’t believe Olshey hasn’t made a play for him. Then again I can, since he’s in love with shooting guards acting as point guards.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

If you go that route shoot for Lonzo.

 

[Natebishop3]

Well at least this losing streak is coming at a time where we can still do something about it.

 

[Scalma]

Little makes Hood expendable. Time to package him with Simons.

 

[wizenheimer]

Little makes Hood expendable. Time to package him with Simons.

I really wish Stotts would give Hood the kind of consistent minutes Trent and Simons got last year. It would be nice to see what he can do with a defined role

 

[OneSport3]

Admittedly, I’m not a cap guy like some on here, but if we could get Lonzo Ball some how, he’d be the perfect fit for this team. He’s a great defender, elite passer/playmaker and vastly improved shooter.

Rumors that New Orleans is open to trading him as well.

 

[Natebishop3]

I really wish Stotts would give Hood the kind of consistent minutes Trent and Simons got last year. It would be nice to see what he can do with a defined role

He’s terrible though.

 

[Scalma]

Here’s another guy I like: Satoransky. He’s making the same as Hood. If we add Simons, we’d stay under the tax. He’s 29, so the bulls could look to go younger. Career 38% 3PT shooter, has great size for a ballhandler. Would fit behind or next to Dame. Signed through next season.

 

[Aussie Blazer!]

Lets get crazy and bring in Lance Stephenson. He would be cheap. Apparently his been training and his 3 point shot doesn't look too bad. At least he would get into some peoples heads if not ears

 

[BonesJones]

I think you're probably underselling his strengths and overselling his flaws

that said, the problem, IMO, with CJ is that he's a couple of tiers below elite players but getting paid like one (although each off-season CJ's relative cost drops as more contracts are written). Porzingis has the same imbalance in the talent/cost ratio. Further, KP isn't as good a fit in the modern NBA as CJ is. I want CJ traded, but I wouldn't trade him for KP. The only way a trade of CJ for KP would be acceptable to me is if it was a 3-team trade and KP was routed to a 3rd team for a quality PF or SF that was routed to Portland, hopefully with some decent long-term salary relief.

Do you feel the same wayy about Jamal Murray, Zach Lavine, and Devin Booker as you do CJ?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Maybe cut this down just a bit.
Nikola Vucevic for Nurk & DJJ?

I just don't understand this Vucevic talk. Why exactly would Orlando trade an all- star center for our spare parts?

 

[TBpup]

I really wish Stotts would give Hood the kind of consistent minutes Trent and Simons got last year. It would be nice to see what he can do with a defined role

Please tell me that was supposed to be about Little and not Hood.

 

[mook]

Whatever our plans may be, I really hope we don't trade any more draft picks. Portland has really done a pretty good job of turning mediocre picks into NBA-caliber talent.

 

[wizenheimer]

He’s terrible though.

I meant Little...I said Little in my mind...then I typed Hood....I wonder if the scotch had anything to do with it

Please tell me that was supposed to be about Little and not Hood.

since you asked nicely...yes...I meant Little

 

[wizenheimer]

Do you feel the same wayy about Jamal Murray, Zach Lavine, and Devin Booker as you do CJ?

* Lavine yes, about the same, but I'd probably trade CJ for him because Lavine has a salary next year 11 million below CJ's; and he's 4 years younger

* Murray is about the same level and is another undersized tweener guard. He's 5 years younger than CJ, but like CJ, he has a bloated contract. It's even worse than CJ's. No...I wouldn't trade CJ for Murray. We know how he performs with Jokic, but that easily could mean he'd be less effective on other teams

* Booker is a little better than the other 3, IMO. He's 5 years younger than CJ and over the last 3 seasons, he's put up similar numbers to CJ's 12 game stretch to start the season.....meaning he's been quite a bit better than CJ. His contract is about the same as CJ's too. I'd likely trade CJ for Booker. At the same time, I'd be a little skeptical he'd alter Portland's trajectory to any significant level. Maybe, and the chance it would is worth the risk. And I think his trade value will only increase while CJ's won't

 

[Pinwheel1]

He’s terrible though.

Is it my imagination or has the word "terrible" evolved into a different meaning these days? It seems like now players are either great, good, or terrible. Is there anyone these days average or slightly below average? I have seen terrible before and even coming off his injury, Hood is not terrible.