Game Thread 2022-23 Game #40 - BLAZERS VS MAGIC - JANUARY 10, 2023 - TUESDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT)

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I don't have a direct quote, but if he's keeping Dame no matter what, wouldn't he be (by definition) a bad GM if he's not trying to win games and contend?

The key to what he's said, in my estimation, is less that he'd promise (or not) results, but that all his efforts would be centered around Dame.

Well... Last year he didn't try to win games, but yes overall, GM's typically try to win games and contend. And I would say that Cronin is more likely to have a roster that wins games with Dame.

Do we know what ownership and the business side think about trading Dame? Cronin has to answer to them as well.
 
Against those two teams after what we just saw... I don't even know what to think. Of course if we're hitting our shots, not making lazy shots and keeping our defensive intensity up without fouling too much... we can beat anyone even though our roster equals less than the sum of its parts.
 
how many FT’s did he make during the Magic’s 15-0 run to start the 3rd quarter. So much to gripe about kinda we’re to focus on a 70% FT shooter making all 4 of his FT’s

I'm not sure anyone is focused on it. I made a comment about it, that's it.

I also made a handful of other points about moments in the game that I wasn't "focused" on or blamed for being the cause of the Blazers lost.
 
I think Dame is still tradeable if the team wants to move towards youth. If you're going in that direction it would be smart to package him with GP2 or really shop GP2 in another deal.

I doubt that's the direction we're going to head in but Dame and Ant are about as complementary as Dame and CJ were so they can't stay together. I think Nurk could still be very useful in the league and is on a contract that reflects his value but Chauncey has him defending in space, that just doesn't work. He's either ineffective or in foul trouble.
I don't think Dame has that much trade value now, given he's owed like a quarter of a billion bucks. That doesn't mean he can't be traded (we all know corpses like John Wall can be traded while making almost as much! :) ) but that I don't know how Portland gets better by trading Dame.

I agree that Dame and Simons aren't a good fit in the back court. Unfortunately Cronin gave them both big money in the offseason and I don't know how we get out of it with so many years and salary left on their deals (without dumping them, which makes our team worse without getting much future value other than a slightly better draft pick).

As for Payton... I don't think he has any trade value at all. Portland overpaid for him in the offseason, for some reason, and Payton is demonstrating the reasons he was almost out of the NBA recently.
 
I think Dame is still tradeable if the team wants to move towards youth. If you're going in that direction it would be smart to package him with GP2 or really shop GP2 in another deal.

I doubt that's the direction we're going to head in but Dame and Ant are about as complementary as Dame and CJ were so they can't stay together. I think Nurk could still be very useful in the league and is on a contract that reflects his value but Chauncey has him defending in space, that just doesn't work. He's either ineffective or in foul trouble.

I don't think anything has changed...Portland won't trade Dame unless he asks to be traded. And if that happens that extension Portland gave him will drag down his value. There won't be any godfather package traded for Dame. Likely some bad players on big contract and a couple of middling draft picks

can't happen till this summer anyway

and it may becoming apparent that Simons isn't a player you build around, any more than CJ would have been
 
I don't think Dame has that much trade value now, given he's owed like a quarter of a billion bucks. That doesn't mean he can't be traded (we all know corpses like John Wall can be traded while making almost as much! :) ) but that I don't know how Portland gets better by trading Dame.

I agree that Dame and Simons aren't a good fit in the back court. Unfortunately Cronin gave them both big money in the offseason and I don't know how we get out of it with so many years and salary left on their deals (without dumping them, which makes our team worse without getting much future value other than a slightly better draft pick).

As for Payton... I don't think he has any trade value at all. Portland overpaid for him in the offseason, for some reason, and Payton is demonstrating the reasons he was almost out of the NBA recently.
I think Ant has real trade value. He has upside and his contract isn't even bad given his current production. Don't get me wrong if it was a few million less a year it would be a great contract but it's not too bad that we can't get productive pieces in return for him in a trade.
 
Well... Last year he didn't try to win games, but yes overall, GM's typically try to win games and contend. And I would say that Cronin is more likely to have a roster that wins games with Dame.

Do we know what ownership and the business side think about trading Dame? Cronin has to answer to them as well.
That is absolutely true. His job might be to keep fans engaged and to put people in the seats. Dame is a fantastic player and (rightly!) beloved by Portland fans. So he might be doing his job.

But I don't want to think that the franchise would rather win PR battles than win playoff games, so I'm working and commenting on the assumption that if Cronin doesn't build a winner he'll get fired (like every other GM in the NBA and major pro sports).

Of course, I would have assumed Portland would have interviewed GM candidates, rather than handing Cronin the job without any track record of success (or being part of a successful franchise), and management proved me wrong there, so who knows? Haha
 
I don't think anything has changed...Portland won't trade Dame unless he asks to be traded. And if that happens that extension Portland gave him will drag down his value. There won't be any godfather package traded for Dame. Likely some bad players on big contract and a couple of middling draft picks

can't happen till this summer anyway
I thought he could be traded six months after his extension which was just passed on the 5th of this month.

It doesn't matter though because you are right, he's not going anywhere but I do think that Cronin will make moves to try and make this roster more balanced. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
Cronin hasn’t done anything to prove he’s any better

I'm willing to give Cronin more than 1.5 season (as I did for Olshey). My concern with the Cronin hire when it happened was that ownership didn't appear to even have a GM search and simply promoted from within on the cheap. At that moment, I set my expectations accordingly.
 
I don't think Dame has that much trade value now, given he's owed like a quarter of a billion bucks. That doesn't mean he can't be traded (we all know corpses like John Wall can be traded while making almost as much! :) ) but that I don't know how Portland gets better by trading Dame.

I agree that Dame and Simons aren't a good fit in the back court. Unfortunately Cronin gave them both big money in the offseason and I don't know how we get out of it with so many years and salary left on their deals (without dumping them, which makes our team worse without getting much future value other than a slightly better draft pick).

As for Payton... I don't think he has any trade value at all. Portland overpaid for him in the offseason, for some reason, and Payton is demonstrating the reasons he was almost out of the NBA recently.

Resigning Simons was still a good idea even if the fit is bad with Dame. He has positive trade value, so you can get something decent for him vs nothing if we didn’t resign him.
 
This team is an embarrassment.
 
That is absolutely true. His job might be to keep fans engaged and to put people in the seats. Dame is a fantastic player and (rightly!) beloved by Portland fans. So he might be doing his job.

But I don't want to think that the franchise would rather win PR battles than win playoff games, so I'm working and commenting on the assumption that if Cronin doesn't build a winner he'll get fired (like every other GM in the NBA and major pro sports).

Of course, I would have assumed Portland would have interviewed GM candidates, rather than handing Cronin the job without any track record of success (or being part of a successful franchise), and management proved me wrong there, so who knows? Haha

Bingo! I just had a post about the Cronin hire right before I read this; and it wasn't trashing him, instead it was questioning the greater motivations of the organizations.
 
I think Ant has real trade value. He has upside and his contract isn't even bad given his current production. Don't get me wrong if it was a few million less a year it would be a great contract but it's not too bad that we can't get productive pieces in return for him in a trade.
He might. I don't claim to have any inside information.

But I didn't see (or, rather, read about :) ) teams lining up to give him $25m/year this past offseason, and I don't know what's happened since then that would encourage a team to give up value to get him at that salary.
 
That's a fucking cop out. Teams are going to know we're desperate now.
I'm not saying he'll make good trades. I have no fucking clue what he'll do but he's got to see that what he has right now isn't working. So I think he'll do something and it won't be small.
 
I don't understand. What do you have to lose. A challenge you don't use?

The ability to challenge later in the game where the result is likely to have an expected outcome around 0.55 points.

My theory is you're looking to use your challenge where it is likely to have an expected outcome at or above 1.5 points. Certainly over 1 point, unless it's very late in the game.
 
there are teams with real stars (banchero) and then there are teams with washed stars (dame)

orlando w by 7

If you're not happy with the team and only care to hate on the players, why watch anymore?
 
We’ll see if Joe really does have the nickname “Trader Joe” by the trade deadline.
 
He might. I don't claim to have any inside information.

But I didn't see (or, rather, read about :) ) teams lining up to give him $25m/year this past offseason, and I don't know what's happened since then that would encourage a team to give up value to get him at that salary.

We are good at bidding against ourselves. Or actually, we're bad it.
 

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