2021 Trade Thread

[PtldPlatypus]

I feel like for this season alone, Dame, CJ, Trent, Little, Melo, RoCo, and Kanter are pieces you can count on to contribute most nights.

I similarly feel that if the remaining pieces could somehow be converted into a reliable backup PG and a big with perimeter skills, we'd have the pieces we need to make some noise in the playoffs.

 

[blazerkor]

I feel like for this season alone, Dame, CJ, Trent, Little, Melo, RoCo, and Kanter are pieces you can count on to contribute most nights.

I similarly feel that if the remaining pieces could somehow be converted into a reliable backup PG and a big with perimeter skills, we'd have the pieces we need to make some noise in the playoffs.

I think it's a huge oversight to leave DJ off of that list. His defense is fantastic (really disruptive) and he's shot 41% from three and 58% overall over the last ten games.

 

[Natebishop3]

Is it my imagination or has the word "terrible" evolved into a different meaning these days? It seems like now players are either great, good, or terrible. Is there anyone these days average or slightly below average? I have seen terrible before and even coming off his injury, Hood is not terrible.

The stats don't really back this up.

5 ppg off 37% shooting and 31% from three in 19 minutes per game.

Here are a few more interesting tidbits
He has a PER of 4.9
His TS% is 43.6
His WS is -0.5
His ORtg is 89
His DRtg is 119

Pretty much by any measurement he is playing horrible. If there are positives I'm really not seeing them. Before the injury he was a pretty decent player. It's possible he could get back to that, but right now he's a huge net negative.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The stats don't really back this up.

5 ppg off 37% shooting and 31% from three in 19 minutes per game.

Here are a few more interesting tidbits
He has a PER of 4.9
His TS% is 43.6
His WS is -0.5
His ORtg is 89
His DRtg is 119

Pretty much by any measurement he is playing horrible. If there are positives I'm really not seeing them. Before the injury he was a pretty decent player. It's possible he could get back to that, but right now he's a huge net negative.

Those are season averages, right? Is there no difference between his earlier and more recent performance?

 

[Natebishop3]

Those are season averages, right? Is there no difference between his earlier and more recent performance?

I can give you ESPN's last 10

 

[Pinwheel1]

Hood has had good games and bad games this season. Terrible players rarely have any good games IMO.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hood has had good games and bad games this season. Terrible players rarely have any good games IMO.

See, I would say that terrible players are the ones who have maybe several good games and then a bunch of shitty ones. Rodney has had three really good games this year out of 28 games.

21 points off 9-14 shooting in a loss to San Antonio.
15 points off 5-12 shooting and 3-6 from three against Washington.
16 points off 7-14 shooting and 2-2 from three against Philly.

But here's the key, in our four game losing streak he was basically worthless, outside of the Suns game.

 

[Pinwheel1]

See, I would say that terrible player are the ones who have maybe several good games and then a bunch of shitty ones. Rodney has had three really good games this year out of 28 games.

I would say terrible players are ones that should not be in the league.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would say terrible players are ones that should not be in the league.

I feel like we're getting caught up in the phrasing.

What would you call his play?
Bad?
Mediocre?
Unimpressive?
Disappointing?
Lackluster?
Uninspired?

I'll put it another way. Here is how he ranks on our team:
He is 5th in salary on our team.
He is 8th in games played.
He is 9th in minutes per game.

He's 11th in PPG
He's 13th in FG%
He's 10th in 3P%
He is 12th in total rebounds per game
He is 9th in assists per game
He is 13th in PER (ahead of only Blevins)
He is 13th in TS% (again, ahead of only Blevins)
He is 12th in TRB%
He is last in WS (guess who's in front of him)
He is 13th in BPM

How would you describe that kind of contribution from our 5th highest paid player?

 

[boredinsalem]

I feel like for this season alone, Dame, CJ, Trent, Little, Melo, RoCo, and Kanter are pieces you can count on to contribute most nights.

I similarly feel that if the remaining pieces could somehow be converted into a reliable backup PG and a big with perimeter skills, we'd have the pieces we need to make some noise in the playoffs.

If the Rockets and Knicks are serious about Oladipo a win-now and plan for the future move may be to try turn Trent, Hood, and Giles into Ntilitinka and Tucker. We'd certainly be buying low, but I think at minimum both of those guys could counteract some of the defensive issues of Lillard/CJ/Ant and Melo while adding floor spacing (Tucker - most years) and being able to run the second unit next to Ant (Ntilitinka).

 

[Pinwheel1]

I feel like we're getting caught up in the phrasing.

Yes, that was my original point. The word/phrase "terrible" is used too loosely for players these days. I can see saying someone played terrible in a game or even a stretch of games, but to say classify someone as a terrible player seems to be used too often as of late. (Certainly not just by you)

I also don't agree that someone's salary should be a factor in determining if a player is good or not. I understand that cap space is a factor in how we get better, but why we include it in almost every discussion seems irrelevant most of the time. Once our team is set for the season the players are either better or worse than the next guy on the bench. That is all that matters. Why get hung up on how much a player makes? Again I realize with a cap it is important....but I still think it is injected into the conversation way too often.

But to answer your question, I would classify him as mediocre and inconsistent right now. Like I said he has looked good and bad. To say he is terrible though seems like hyperbole to me. However, if I were Terry once CJ gets back, I would decrease Hood's minutes.

 

[BonesJones]

* Lavine yes, about the same, but I'd probably trade CJ for him because Lavine has a salary next year 11 million below CJ's; and he's 4 years younger

* Murray is about the same level and is another undersized tweener guard. He's 5 years younger than CJ, but like CJ, he has a bloated contract. It's even worse than CJ's. No...I wouldn't trade CJ for Murray. We know how he performs with Jokic, but that easily could mean he'd be less effective on other teams

* Booker is a little better than the other 3, IMO. He's 5 years younger than CJ and over the last 3 seasons, he's put up similar numbers to CJ's 12 game stretch to start the season.....meaning he's been quite a bit better than CJ. His contract is about the same as CJ's too. I'd likely trade CJ for Booker. At the same time, I'd be a little skeptical he'd alter Portland's trajectory to any significant level. Maybe, and the chance it would is worth the risk. And I think his trade value will only increase while CJ's won't

My point being: The market dictates what these guys are paid, and there's many cases of players like CJ getting similar contracts.

 

[wizenheimer]

My point being: The market dictates what these guys are paid, and there's many cases of players like CJ getting similar contracts.

ok..sure....no argument; Olshey is not the only GM who overpays talent

and MY point was that a team paying all-star money to non-all-star player will almost certainly not be a contender; especially when his skills are redundant with the best player.

 

[andalusian]

You've got Balls, the wrong ones!

Maybe he likes hairy Balls

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Tick Tock, Trade deadline is 3 weeks away.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

THIS
MUST
HAPPEN

 

[Scalma]

Spurs are listening on Aldridge. Could they buy him out? Either way, I’d be surprised if he wasn’t a blazer next year.

 

[craigehlo]

A bought out LMA or Blake Griffin (if Neil can leverage his relationship) would be great for this squad. I'd like to see the team rebounding stats go up, and either dude would likely help.

 

[wizenheimer]

A bought out LMA or Blake Griffin (if Neil can leverage his relationship) would be great for this squad. I'd like to see the team rebounding stats go up, and either dude would likely help.

2020-21 total rebounding rates:

Robert Covington 11.0%
Nasir Little 10.0%
Derrick Jones 9.4%
Blake Griffin 9.2%
Lamarcus Aldridge 9.0%

 

[illmatic99]

i wonder if our record makes Neil go all in at the deadline and trade some of our youngins. It's unfortunate we don't have any picks to dangle anymore. honestly feel like our record is inflated by Dame's greatness and a soft schedule. Our record against teams > .500 has been pretty miserable.

Hope Neil thinks this thru before throwing in guys in trades, while still not being too stingy. Think everyone is tradeable for the right guy.

 

[Scalma]

Simons + Hood’s contract. That’s the package to throw around. Find a point guard or a big.

 

[Scalma]

Simons and Hood for Delon Wright. That’s my fave one so far.

 

[twobullz]

How about Hood and DJJ to Sac for Harrison Barnes. Would give us a better offensive option at SF and would give them some salary cap relief after this season.

 

[illmatic99]

How about Hood and DJJ to Sac for Harrison Barnes. Would give us a better offensive option at SF and would give them some salary cap relief after this season.

Why do we need more offense?

 

[pougie]

How about Hood and DJJ to Sac for Harrison Barnes. Would give us a better offensive option at SF and would give them some salary cap relief after this season.

That’s...not happening. Although I agree, I wouldn’t mind seeing Barnes/Covington at the forward spots.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Timberwolves should do this after they trade Rubio to us. I think Brown is underrated and Towns is overrated.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Michael Carter-Williams and Aaron Gordon for Gary Trent Jr, Rodney Hood and Zach Collins works.

 

[GDiama]

ok..sure....no argument; Olshey is not the only GM who overpays talent

and MY point was that a team paying all-star money to non-all-star player will almost certainly not be a contender; especially when his skills are redundant with the best player.

I think Olshey had no reason to pay CJ so much. Look at VanVleet's contract for example. I think he is a better player, he is certainly not worse. He got a fair deal of 80/4y. Olshey is basically bidding against himself with all those bloated contracts. The guy gave Meyers 41M after a terrible season.

 

[LayneStaley]

Remember when some people thought we might have a shot at Lebron a few years ago

 

[Natebishop3]

Remember when some people thought we might have a shot at Lebron a few years ago

We have dibs on LeBron next. He will be 40 or whatever but if Jordan can do it, so can LeBron.