Game Thread 2023-24 PRESEASON - BLAZERS @ SUNS - OCTOBER 16, 2023 - MONDAY - 7:00 PM NBA TV, KPTV

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OneSport3 said:
What do people think about Scoot’s athleticism? There’s a lot that’s been said about how fast he is. To me his speed and athleticism seems to be a half step slower than guys like Ja, Rose and Westbrook.
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Nobody ever said he was in that league, did they? Because you couldn't watch his G-League games and think that.
 
THE HCP said:
Somebody on here said they can’t believe tonight’s game looked like a summer league game…… bro this ENTIRE season will be a giant summer league game.
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That's not fair. It's only going to be like that after we trade Brogdon and Grant.
 
Idog1976 said:
People said he was a combination of Westbrook and Rose so yeah.
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Yeah, some were definitely making that claim, although I definitely recall many people pre-draft pointing out that his athleticism was a bit overstated, and that the Thompsons were on another tier above him. Anyone who was expecting Russ 2.0 was setting themselves up for disappointment.
 
Hoopguru said:
Season? more like next 2-4 years.
If the vets we have can play well then maybe the youngsters can make it exciting.
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I know the prevailing wisdom is all "develop the rookies", but I really do wish we could see how the vet lineup would perform. I think Brogdon and Ant would complement each other nicely.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Yeah, some were definitely making that claim, although I definitely recall many people pre-draft pointing out that his athleticism was a bit overstated, and that the Thompsons were on another tier above him. Anyone who was expecting Russ 2.0 was setting themselves up for disappointment.
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young Westbrook is a bad comp for just about everybody, except for maybe Morant. His athleticism was thru the roof. He's the Harley Davidson of athleticism and the moped of BBIQ

young Derrick Rose may be a closer comp in playing style, but again, that guy was a phenomenal athlete before the injuries. Rose averaged 17-6-4 as a 20 year old rookie with a 16.0 PER and a pretty anemic TS% of .516, and a decent assist/turnover ratio of 2.52

I think that Scoot can match that kind of production and could actually might beat that efficiency
 
wizenheimer said:
Harley Davidson of athleticism and the moped of BBIQ
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Harley Davidson of athleticism? The average Royal Enfield feels more athletic than the average Harley Davidson. Harley Davidson is so un-athletic that Harley Davidson had to buy and market a new brand (Buell) because no-one associates Harley Davidson with athletic endeavors.

Associating mopeds with low IQ is another questionable simile - a moped is the exact kind of thing you want in tight urban environment which is what they were designed for.

You just called a young Russel Westrbrook a fat, unathletic, image only smart basketball player.

... and now back to your regular programming.
 
andalusian said:
Harley Davidson of athleticism? The average Royal Enfield feels more athletic than the average Harley Davidson. Harley Davidson is so un-athletic that Harley Davidson had to buy and market a new brand (Buell) because no-one associates Harley Davidson with athletic endeavors.

Associating mopeds with low IQ is another questionable simile - a moped is the exact kind of thing you want in tight urban environment which is what they were designed for.

You just called a young Russel Westrbrook a fat, unathletic, image only smart basketball player.

... and now back to your regular programming.
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geeeeezuzzz....that'll be the last time I use any motorized bike reference

by the way, at the risk of another spanking, I think they were metaphors, not similes.....:)
 
wizenheimer said:
geeeeezuzzz....that'll be the last time I use any motorized bike reference

by the way, at the risk of another spanking, I think they were metaphors, not similes.....:)
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Sir, I know that this is an internet forum and things can veer on the personal opinion side and are not necessarily fact based, but we have to have a common baseline to communicate on and HD as a symbol of athleticism is a line too far.

As for Mr. language person - the internets have provided the following -
"The difference is that similes make the comparison by saying that something is like something else but metaphors make the comparison by saying that something is something else. A simile says that one thing "is like" or "is as … as" another thing. A metaphor says that one thing "is" another thing."

With that, I believe my word choice was correct, but I am going to suspect someone better versed in English lexicography might offer a differing opinion.
 
andalusian said:
Sir, I know that this is an internet forum and things can veer on the personal opinion side and are not necessarily fact based, but we have to have a common baseline to communicate on and HD as a symbol of athleticism is a line too far.

As for Mr. language person - the internets have provided the following -
"The difference is that similes make the comparison by saying that something is like something else but metaphors make the comparison by saying that somethin g is something else. A simile says that one thing "is like" or "is as … as" another thing. A metaphor says that one thing "is" another thing."

With that, I believe my word choice was correct, but I am going to suspect someone better versed in English lexicography might offer a differing opinion.
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On my way to the Blazers sports forum I took a wrong turn and accidentally ended up in an English lexicography forum instead.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Murray, sure, but why so down on Rupert? Not ready to contribute yet, but the upside is definitely there.
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Murray will have a longer NBA career than Rupert, IMO.

riverman said:
Murray has 6pts 2 boards 2 assists 2 blocks 1 steal and importantly ..0 fouls in 19 minutes...consumate role player..he's never going to be flashy but he'll make progress like Walker has...
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Get outta here with that logic shit....

TheGoldRanger said:
Considering Simons, Brogdon, Grant, Ayton, Tisse, and Timelord didn’t play, the youngins had several turnovers, and the Blazers weren’t getting their fair share of foul calls… I don’t think they did too bad last night.
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Right? I mean, blame the coaching all we want for the choices of who was in last night, but to nit pick about how they looked in the face of the Suns starters...is frikin idiotic. Personally, I liked what CB did. I don't give a rats ass about winning that game. (Just don't try to make Scoot play Ralph Miller 1/2 court BB, please...). I want to see level 2 and level three guys up against serious real NBA competition, and how they respond. It was obvious to me that Sharpe can handle it. We already know that Simons and Ayton can handle it. Scoot is just a kid, and I would have been amazed if he was showing he is ready. At LEAST a year. When he turns on the jets, he's almost as quick to the basket as Dame was. Give him time. Walker has earned his spot (early sub?) through effort. Just don't let him try to dribble behind his back. Reath could get the 3 spot. Duop, duop, duop! He's a 50's music style!

Like someone said, Knox on the move is really hard to defend. He's long with the ball. Mays is fine as a backup, not sure why everyone is so down on him. Love Minaya's effort. Hard to dismiss Brown's size as a #3 big. Will Butler ever develop? Does he have the girth to stall bigs in the paint?
 
BassPlaya said:
Murray will have a longer NBA career than Rupert, IMO.


Get outta here with that logic shit....



Right? I mean, blame the coaching all we want for the choices of who was in last night, but to nit pick about how they looked in the face of the Suns starters...is frikin idiotic. Personally, I liked what CB did. I don't give a rats ass about winning that game. (Just don't try to make Scoot play Ralph Miller 1/2 court BB, please...). I want to see level 2 and level three guys up against serious real NBA competition, and how they respond. It was obvious to me that Sharpe can handle it. We already know that Simons and Ayton can handle it. Scoot is just a kid, and I would have been amazed if he was showing he is ready. At LEAST a year. When he turns on the jets, he's almost as quick to the basket as Dame was. Give him time. Walker has earned his spot (early sub?) through effort. Just don't let him try to dribble behind his back. Reath could get the 3 spot. Duop, duop, duop! He's a 50's music style!

Like someone said, Knox on the move is really hard to defend. He's long with the ball. Mays is fine as a backup, not sure why everyone is so down on him. Love Minaya's effort. Hard to dismiss Brown's size as a #3 big. Will Butler ever develop? Does he have the girth to stall bigs in the paint?
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As point guards, Mays and Scoot look much better playing with guys they have played with for a while. Last night, Mays looked bad until Knox, a guy he has played with before, came in the game and they combined for some easy buckets.
That will take some time with all the point guards.
 
BassPlaya said:
Murray will have a longer NBA career than Rupert, IMO.


Get outta here with that logic shit....



Right? I mean, blame the coaching all we want for the choices of who was in last night, but to nit pick about how they looked in the face of the Suns starters...is frikin idiotic. Personally, I liked what CB did. I don't give a rats ass about winning that game. (Just don't try to make Scoot play Ralph Miller 1/2 court BB, please...). I want to see level 2 and level three guys up against serious real NBA competition, and how they respond. It was obvious to me that Sharpe can handle it. We already know that Simons and Ayton can handle it. Scoot is just a kid, and I would have been amazed if he was showing he is ready. At LEAST a year. When he turns on the jets, he's almost as quick to the basket as Dame was. Give him time. Walker has earned his spot (early sub?) through effort. Just don't let him try to dribble behind his back. Reath could get the 3 spot. Duop, duop, duop! He's a 50's music style!

Like someone said, Knox on the move is really hard to defend. He's long with the ball. Mays is fine as a backup, not sure why everyone is so down on him. Love Minaya's effort. Hard to dismiss Brown's size as a #3 big. Will Butler ever develop? Does he have the girth to stall bigs in the paint?
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Yes, Knox is great as a cutter and can get hot from 3-point range.
He's kind of like Ben McLemore from a couple seasons ago. You can't rely on him to be consistent, but as a bench player he can contribute.
 
TheGoldRanger said:
Considering Simons, Brogdon, Grant, Ayton, Tisse, and Timelord didn’t play, the youngins had several turnovers, and the Blazers weren’t getting their fair share of foul calls… I don’t think they did too bad last night.
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I think Chauncey is holding his cards close to the vest so the Blazers have a chance to surprise some teams when the season starts.
They sure did do that last season in the first 20 games.
Which this season has been described as a "gauntlet." (The first 20 games.)
 
blazerfan11 said:
I think Chauncey is holding his cards close to the vest so the Blazers have a chance to surprise some teams when the season starts.
They sure did do that last season in the first 20 games.
Which this season has been described as a "gauntlet." (The first 20 games.)
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Let's just hope Chauncey has cards and is not going to throw a rook, 2 pawns, a bishop and a D&D icosahedron (a little something something for the nerds in the audience).
 
andalusian said:
Let's just hope Chauncey has cards and is not going to throw a rook, 2 pawns, a bishop and a D&D icosahedron (a little something something for the nerds in the audience).
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Yes, he has cards named Ayton, Grant, Simons, Brogdon, Williams, and a lesser card named Thybulle. That's a whole starting lineup with one reserve center, none of whom played in the last preseason game.

Other than Sharpe, those are the best 6 players on the roster at this point.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Yeah, some were definitely making that claim, although I definitely recall many people pre-draft pointing out that his athleticism was a bit overstated, and that the Thompsons were on another tier above him. Anyone who was expecting Russ 2.0 was setting themselves up for disappointment.
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I'd of been disappointed if we had russ 2.0. Dude sucks.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Yeah, some were definitely making that claim, although I definitely recall many people pre-draft pointing out that his athleticism was a bit overstated, and that the Thompsons were on another tier above him. Anyone who was expecting Russ 2.0 was setting themselves up for disappointment.
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I also think people mentioned his change of speed, which is a hell of a lot more important than just one really fast one. Especially as he gets older and loses that top-end speed due to age and injuries. He had a bad game for sure last night. I expect to see a lot of inconsistencies while he is learning. But so far I like that he is not forcing things.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I also think people mentioned his change of speed, which is a hell of a lot more important than just one really fast one. Especially as he gets older and loses that top-end speed due to age and injuries. He had a bad game for sure last night. I expect to see a lot of inconsistencies while he is learning. But so far I like that he is not forcing things.
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His teammates need to understand how to move to a correct passing angle.
Last night's pass to no-one was exactly where a player should have been (can't remember who it was that didn't move down the 3-point line.)
 
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