Game Thread 2022-23 Game #49 - BLAZERS VS RAPTORS - JANUARY 28, 2023 - SATURDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT) ROOT

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Keep Dame and Jerami and get rid of everyone else.
 
Propagandist said:
I think I’m ready to make some serious changes.
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Yeah, it's time to throw caution to the wind and take some big fucking swings to make this roster make sense. Otherwise what is this team doing? If you want to develop young talent then trade away every piece of developed talent you have and trade Dame in July but if you want to win with Dame... make some big fucking moves, roll the dice and see what comes up.
 
Tince said:
This is the correct answer. Has been the correct answer for all our rosters over the last 8+ years.
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Portland hasn't been close to being a contender since the Pippen/Rasheed team choked away the 4th Q in LA 23 years ago
 
Tince said:
Realistically, what can he do? He wasn't dealt the greatest hand.
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At the same time I think he couldn’t gained more assets than what he got in the trades he made.

We’re a small market. This is chess not checkers when you’re in that position.
 
wizenheimer said:
Portland hasn't been close to being a contender since the Pippen/Rasheed team choked away the 4th Q in LA 23 years ago
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I agree... The Roy/LMA/Oden roster was good enough to turn into one, but we know what happened there. The Dame/Wes/Batum/LMA team was probably good enough to make the WCF.
 
MickZagger said:
Yet, Anounoby would’ve most likely had more of an impact on the game than both of them combined.
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I disagree and that's why this Toronto team is less than the sum of their parts. OG is redundant with some of the guys they had playing tonight. Nurk is one of one on our roster and while he isn't a fit in Chauncey's system, he's our only actual big. Hart may not have made a huge difference but Nurk would have been a big difference from what we had tonight.
 
What a great effort. Maybe next time don't drink all that cough syrup before tip off.
They never look fired up at the start of a game, or like there is any kind of game plan.
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MickZagger said:
At the same time I think he couldn’t gained more assets than what he got in the trades he made.

We’re a small market. This is chess not checkers when you’re in that position.
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One can always say that we could've got more, but I suppose we also have as much proof of that as we do that he made the very best deal possible.

Last years trades seemed more than reasonable to me. The summer signings didn't blow my skirt up, but maybe Payton was the best player willing to sign with us.
 
blazerkor said:
I disagree and that's why this Toronto team is less than the sum of their parts. OG is redundant with some of the guys they had playing tonight. Nurk is one of one on our roster and while he isn't a fit in Chauncey's system, he's our only actual big. Hart may not have made a huge difference but Nurk would have been a big difference from what we had tonight.
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OG is one of the top 3 best defenders in the league and can guard 1-5. He would’ve been glued all over someone being a huge headache
 
DDolla said:
I would take Vanfleet over Simons
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You would take a 28 year old who is only showing what he's showing with all of the talent around him that he has over a 23 year old being made to play out of position but still putting up better stats?!? Come on. FVV would be a disaster next to Dame that is worse than the disaster that Ant is when playing with Dame.
 
When a team occasionally comes out flat and not ready to play, that’s on the players.

When it continually happens and starts to become a pattern, that’s on the coaching.

When it continues to persist without any change at all, that’s on the players again because they’ve either tuned out the coach or simply not listening.

We are at stage 2 right now.
 
Tince said:
One can always say that we could've got more, but I suppose we also have as much proof of that as we do that he made the very best deal possible.

Last years trades seemed more than reasonable to me. The summer signings didn't blow my skirt up, but maybe Payton was the best player willing to sign with us.
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We sent out easily the best players in both deals and really got no draft capital or worthwhile prospects. That’s your opinion. But my opinion is that both trades were failures. Then we lost our cap flexibility by signing Payton
 
Bingo Bango said:
Fool’s Gold. We’re not getting Wemby.
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We're not close enough to being bad enough to get a bottom four record and then still it's like a 1 in 6 shot. Wanting to tank for Wemby when you have Dame on the team should make you re-evaluate how you critically think. Good luck.
 
Tince said:
Half of Canada is at Moda tonight.
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At one point fans from B.C. used to have two teams they could easily see live. As you guys know it's not just fans from Washington State who lost the Sonics, plus getting to see whatever visiting team they liked.
 
blazerkor said:
We're not close enough to being bad enough to get a bottom four record and then still it's like a 1 in 6 shot. Wanting to tank for Wemby when you have Dame on the team should make you re-evaluate how you critically think. Good luck.
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The gaining of an asset like a lottery pick when we’re going to be butt shitty regardless means more.

I want Joe to make a splashy difference making trade badly. I’m just not holding my breathe.
 
MickZagger said:
OG is one of the top 3 best defenders in the league and can guard 1-5. He would’ve been glued all over someone being a huge headache
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Nurk would have been the only legit C to play on the floor tonight and although the system that Chauncey runs doesn't play to his strengths that would have been a bigger difference maker tonight. Josh Hart would have been one more player in between us and playing Trendon Watford starters minutes. I don't give a fuck because being able to beat the Raptors doesn't mean shit but we were at the bigger disadvantage tonight because when healthy they are deeper than us and when we are playing without two starters it's a fucking joke.
 
blazerkor said:
We're not close enough to being bad enough to get a bottom four record and then still it's like a 1 in 6 shot. Wanting to tank for Wemby when you have Dame on the team should make you re-evaluate how you critically think. Good luck.
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Don’t need bottom 4 record. Just the worse record we can get. With Wemby, Dame would have a better shot at the title. You gotta be in it to win it. Dame needs to sit. We played 50ish games and we’re not good enough to make the play-in so if we’re gonna be bad, let’s get worse. Guys, Wemby is this good.
 
blazerkor said:
If you want to win with Dame... make some big fucking moves, roll the dice and see what comes up.
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Yep, it sure wouldn’t hurt to try. The problem is Portland can never acquire star players. We’re like the dog under the table waiting for the scraps to fall. And you can’t win a championship, or even compete for one, when you’re playing with scraps.
 
blazerkor said:
Nurk would have been the only legit C to play on the floor tonight and although the system that Chauncey runs doesn't play to his strengths that would have been a bigger difference maker tonight. Josh Hart would have been one more player in between us and playing Trendon Watford starters minutes. I don't give a fuck because being able to beat the Raptors doesn't mean shit but we were at the bigger disadvantage tonight because when healthy they are deeper than us and when we are playing without two starters it's a fucking joke.
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It just doesn’t matter that Hart and Nurk were out. Gotta win anyway.
 
MickZagger said:
The gaining of an asset like a lottery pick when we’re going to be butt shitty regardless means more.

I want Joe to make a splashy difference making trade badly. I’m just not holding my breathe.
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First of all even with tonight's loss we are still only 3.5 games out of HCA. Secondly, don't hold your breath. I don't have a large enough sample size from Cronin to know what he'll do... but he sure did something last year around this time. What we would get in the lotto would not help our quest to win a championship with Dame as much as good trades would. I understand being discouraged at this point but if we are trying to win one with Dame, we should try to do it right now and every day for the next few years. If not, trade Mr. Blazer in the off season.
 
KingSpeed said:
Don’t need bottom 4 record. Just the worse record we can get. With Wemby, Dame would have a better shot at the title. You gotta be in it to win it. Dame needs to sit. We played 50ish games and we’re not good enough to make the play-in so if we’re gonna be bad, let’s get worse. Guys, Wemby is this good.
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Scoot Henderson is too. Insanely good young guard
 
KingSpeed said:
It just doesn’t matter that Hart and Nurk were out. Gotta win anyway.
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We are a team that isn't good enough with Hart and Nurk, to say that we "Gotta win anyway" without them is all well and good, we did have our moments but moves have to be made for this team to win consistently when all of our rotational players are playing. Obviously when two of our starters are out it's going to be harder. So I wish we would have sustained one of those runs and won tonight but realistically our team is only slightly better than what Toronto is running out there regardless of health and tonight we were both less healthy and less effective.
 
I don't know if people are blind but we are not putting Ant and Dame on forwards on purpose. The problem is our stupid scheme that switches every pick and roll involving a guard for whatever god forsaken reason. Probably because Chauncey doesn't trust Ant/Dame to reasonably fight through a screen (ok valid), or doesn't trust our backline rotations to help if someone gets a lane to the basket. Once Toronto got a mismatch it was over because we either help and they get a easy dunk, or if they miss, everyone is out of position and our 6'5 and under crew is fighting for rebounds against Toronto's all 6'8 + lineup. Chauncey even has Gary switching all cross screens, which is like....isn't that why we got him in the first place? To be able to guard pick and rolls?

But even still, I don't know how many more years Portland has to prove to itself that the double undersized starting backcourt is a good idea. This is just madness.
 
blazerkor said:
First of all even with tonight's loss we are still only 3.5 games out of HCA. Secondly, don't hold your breath. I don't have a large enough sample size from Cronin to know what he'll do... but he sure did something last year around this time. What we would get in the lotto would not help our quest to win a championship with Dame as much as good trades would. I understand being discouraged at this point but if we are trying to win one with Dame, we should try to do it right now and every day for the next few years. If not, trade Mr. Blazer in the off season.
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I don’t care how close we are to a good seed. I’ve seen enough of this team to realize we aren’t going anywhere and the best case scenario is getting bounced by a better constructed team in a play-in game.

I’m not trying to be a turd to you. I just think this is an awfully constructed roster, torn between win now and build for the future and not enough assets to lure any kind of meaningful trade.
 
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