Game Thread 2022-23 Game #13 BLAZERS @ MAVERICKS - NOVEMBER 12, 2022 - SATURDAY - 5:30 PM (PDT) ROOT

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Freshtown said:
The wide open threes at the end that put this game away were concerning.

Was it just bad effort and laziness on our part? The wrong scheme? Or the wrong players to execute the scheme?

I feel like we’ve been getting lucky with a lot of open threes that have been missed against our zone the past few games and now I wonder if it’s balancing out.

A bit more concerning than “oh it’s just the end of a road trip, no big deal” imo.
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It seems to me that both Lillard and Simons cheat to the center too far and leave the corner three open often. Same thing CJ used to do.
 
OneSport3 said:
My question/concern is when fully healthy, will Chauncey have the guts to bench Dame and Ant for possessions when we absolutely need defensive stops. Would he be willing to put a lineup of Nurk/Grant/Hart/Winslow/GP2 for late game possessions?
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Maybe Anf, but still need a good ball handler to avoid turnovers.
 
this is what some of us were talking about just a few days ago. That being that close games in the last 3 minutes are most of the time decided by luck and breaks, not talent or scheme.

Dinwiddie is in his 9th season and is a career 32.9% shooter from three. Dorian Finney-Smith is in his 7th season and is a career 36% shooter from three. Yet they were 4-4 in a 1:40 span in the last 3 minutes. That's not scheme, that's just good fortune for the Mavs and bad fortune for the Blazers. It didn't help that Portland had 2 turnovers in that same stretch

Portland is now 5-2 in close games. A .714 close-game winning percentage is a great outcome and it's almost certain it won't remain that high. Phoenix was the only team that had as high a percentage last season

Blazers were 9th in close-game winning rate in 2017-18....7th in 2018-19....8th in 2019-20....4th in 2020-21...23rd last season. Strongly suggesting it's good to have a healthy Lillard when the Blazers are in a close game
 
What this game reinforced in me is that I really hate watching Luka play. Cries more than anyone else in the league and gets the homer treatment. Talented player, but why resort to that kind of trash play? It works I guess so I answered my own question. No sadness on the loss. Great road trip. Replace Nurk and his DNP's with a solid defensive center. Holmes for SAC has been basically removed from the rotation.
 
wizenheimer said:
this is what some of us were talking about just a few days ago. That being that close games in the last 3 minutes are most of the time decided by luck and breaks, not talent or scheme.

Dinwiddie is in his 9th season and is a career 32.9% shooter from three. Dorian Finney-Smith is in his 7th season and is a career 36% shooter from three. Yet they were 4-4 in a 1:40 span in the last 3 minutes. That's not scheme, that's just good fortune for the Mavs and bad fortune for the Blazers. It didn't help that Portland had 2 turnovers in that same stretch

Portland is now 5-2 in close games. A .714 close-game winning percentage is a great outcome and it's almost certain it won't remain that high. Phoenix was the only team that had as high a percentage last season

Blazers were 9th in close-game winning rate in 2017-18....7th in 2018-19....8th in 2019-20....4th in 2020-21...23rd last season. Strongly suggesting it's good to have a healthy Lillard when the Blazers are in a close game
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the thing you’re leaving out is that they were wide open shots. That’s not luck. If dinwiddie is wide open it’s not luck that he hits them. If they were contested and still went in, then your post makes sense.
 
lamlor said:
What this game reinforced in me is that I really hate watching Luka play. Cries more than anyone else in the league and gets the homer treatment. Talented player, but why resort to that kind of trash play? It works I guess so I answered my own question. No sadness on the loss. Great road trip. Replace Nurk and his DNP's with a solid defensive center. Holmes for SAC has been basically removed from the rotation.
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I agree with you on Luka.
As for Nurk's DNP, is he hurt or are they being overly cautious? Most of these guys all have minor injuries so I would not trade him
just yet. Not for someone who getting beat out for minutes by Metu.
 
Freshtown said:
the thing you’re leaving out is that they were wide open shots. That’s not luck. If dinwiddie is wide open it’s not luck that he hits them. If they were contested and still went in, then your post makes sense.
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my post makes great sense (and who better to objectively gauge my logic than...me) because players don't shoot 100%, all the time, on any shot, no matter how wide open they are

on three's, with the closest defender more than 6' away, Dinwiddie's average this season is 50%. Finney-Smith's average is 36.4%. Last season, Dinwiddie shot 39.3% on wide open three's; DFS shot 41%. Yeah, it would have been better with tight defense, but just like players can't shoot 100%, defenses can't tightly cover everybody

besides that, it's inaccurate saying Dinwiddie was wide open on all of those three's...he wasn't. One, yes, but Simons and Dame were within 4' on two of his shots:



last season, Dinwiddie shot 26.6% on contested three's (defender within 2-4'). This season he's at 38%.

so, by averages, Dallas should have hit less than 2 or those 4 three's. So yeah, they benefited from some close game luck, just like the Blazers have
 
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lamlor said:
What this game reinforced in me is that I really hate watching Luka play. Cries more than anyone else in the league and gets the homer treatment. Talented player, but why resort to that kind of trash play? It works I guess so I answered my own question. No sadness on the loss. Great road trip. Replace Nurk and his DNP's with a solid defensive center. Holmes for SAC has been basically removed from the rotation.
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That one foul on Eubanks was absolutely ridiculous. The ref should be ashamed of that one.
 
Didnt see the game, but I was surprised Hart played 36m and went 0 fer.
Why didnt Sharpe or Naz get extra minutes since Hart couldn't make a hoop?
 
Hoopguru said:
Didnt see the game, but I was surprised Hart played 36m and went 0 fer.
Why didnt Sharpe or Naz get extra minutes since Hart couldn't make a hoop?
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When do you make that call to take him out? When the Blazers were up? or in the last 2 1/2 minutes when they were down? Not sure I would put a cold player into the game at that point.

Yeah his shooting needs to improve, but he does do other things for the team......like defense and rebounding (He was the team leader in rebounding last night) There were only 3 players that did not have a negative +/- and he was one of them. Not saying that Chauncey cares about that stat, nor should he, but the team generally plays better when he is on the floor. Hopefully, he can get his shot back during the home stand.
 
AmirIcon said:
He's been really good most of the season and he has so much room to get better. Going after him and questioning his role after losing without arguably our three best defenders.

We're a much better team. While I'm frustrated that we lost, every indicator from today's game tells me we're much better.
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Like I said before, as of now he's panning out to be a poor man's version of Dame. He settles for too many low percentage threes, can be a bit of a black hole on offense and is absolutely loathsome on defense. He has a role for sure, but I've been under the impression that we are trying to raise him up as the future star of this team. If that's the case then he needs to change his mindset and work on some of these glaring weaknesses in his game. Not hating, just an observation.
 
MadeFromDust said:
Like I said before, as of now he's panning out to be a poor man's version of Dame. He settles for too many low percentage threes, can be a bit of a black hole on offense and is absolutely loathsome on defense. He has a role for sure, but I've been under the impression that we are trying to raise him up as the future star of this team. If that's the case then he needs to change his mindset and work on some of these glaring weaknesses in his game. Not hating, just an observation.
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some of that may be accurate. Hard to say really because this is his first time as the starter on a good team

I do know though that all the off-season chatter around here about trading Dame and building around Simons was ludicrous
 
julius said:
I love how after losses, that people here don't overreact and throw players under the bus.
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The only ones who overreact and throw our players under the bus are the ones that think we should win EVERY game. It’s always been like that my man. Nothing new.
 
MadeFromDust said:
Like I said before, as of now he's panning out to be a poor man's version of Dame. He settles for too many low percentage threes, can be a bit of a black hole on offense and is absolutely loathsome on defense. He has a role for sure, but I've been under the impression that we are trying to raise him up as the future star of this team. If that's the case then he needs to change his mindset and work on some of these glaring weaknesses in his game. Not hating, just an observation.
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All good shooters are a "bit of a black hole on offense" at times. There are certain times I prefer it because they can catch fire in a hurry. I am guessing that there will be times when he is playing with GP2, Sharpe (or Nas) Winslow, and Eubanks (or Watford) and in that scenario, he (and Sharpe) will need to take the majority of the shots.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
All good shooters are a "bit of a black hole on offense" at times. There are certain times I prefer it because they can catch fire in a hurry. I am guessing that there will be times when he is playing with GP2, Sharpe (or Nas) Winslow, and Eubanks (or Watford) and in that scenario, he (and Sharpe) will need to take the majority of the shots.
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I'm not saying he can't or shouldn't play a key role on offense moving forward, I'm just not convinced as of now that he's "The Guy" for this team like a lot of people have been calling him in recent years. If he doesn't turn out to be at least as good as Dame is he really someone you want to build your team around long-term?
 
blazerfan11 said:
That one foul on Eubanks was absolutely ridiculous. The ref should be ashamed of that one.
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100% agree. Is there any accountability with refs? I wish they would have challenged that. You can't let them get away with such horsesh*t.
 
MadeFromDust said:
I'm not saying he can't or shouldn't play a key role on offense moving forward, I'm just not convinced as of now that he's "The Guy" for this team like a lot of people have been calling him in recent years. If he doesn't turn out to be at least as good as Dame is he really someone you want to build your team around long-term?
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He is not Dame. But I don't think people have said we need to build around him, it was more that he is just one young piece of the puzzle. IMO you really need to be an elite superstar for any team to build around them. Most teams don't have that type of guy, so it makes sense to have multiple borderline all-stars.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
He is not Dame. But I don't think people have said we need to build around him, it was more that he is just one young piece of the puzzle. IMO you really need to be an elite superstar for any team to build around them. Most teams don't have that type of guy, so it makes sense to have multiple borderline all-stars.
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IMO Simons will turn out to be a CJ McCollum level player who is a perennial borderline level all-star type of player, in which there certainly is no shame in that. But he definitely should be no more than a 2nd or 3rd option on a really good team. The only player on the roster as of now that I think can be better than him is Sharpe and that's probably a bit of a longshot, but the potential is there.

I'd love to be wrong and see Ant take bigger strides though.
 
MadeFromDust said:
IMO Simons will turn out to be a CJ McCollum level player who is a perennial borderline level all-star type of player, in which there certainly is no shame in that. But he definitely should be no more than a 2nd or 3rd option on a really good team. The only player on the roster as of now that I think can be better than him is Sharpe and that's probably a bit of a longshot, but the potential is there.

I'd love to be wrong and see Ant take bigger strides though.
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Agree. He does need to be the 2nd or 3rd option. I think everyone agrees with that. But I am guessing most do not see Sharpe as a long shot to be the guy in 3 years. I think it is more of a slam dunk. (assuming he stays healthy)
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Agree. He does need to be the 2nd or 3rd option. I think everyone agrees with that. But I am guessing most do not see Sharpe as a long shot to be the guy in 3 years. I think it is more of a slam dunk. (assuming he stays healthy)
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I agree on Sharpe however I've been learning to keep my expectations in check for younger players. I can't count how many times over the years a guy comes into the league and has all the tools to be a top 5 player but ends up amounting to very little. It takes a lot to be a star in this league. Let's hope that Shaedon is on his way.
 
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